BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
my 16 GB zen can play the iTunes specific formats, it's the only non-apple product that can make that claim. 7/16/2008 6:29:42 PM |
StillFuchsia All American 18941 Posts user info edit post |
^ Who uses those formats, anyhow?
Quote : | "i don't care about the screen at all
i'm selecting text for christ's sake" |
I don't really want the screen, either
though my dad watches movies on his while he is on the plane: that's sorta cool
I just stick to music, plus the shuffle has my music sorted however I sorted it on iTunes, so I can always find what it is I wanted to listen to, if it's something specific
[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM. Reason : .]7/16/2008 6:31:03 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
can the bigger ones do that, too?
because 16gb isn't nearly enough
and really, less than 1% of what i have is in itunes formats
most of it is shit i have on vinyl that i wanted to snag before i got my usb turntable ] 7/16/2008 6:31:15 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
orly
cool
I believe that the Zens also feature a removable battery that you can have replaced when it eventually dies, rather than paying 50 dollar bucks to get a clean iPod with no music on it...I thought mine did but apparently it doesn't, so maybe the larger models can. Mine is about as big as my thumb. 7/16/2008 6:32:10 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
if you want to ever look at pictures or video on your player, the screen is more brillant on the creative players. that's the point. just looking at the displays between the ipod and the creative players, most people i've talked to said the creative player looks better.
and i've had 0 problem with the 3 or 4 creative players i've owned. 7/16/2008 6:32:48 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I just hate the cost of itunes. Zune's offer is so much better....I just had to get a fucking mac!!" |
You realize you can use ANY mp3 service right? The Zune software IS pretty damn awesome though, far and away the best software experience for syncing and purchasing.
Too bad the zune is like 3rd or 4rd on my list of players.7/16/2008 6:32:56 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
^^ but i don't look at pictures, so i don't care 7/16/2008 6:34:31 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
Zen's have better color depth. But they are the same resolution and same contrast/brightness.
However the iPod touch uses a glass screen, which makes it a HELL of a lot better for viewing. No constant smudging or scratching worries. 7/16/2008 6:36:47 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.creative.com/products/mp3/zen/
that's the one that plays iTunes format. they've had a new product since that was released, but i don't know anything about that one. it comes in up to 32 GB, the worlds first 32 GB flash player.
it is also SD expandable. 7/16/2008 6:36:56 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
some zens feature removable batteries. i don't think any of their flash players do, but then again, i haven't seen a single flash player that features that.
my first zen had one. 7/16/2008 6:38:43 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "However the iPod touch uses a glass screen, which makes it a HELL of a lot better for viewing. No constant smudging or scratching worries." |
Define smudging...cause the iPod screens I see are always dirty from fingerprints and the like.
Not that it matters if you're not interested in looking at pictures and shit.
Plus, you get a lot more looks if you have a Creative.7/16/2008 6:40:18 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
looks of disdain, yes
it pisses me off that the new ones only come in black and silver
i needs my white ipod 7/16/2008 6:41:19 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
why would I get looks of disdain? its always been curious people who like it and girls saying its cute. 7/16/2008 6:45:03 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.creative.com/products/mp3/zenxfi/
the new creative looks to be the best flash player ever. best sound quality yet, built in speaker, lcd screen, wide range of formats... 7/16/2008 6:45:52 PM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
I used to be anti-apple. I bought a Creative Zen Vision: M because it was the best competitive product to an iPod at the time I was shopping.
The good things about the creative:
sound quality file support (mainly drm'd napster to go subscription wma files)
the bad, or piss poor things:
the fucking UI the fucking UI the fucking UI the fucking battery life
All of the poor things i thought i could deal with, and then I got an iphone. Once I got the iphone, I started using itunes (which isnt great, but it's ok).
