2 cal

7/16/2008 5:26:10 PM

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" Vix All American 3933 Posts user info edit post Found hot dogs on sale at Food Lion, they're 20 for 2.40 there. Pair a hot dog (24 cents) with a cup o noodles (30 cents) for a 54 cent meal. 6/9/2008 11:09:18 PM "

Bad math aside, I don't think the opinion of Vix matters much in terms of nutrition.

7/16/2008 5:26:25 PM

^^^^Not even the founders believed that.

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2008 5:26:28 PM

OMG, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BUILD ROADS?

OPPRESSORS!

7/16/2008 5:26:35 PM

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"Hey, if you think the only proper function of the government is to use physical force against foreign and domestic initiators of physical force (criminals and terrorists), then YES, this act passed in New York is immoral and completely disgusting to you."

...
You realize you sound like a bum one could expect to find ranting at Berkeley students, right?

7/16/2008 5:28:53 PM

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"Bad math aside, I don't think the opinion of Vix matters much in terms of nutrition."

If this act is outside the proper role of the government, and hence is immoral according to laissez-faire capitalism, it doesn't matter what I choose to eat.

I know what I eat is not nutritious. Once I have a decent income, I will make more nutritious choices.

7/16/2008 5:30:13 PM

nobody has any intent on changing what you eat, only giving you the option of being informed on what you eat.

7/16/2008 5:31:11 PM

^^What have you been reading, or who have you been talking to, that convinced you the only role of the government is protection from inside and outside dangers? I think you're getting federal government and local/state governments confused.

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2008 5:33:25 PM

Giving you the option of being informed at whose expense?

Why should restaurants have to pay to enforce a law to help people that should have learned to take care of themselves already?

7/16/2008 5:33:32 PM

Why should food packaging companies be forced to pay to do tests to find out caloric information and put it on the back of their products?

7/16/2008 5:34:51 PM

i thought it had been officially established in the TWW code that vix is pretty dumb

7/16/2008 5:35:17 PM

^^ Oh they shouldn't IMO.

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:35 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2008 5:35:44 PM

if the government has to pay for all these obese people's health bills via medicare and medicaid, why should they not take measures to improve the general health of the population?

7/16/2008 5:35:56 PM

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"What have you been reading, or who have you been talking to, that convinced you the only role of the government is protection from inside and outside dangers?"

Dude, she loves Ayn Rand. Just leave it alone.

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2008 5:37:00 PM

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"Giving you the option of being informed at whose expense? Why should restaurants have to pay to enforce a law to help people that should have learned to take care of themselves already?"

1) They aren't enforcing it. They'll be complying with it.
2) It's also at the restaurant's expense that they choose to comply with sanitation laws, any local sign ordinances, and things that simply a part of running a restaurant.
3) Are you also arguing, then, that speed limits are immoral, or that nutrition labels on groceries in the store are immoral, or that forcing people to carry liability insurance is immoral? These are all legally-mandated things that are a part of life, which some would argue wouldn't be necessary if people would just be responsible and take care of themselves

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"i thought it had been officially established in the TWW code that vix is pretty dumb"

I missed this bulletin But wow, I'm catching up quickly

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"^^ Oh they shouldn't IMO."

Then where the hell do you suppose people are going to learn to gauge nutritional value, without being a dietitian? And if you say 'It doesn't matter, as long as you're burning more calories than you're taking in'...how long do you know to run for on a day you splurge? Or the week after the fair



[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:39 PM. Reason : alsjdk]

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:40 PM. Reason : lkjfd']

7/16/2008 5:37:54 PM

^^see, even furshia knows not to pay her any mind

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:38 PM. Reason : thread is hot mang]

7/16/2008 5:38:07 PM

I've been reading about laissez-faire capitalism.

Basically, it entails a complete separation of church & state as well as state & economics. Additionally, the governments only function is to protect its citizens from force or fraud internally and externally. Fraud includes things like libel, force can come from another country in the form of a war or in the form of a criminal breaking into your car.

