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"So what's Obama going to do about that mega asteroid heading for Earth after he has destroyed all the world's nuclear weapons? Hmm. Gotta think these things through."

Don't forget the space aliens. If we get rid of our nuclear weapons, what are we going to use against them when they invade?

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"We do need to hear this from those in power."

Agreed. Even if its not possible at this point, we should make it a part of our overall national defense strategy. We probably will never get to complete disarmament, but if we can halt or at least slow their spread and reduce the numbers that are out there, it's still a positive for both American and overall global security.

7/17/2008 11:53:15 AM

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"who would you say is the US's biggest threat (don't go being a Russia resurgence person on me... that's silly) it's China they would, RIGHT NOW, agree to a complete and perpetual removal of all nuclear weapons from the face of the earth "

That would be a terrible idea. Who was our biggest enemy 25 years ago? Not China...That's for sure. Who will be our biggest enemy 25 years from now? Probably not China.

Besides, they'll crumble under their own problems.

7/17/2008 12:13:37 PM

There are normal bombs today capable of much more damage than the japan Nukes

7/17/2008 12:50:57 PM

Boone

Secure Loose Nuclear Materials from Terrorists: Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years. While we work to secure existing stockpiles of nuclear material, Obama will negotiate a verifiable global ban on the production of new nuclear weapons material. This will deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear materials.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/


I was off on the weapons. But this is still another pipedream.

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2008 2:15:26 PM

Securing nuclear material is a pipe dream?!

If this is the case, then why even bother with Iran?

7/17/2008 2:24:57 PM

Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years.

Pipe dream

Exactly HOW would do that boone? Marko had the right idea.

7/17/2008 2:41:52 PM

It's implied that he's talking about unsecured stockpiles in former Soviet bloc states.

7/17/2008 2:48:39 PM

pretty clearly says ALL

7/17/2008 3:00:21 PM

Well if bush can round up ALL the terrorist in the world in 4yrs, I believe obama can secure ALL loose nuclear materials WITHIN four years.

Ill ask again. How do you think he would do this? Just ask people to return them?

7/17/2008 3:13:01 PM

DaBird! You're here!

Where's the source on the three years thing?

7/17/2008 3:18:24 PM

the only source I referenced was the original article.

7/17/2008 3:19:15 PM

I can't find anything that supports your claim in the original article.

Help me out.

7/17/2008 3:19:51 PM

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"Two goals of his administration would be to secure all loose nuclear material during his first term and to rid the world of nuclear weapons, Obama told an audience before a roundtable discussion at Purdue University. "

7/17/2008 3:21:32 PM

I never claimed a 3-year window or whatever...that was someone else quoting what they read on his website.

7/17/2008 3:22:05 PM

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"Boone, you forget he had it on his website that his plan was to rid the world of nuclear weapons in three years. LOL"

You were referencing his website, not another user.

He doesn't seem to have a search function on his site, so you'll have to help me out, here.

7/17/2008 3:26:03 PM

^ You must not have tried very hard--I found this in, like, 30 seconds.

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"Toward a Nuclear Free World: Obama will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons, and pursue it. Obama will always maintain a strong deterrent as long as nuclear weapons exist. But he will take several steps down the long road toward eliminating nuclear weapons. He will stop the development of new nuclear weapons; work with Russia to take U.S. and Russian ballistic missiles off hair trigger alert; seek dramatic reductions in U.S. and Russian stockpiles of nuclear weapons and material; and set a goal to expand the U.S.-Russian ban on intermediate- range missiles so that the agreement is global."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#nuclear

7/17/2008 3:34:33 PM

^and what is wrong with that?

7/17/2008 3:35:59 PM

^^You must not have read the thread very hard.

We're talking about DaBird's talk about Obama ridding the world of nuclear weapons in three years (you know, the thing I just quoted)

I was very curious about it, but he refuses to help me learn more

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2008 3:37:32 PM

And the Bush administration has already made progress in the area at issue:

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"[Obama's 2007] speech was to come one day after an announcement by the Bush administration that it had tripled the rate of dismantling nuclear weapons over the last year, putting the United States on track to reducing its stockpile of weapons by half by 2012. The exact number of weapons being dismantled, like the overall stockpile, is secret, but officials said Monday that with the planned reductions, the total number of American nuclear weapons would be at the lowest levels since Dwight D. Eisenhower was president."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/politics/02obama.html?pagewanted=all

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2008 3:43:39 PM

I dont know where to find it. I didnt know he supposedly said it until someone mentioned it on this thread.

cant help ya.

7/17/2008 3:45:05 PM

^^ Excellent.

So this isn't some sort of pie-in-the-sky liberal BS afterall.

Whew!

7/17/2008 3:47:23 PM

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"^and what is wrong with that? "

Its a fairy tale. Like ending teen pregnancy or gun violence. He is selling the myth.

One of Nixon's aids once said of voters. "If the people believe there is an imaginary river, dont tell them there isnt a river. Tell them you are going to build a bridge over thier river."