All of the CVM's UI issues became immediately apparent once I actually USED an ipod/iphone. I can't tell you how many times I accidentally bought a song I had from N2G instead of trying to find the associated album. The minor annoying shit that costs you money will make more of an impact on your opinion than anything else. It's only 99 cents, but it's 99 cents i didnt want to fucking spend, often on songs that I DONT like at all.
Do NOT waste your money on any other mp3 player that isn't made by Apple. 7/16/2008 6:46:35 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
ELITISM!
a built-in speaker does nothing for me, either
also,
Quote : | "(on creative) the bad, or piss poor things:
the fucking UI the fucking UI the fucking UI" | ]7/16/2008 6:46:49 PM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
imo the amount of nutritious food you could buy with the money spent on an ipod is not worth it 7/16/2008 6:47:24 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
looks like it also has the ability to sync wirelessly with your computer, as well as instant message from your player.
not that anyone would really want to do the latter... 7/16/2008 6:48:46 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
and yet
32 GB isn't enough
and the UI sucks 7/16/2008 6:49:39 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
i've never had any issues with buying things i didn't need while using my creative player. i've never had issues making playlists or anything of the sort.
the built in speaker is just another feature it has to put it over the iPod. i'm sure you've had a situation where you wanted to share your music with a friend, and a speaker could have come to aid. 7/16/2008 6:52:50 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
perhaps
but if i have to sacrifice half of my needed storage for a speaker
what's the point 7/16/2008 6:53:46 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You realize you can use ANY mp3 service right?" |
I do...but I prefer to use the mp3 thats directly related to whatever mp3 player I buy. When I first got my ipod I loaded all the mp3s I had downloaded over the years and it was just a clusterfuck. I used rhapsody before I switched over to using itunes.
If you factor out the cost...I think itunes is the best...but damn the cost. I might have to go to an alternative route. Anyone have any suggestions??7/16/2008 6:53:59 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
^ music of 2008 thread 7/16/2008 6:54:28 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
more features != better.
And if you want to share a song with a friend, you just send it to them via the WIFI built into the iPod touch. (actually I have no idea if you can do this, but damn you should, and ill bet you will be able to with a jailbroken app or appstore).
Will the iPod support the appstore? if so, it's the hands down winner over any competition. 7/16/2008 6:56:34 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
32 GB is the most you'll get out of a flash player. flash technology is faster than the hard drives, and it is also more reliable (you drop a HD or expose it to magnetism, you might have lost your data.) 7/16/2008 6:56:59 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
You get more out of that mp3 player than the speaker. you get the best sound quality availible in any mp3 player. 7/16/2008 6:58:24 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
wow, i'm elitest because I didn't want to use the buggy as fuck iTunes or iPod. My roommate freshman year had tons of problems, such as iTunes adding every song to his iPod three times that he then had to manually remove via iTunes.
I don't even see why we're trying to argue with a fan boy who hasn't seen the Creative stuff himself:
Quote : | "why would i talk you out of it
ipods are wonderful things
i got my first one in 2002
and it instantly became my favorite possession, even though it was fucking huge" |
Multiple people talk about the bad UI for iPods, and one person says Creative has a bad UI and you jump all over that.7/16/2008 6:58:42 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
creative does offer larger players, however they are not flash and i don't have experience with those that you can buy right now. 7/16/2008 6:59:23 PM |
themodist Suspended 1013 Posts user info edit post |
nobody's interested in your goddamned creative player, jesus
what are you, selling them through quixtar? 7/16/2008 7:01:00 PM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
^ ahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Quote : | "and one person says Creative has a bad UI and you jump all over that" |
WHO HAPPENS TO BE A UI DESIGNER
[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 7:05 PM. Reason : .]7/16/2008 7:04:32 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
well then you fucking fail if you accidently buy songs. got fat fingers or something? jesus, how do you even buy songs? 7/16/2008 7:06:25 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
i'm just saying
ipods are pretty and awesome
other players are ugly and boorish
all things should be beautiful or old or both 7/16/2008 7:07:52 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "nobody's interested in your goddamned creative player, jesus" |
people were obviously interested in discussing it, buddy.7/16/2008 7:11:41 PM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "well then you fucking fail if you accidently buy songs. got fat fingers or something? jesus, how do you even buy songs?" |
They're subscription based, and there is a menu option right underneath "More from this artist."