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"i thought it had been officially established in the TWW code that vix is pretty dumb"

Just because I'm advocating a radically different socio-political system does not make me "dumb"


[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2008 5:39:44 PM

Oh.

Theory.

7/16/2008 5:40:36 PM

silly woman, go make a man a sandwich





just kidding furshia

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:41 PM. Reason : ^FRENCH theory at that]

7/16/2008 5:40:58 PM

The french got a few things right

the Marquis de Sade was french

7/16/2008 5:42:15 PM

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"Are you also arguing, then, that speed limits are immoral, or that nutrition labels on groceries in the store are immoral, or that forcing people to carry liability insurance is immoral? These are all legally-mandated things that are a part of life, which some would argue wouldn't be necessary if people would just be responsible and take care of themselves"

I think that these things are immoral when the government mandates them and punishes those who do not comply.

If the owner of the road or maker of the food wants to enforce a speed limit or provide labels for consumers, they should do so. If all roads were privately owned, there would probably be privately enforced speed limits. If the government didn't demand that nutrition labels be provided, you bet most companies would still provide them.

7/16/2008 5:44:38 PM

There isn't much hope for you.

The hope that you do have? It lies in pursuing a philosophy degree to post-doc, with a concentration on economics, and hoping to god that your research/writing stipends and TA-ships put a roof over your head.

After 15years in the field, you might can publish a book on your ravings that most definitely won't be the next Freakanomics (at least, not with your current stances)

7/16/2008 5:45:28 PM

I'm all for this.


Make the fatties feel shameful!

7/16/2008 5:47:34 PM

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"After 15years in the field, you might can publish a book on your ravings that most definitely won't be the next Freakanomics"

I leave that to the hardcore advocates of laissez-faire capitalism who are much more eloquent than I could ever be.

I'd much rather work in a chemistry lab and donate what I can to their cause though.

7/16/2008 5:49:23 PM

^^^^See, here's the main problem with the theory, as far as I can tell. Things cost money, obviously. Almost everything that can be done or made amounts to some amount of money. When someone gets a crash, doesn't have on their seatbelt, and dies as a result, that has to be paid for. The person may not be dead, and the hospital will have to give the person treatment. The person may or may not have insurance. If the person did die, they may have damaged someone else's property, or killed someone. But they're dead, and they can't pay for that. Now what?

Speed limit, seatbelt law, whatever - same principle.

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:49 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 5:50 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2008 5:49:41 PM

A chem lab that will almost certainly receive at least financial benefit from the government.

7/16/2008 5:50:15 PM

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"if people are dumb enough to order a twice fried apple pie or what not they should understand it's not healthy, don't see the purpose in having the calories posted in the same font as the prices"

Did you notice the part in the article where there is a salad, which is advertised to be a healthy meal alternative, but is 1300 Calories? More than a cheeseburger at the same place. I don't know about you, but most people would consider a salad healthier than a cheeseburger. It's nice to know that some of these supposedly "healthy" dishes are no where near that.

7/16/2008 5:53:09 PM

oops double post

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 6:04 PM. Reason : m]

7/16/2008 6:01:53 PM

Damn this thread took off.

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"this annoys me to no end. you'll hear them say how they just can't manage to lose weight and they don't eat anything thats extensive but they won't miss having a doughnut on fridays when they get brought in, they constantly gulp down sodas and tell you about the other "not bad" indulgences they allow themselves every day."

I had a friend order a 12 piece chicken supreme dinner from Bojangles. I said "That's like 3000+ calories" and he replied "I know, that's why I'm splitting it across two meals".

7/16/2008 6:03:50 PM

^^^Pecan crusted chicken salad with dressing.....How do you think they get the pecans to stick, magic? I thought it was pretty common knowledge that restaurant salads were not healthy.

7/16/2008 6:12:47 PM

I thought it was common knowledge that Iraq wasn't responsible for 9/11. Surveys contradict this.