7/17/2008 3:51:36 PM

^^ Nuclear Weapons Reduction =/= Nuclear-Free World

7/17/2008 4:03:09 PM

But it's a goal that Bush is working towards, and Obama will continue working towards it when he takes office.

This is a universal thing.

7/17/2008 4:18:00 PM

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"Its a fairy tale. Like ending teen pregnancy or gun violence. He is selling the myth. One of Nixon's aids once said of voters. "If the people believe there is an imaginary river, dont tell them there isnt a river. Tell them you are going to build a bridge over thier river." "

What's a fairy tale? It's almost like you're saying we can't stop the world from having nuclear weapons so we shouldn't try, or something.

"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."

7/17/2008 4:57:44 PM

Obama will say whatever is necessary to convince all the people who want to live in his fantasy world to vote him. Just like both the Clintons. He has no solid convictions or even an original thought of his own.

7/17/2008 10:05:57 PM

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""Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.""

..or go hurtling past the moon and stray into an asteroid field.

Oh never mind....

"Hope! Change! Don't Pick on Obama! (or his wife)!

7/17/2008 10:16:36 PM

MAD

7/17/2008 10:26:18 PM

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"ObamaMcCain will say whatever is necessary to convince all the people who want to live in his fantasy world to vote him. Just like BUSH both timesthe Clintons. He has no solid convictions or even an original thought of his own. "

7/18/2008 1:13:05 AM

^^ Is on the wrong side of the prisoner's dilemma.

Fewer nukes mean fewer nukes that can end up in Osama Bin Laden (et. al.)'s hands.

Case pretty well closed.

7/18/2008 2:06:33 AM

nobody is saying that few nukes is a bad idea.

its that Obama presents the situation like nobody else is working towards it and like he can do the impossible and its fucking hilarious.

OBAMA WILL END WORLD HUNGER

OBAMA WILL CURE AIDS

OBAMA WILL BITCH SLAP EL NINO

7/18/2008 8:06:58 AM

^lulz, don't you just love politicians?

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"Also, I don't think it is really possible to eliminate all nuclear weapons around the world, but stopping nuclear proliferation in the medium term IS possible, we'd just have to be up to investing in helping out countries get nuclear power plants."

that should be 3 sentences first off, and i'd agree with the first 2 of them. the last, well, how about alternative energy sources other than FF or nuke?

7/18/2008 11:50:33 AM

^ those are good too, but they don't approach the scale of nuclear power. For a country like China, for example, they need a LOT of power now and cheap, not a little power spread out all over the place. They're going to want nuclear plants (and are building them like crazy) because nothing else will satiate them.

As other now developing countries start to develop, they'll want the same thing. If they make solar panels cheaper and more efficient (which they're working on with the polymer based ones), then for places like Africa with lots of sun, that could be preferable to nuclear power (also because Africa is so spread out).

7/18/2008 3:01:05 PM

Its like a suicide pact between two people. The first one goes, then the second decides "nah, nevermind"

Obama will try to use the US as an example, get rid of our nuc's, then the other nuclear powers decide to back out.

Obama for a neutered America

7/22/2008 12:58:25 PM

the new Duke Energy coal plant they're building will be the cleanest coal burning power plant in the southeast US

7/22/2008 1:11:40 PM

im excited about something my company has been working on.

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"Fluor claims its carbon scrubbing process can recover between 85% and 90% of carbon dioxide contained in flue gas.It says the solvent it uses to capture the carbon dioxide is effective at near atmospheric pressure levels and in flue gas streams that contain oxygen."

7/22/2008 1:32:09 PM

or you could just build a nuclear plant

one that could take the same mass as a coal fire plant and get at least 100,000x the energy out of it

and that emits no carbon dioxide

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 2:34 PM. Reason : 

7/22/2008 2:34:23 PM

we do that too in fact that is my main focus atm heh.

the carbon capture at the moment is mainly being used to retrofit to vastly improve older plants.

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2008 2:38:23 PM

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"its that Obama presents the situation like nobody else is working towards it and like he can do the impossible and its fucking hilarious."

Its all about the salesmanship. Besides, if Obama said something on the lines of, "I will continue the policies of the Bush administration by..." then you know he's going to be crucified by his base, even if its a rational idea (and the administration had a few good ones, just that a few of his not-quite-so-good ideas tend to overshadow the rest).

7/22/2008 3:06:17 PM

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"retrofit to vastly improve older plants."

So that's actually being done on a large scale? Whatever happened to the utilities using that upgrade loophole?

7/22/2008 3:18:23 PM

no unfortunately its a new technology so I am not sure what kind of scope this will have. I shouldnt have said it IS being used that was my fault. The plan is to use it on existing ones if everything works in the pilot plants and the new plants it will also be used in. Unfortunately right now those plants are in Germany. But I am hoping this kind of technology will be used here on existing plants at some point in the not so distant future.

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2008 3:33:55 PM

buBump.

8/5/2008 5:53:20 PM