The input method sucks, because it's a touch strip that you slide your finger up and down, and then tap instead of using a hardkey to interact with. Taps are often interpreted as "slide, then tap." It's a poor user experience that is normally overlooked outside of the specific instance that I encountered. If the UI were being evaluated, and Tapping to advance to the next menu item or screen were a task, then I PROMISE you that 95% of the users would have a failure rate at or above 75%.
Also, don't try to talk shit to me about this, I obviously know more about it than you.
and my fingers are nowhere near as fat as your mom is.
[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 7:13 PM. Reason : .]7/16/2008 7:11:49 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Also, don't try to talk shit to me about this, I obviously know more about it than you." |
Obviously, because I've never accidently bought a song
I've also never had one of those models either, but you can go ahead and get off your elitist UI designer high horse, kthx.
oooo, a your mom joke, classy
[Edited on July 16, 2008 at 7:14 PM. Reason : ]7/16/2008 7:13:54 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
Creative found the slide to be a problem, and corrected it by putting buttons instead of the touchpad they once had all of their players going to. the interface with the buttons seems to work great 7/16/2008 7:14:41 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
mine's not a high horse
is the title of the song
that's playing
on my ipod 7/16/2008 7:14:55 PM |
themodist Suspended 1013 Posts user info edit post |
you got a creative tattoo or something you're trying to validate?
and i'm not your buddy, guy 7/16/2008 7:20:45 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
7/16/2008 7:21:39 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
7/16/2008 7:22:51 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNqoVvimOi4&feature=related
anyway 7/16/2008 7:30:42 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
except that it was more of a buddy guy joke than a south park joke
because we're musicians
and care about music
but yeah
anyway 7/16/2008 7:32:43 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
LOL, i didn't expect this thing to blow up.
anyway, i stopped and bought one.
Quote : | "I have a 4gb Creative mp3 player that costs 25 bucks and works just fine, is about the size of my thumb. Drag and drop folders was my main requirement and it has it. I don't do iTunes" |
i have a cheap little mp3 player, but the reason i'm buying this one is b/c i'm running out of room to put CDs in my car, so 4gb, or even a touch at 32gb wouldn't be enough since the only reason i'm buying it is to be a music library.
also
Quote : | "^ music of 2008 thread" |
qft.]7/16/2008 7:42:13 PM |
Arab13 Art Vandelay 45179 Posts user info edit post |
got a 8 gb nano, ported my existing music over (4k+ songs but not all on it (15 gigs)) and mashed up some playlists
itunes is ok, but they need to stream line it...
i really really like my ipod though (refurbished (apple) ftw) 7/16/2008 8:58:23 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
meh, i guess it's alright so far.
the best part about it is that i can finally buy Thom Stone - Harmony on a Jetplane, since i can only find it on itunes and i refused to use itunes before. 7/16/2008 9:04:24 PM |
BigEgo Not suspended 24374 Posts user info edit post |
failed. 7/16/2008 9:07:02 PM |
tsavla All American 6787 Posts user info edit post |
btw which one did you buy? classic 7/16/2008 9:07:57 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, 80gb classic.
a black one. why is every wire that came w/ it white? it can't possibly be hard to make black versions. 7/16/2008 9:14:13 PM |
Stein All American 19842 Posts user info edit post |
I absolutely hate the normal iPod interface. The Sansa's is a lot more intuitive. 7/16/2008 9:21:56 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
at least in regards to my decision, that's irrelevant b/c sansa doesn't make a player of adequate size. 7/16/2008 9:23:07 PM |