7/16/2008 6:14:45 PM

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"see, even furshia knows not to pay her any mind"

truf

7/16/2008 6:21:35 PM

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"I've been reading about laissez-faire capitalism."

hahah, gotta love college freshmen who actually believe the books by fucking liberal bums who've sat around institutions of "thought" all their lives and spew theoretical grandeur like its truth.

Vix, seriously, shut up and keep figuring out the world as you age, not as you "think". Eating hot dogs and ramen noodles means you're still an idiot and not yet on a level that entitles you to worry about the ins and outs of socioeconomic policy.

7/16/2008 6:29:18 PM

i eaat whatever the fuck i wants and i dont grow horizontally, OR vertically.

7/16/2008 6:33:25 PM

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"Eating hot dogs and ramen noodles means you're still an idiot and not yet on a level that entitles you to worry about the ins and outs of socioeconomic policy."

Just because you're poor does not mean you're an idiot incapable of understanding politics.

7/16/2008 6:41:00 PM

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"But the 26 year old just discovered that the Friday’s pecan-crusted chicken salad, served with mandarin oranges, dried cranberries and celery, has 1,360 calories. “That surprised me the most because they market it as a healthy option,” she said. “It’s like false advertising. You think it’s better than the burger and the fries. It’s misleading.” (The cheeseburger served with fries is, indeed, 1,290 calories.)"

It is fucking fried chicken on a salad.... This program will benefit people like her and 1,000's of others. TGI Friday's should be held accountable for their false advertising. This is not a bad thing. This is NYC protecting their citizens. If anything they should make them re-write the menu descriptions to more accurately portray what the patron will get when the food comes.



[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 6:52 PM. Reason : d]

7/16/2008 6:49:57 PM

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"I thought it was pretty common knowledge that restaurant salads were not healthy."

I'll wager that the majority of American's that eat out will eat a pecan-crusted chicken salad over a giant cheeseburger if they are trying to eat "healthier". Especially when a restaurant specifically advertises it to be a healthier menu option.

Yes, in general, people are retarded when it comes to eating healthy at restaurants (or in general for that matter). Hopefully posting the nutritional content of food will get people to think a little more about what they put in their mouthes. I'm all for it.

7/16/2008 6:51:34 PM

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"Bad math aside, I don't think the opinion of Vix matters much in terms of nutrition."

lol so true

[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 6:54 PM. Reason : lol shes been talking about laizze(sp?) faire capitalism forever]

7/16/2008 6:53:30 PM

see above, but I am totally for this. Some people will of course ignore it and just eat, but it will help plenty of others.

I asked a couple people at work yesterday where a nice, healthy place was near my work- I had to take some pretty healthy/fit people to dinner. Our 250 lb admin recommended a Chinese buffet and was dead serious. "All the dishes have vegetables". Her husband is 40 and has diabetes.

7/16/2008 6:55:38 PM

Alright, so I went to TGI Friday's site to see if I could find the "Pecan-crusted Chicken Salad". For the life of me, I cannot find any nutritional information about it on their site though.

http://www.thedailyplate.com/nutrition-calories/food/tgi-fridays/pecan-crusted-chicken-salad Found this site though that states it is only 750 calories (no mention of dressing), but half the calories are estimated to be from fat.

And most of the other sites I came across agree that it's ~700-800 calories. The only mention of 1,300+ calories is from a recent reviewer to the above site.

For those watching their weights, I would love to see the information readily available for them. Not them having to decide what they're going to have for lunch the day before as they search multiple web sites hoping to find one (several sites I ran across only had twenty items from their menu) that actually had information about the item they were interested in on the menu.

7/17/2008 9:53:06 AM

Why wouldn't the restaurant want the information readily available so that there were not any misconceptions?

Probably because they know it's going to look bad either way.

7/17/2008 9:57:58 AM

so this Vix person read a few things on laissez-faire and now is an expert and knows how to solve all the worlds problems?

haha

hilarious

7/17/2008 10:09:35 AM

Two links worth reading on this issue, both from Consumerist.

One
Two

7/17/2008 10:41:09 AM

They've been doing this in restaurants in other countries for awhile now. Anyone who is bitching about it is just an idiot

7/17/2008 11:06:27 AM

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"Basically, it entails a complete separation of church & state as well as state & economics. Additionally, the governments only function is to protect its citizens from force or fraud internally and externally. Fraud includes things like libel, force can come from another country in the form of a war or in the form of a criminal breaking into your car."

I would certainly consider a restaurant advertising a 1300 calorie salad as healthy a good example of fraud.

7/17/2008 11:06:48 AM

^ Completely agree with you.
^^^ Thank you for the links.

7/17/2008 11:26:32 AM

As a person who looks at the nutrition label on nearly everything I buy in the grocery store I see this as a positive thing. Customers can still choose whatever food they want, but at least they know the consequences of their choices.

I recall probably 7 or 8 years ago I grabbed a salad at Chic-Fil-A with ranch dressing. About half way through the meal I noticed that each packet of dressing (they give you 2) had about 20 grams of fat. I might as well have gotten a sandwich and some fries. Some people may think it is common sense that ranch dressing is bad for you, but for people who have no nutrition education and have no idea what it is made of it really isn't that obvious.

How are you going to be angry about being better informed? Ignorance is bliss for some I guess.

7/17/2008 11:36:22 AM

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"“I’m so upset,” she said, noting some entrees — like the Jack Daniels ribs and shrimp dinner — contain almost 2,000 calories, and the desserts were more of the same (the brownie obsession is 1,500 calories). “I wish they wouldn’t have done this.”"

10 bucks this lady is fatter than fat.... I wish they showed a picture.

^Ignorance is definately bliss when it comes to shit like this

If I dont know how many calories are in this meal, its not going to be that bad for me type mentality.

It mainly just spawns from people being lazy about what they eat. It takes a decent amount of effort to eat healthy and some people are too apathetic and disinterested to make a change.



ps I think this is a fantastic idea

7/17/2008 12:12:16 PM

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"About half way through the meal I noticed that each packet of dressing (they give you 2) had about 20 grams of fa"

Per packet, or bag?
Because those bags are, ostensibly, two servings

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"As a person who looks at the nutrition label on nearly everything I buy in the grocery store I see this as a positive thing. Customers can still choose whatever food they want, but at least they know the consequences of their choices."

+1

I've been getting my bf to eat better, too. So when we were at the grocery store last night, some pies were on sale, and he was so excited and cute, then when he asked about it (despite paying for groceries, he was asking me whether or not I'd let the pie in the house - he's been very good about accommodating the changes I've implemented in my own diet, and actively supporting them, and in some cases, adopting them), I said sure, and didn't look at the label.

1/8 of that pie. 26g fat. I was like HOLY SHIT. Then I opened the box and realized that a very significant portion of that would be from the whipped cream on top, which I scraped off mine (I told him that's where a lot of that would be [after touching this stuff, and rinsing me hands, I could feel something clinging to the ridges of my fingers ], but I wasn't going to tell him to scrape it off his). I wasn't a big fan of the pie, so it's a non-issue for me I can also make a better tasting, similar pie with more fruit, and WAAAAAAAY less calories. My cat wouldn't eat that stuff, and she loves sweet dairy products.

So while we rarely buy pre-made pies...they're definitely something we'll buy less, and on my list of things to ALWAYS check and compare in store.

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"Some people may think it is common sense that ranch dressing is bad for you, but for people who have no nutrition education and have no idea what it is made of it really isn't that obvious."

Some people have a vague notion that some dressings are bad for you, but they have absolutely no how idea just how calorie-dense ranch and some other dressings are.

7/17/2008 12:20:13 PM

Was that salad with or without the dressing. I can't imagine its without and the chicken breast was around 800-900 cals.

7/17/2008 12:26:02 PM