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"and remember Sterling Hicks and Brian Williams? hardly ever got any touches"

Brian Williams was a DB

Good call

7/22/2008 8:19:52 PM

technically, he just asked if you remembered him

7/22/2008 9:01:48 PM

Technically he said that Williams hardly got any touches and that we should have gotten him the ball more.

I guess, though, that if he were still around he'd get plenty of "touches" during practice. Evans would definitely get the ball to him more because oh god he's the worst quarterback ever.

7/22/2008 9:06:35 PM

I feel really bad for Hicks. I always thought he would find greatness, but it seemed like the team and qb's never worked out for him.

7/22/2008 9:28:39 PM

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"Interceptions could be seen as deceiving as well. You have balls tipped on the line, droped passes, balls that come out as you get hit...all of which go down as an int, none of which you can *blame* on the QB...and all of which happened last year."

You also have balls that were passed directly to someone on the defense that didn't have an offensive player within 5-10 yards of him. I remember this happening at least twice last year.

^^I'd love to see our team get the ball to members of the defense more often... technically.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 8:37 AM. Reason : -]

7/23/2008 8:36:35 AM

my bad, i meant Brian Clark.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 9:06 AM. Reason : yea]

7/23/2008 8:52:52 AM

Marcus Stone would be in the top ten if he had started nine seasons.

Remember when he lit App State up for 39 yards?


Or how about his 5 game streak with at least one completion in the first half. And by at least one I mean only one.

7/23/2008 9:09:59 AM

^ are you talking about the ones where jay davis played the first halves?

7/23/2008 9:55:44 AM

^^Man...I completely forgot about that. God he was horrible.

I still laugh at the people who thought that Marcus Stone was a better QB than Jay Davis.

But seriously...we have been on an abysmal run of QBs. I think we signed a deal with the devil to get Philip Rivers. Too bad the devil didn't get the dates right to have the defense there at the same time.

7/23/2008 11:35:52 AM

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"I still laugh at the people who thought that Marcus Stone was a better QB than Jay Davis. "

i laugh at people who think Jay Davis is a better QB than anyone

unlike Davis, Stone actually had a season where he threw more TDs than INTs

also Stone threw 6 picks in 154 pass attempts during the 2005 season...Davis threw 5 picks in the 2004 Clemson game alone

7/23/2008 11:48:37 AM

I laugh at people who still argue over Davis and Stone four years after the fact.

7/23/2008 12:20:39 PM

you're right ernie...this thread is about evans having the 7th most passing yards among NCSU QBs

how dare we bring up any other NCSU QBs and compare them

excellent point as usual

7/23/2008 12:23:56 PM

I mean, comparing Evans to past quarterbacks would make sense. Arguing over Davis and Stone is played the fuck out though.

7/23/2008 12:24:57 PM

you could always leave the thread if you think discussing a couple of our starting QBs immediately before Evans is really going off on a random tangent that has no place in a thread that compares QB stats

weak troll attempt, even for you ernie

7/23/2008 12:30:51 PM

back to evans....kinda

you have to be careful about stats like this. Prior to the mid 80s (around there anyway, with BYU and Houston) the running game was king. Look at some quarterbacks from National Championship teams back in the 60s and 70s, and see how many completions, attempts, yards they had.

The game changed alot...so being in the top ten isn't THAT big of a deal, unless you're the QB at a traditionally pass-happy school like Houston or Hawaii or Texas Tech (since Mike Leach years...)

7/23/2008 12:44:11 PM

tried to find the complete list online or a top 10 for this, someone post that would be interested to see it and how close he is to moving up to the top 2 or 3.

7/23/2008 12:47:23 PM

I'm sure it's in the media guide, which is probably on gopack.

7/23/2008 12:49:20 PM

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"also Stone threw 6 picks in 154 pass attempts during the 2005 season"

I explain this by saying....

STONE COULDN'T EVEN GET IT CLOSE TO THE OTHER TEAM'S PLAYER WHO WAS COVERING OUR RECEIVER. He had so many balls that just hit open grass that weren't even close to anybody...it was ridiculous. Then there were the million times that Stone saw our first receiver covered, and he would tuck and run for a 2-yard loss or a 2-yard gain.

Jay Davis could at least throw the ball well enough to get it in the vicinity of the receiver.


But to take from the movie "Waiting"...it's like saying you're the smartest kid with downs syndrome.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 1:17 PM. Reason : .]

7/23/2008 1:16:33 PM

Philip Rivers - 13,484
Jamie Barnette - 9,461
Terry Harvey - 5,925
Shane Montgomery - 5,298
Erik Kramer - 4,602
Dave Buckey - 4,286
Daniel Evans - 3,873
Tim Esposito - 3,847
Terry Jordan - 3,695
Jay Davis - 3,548

IF he were to start this whole year, he could be in like 3rd with even a mediocre year.

[Edited on July 23, 2008 at 1:23 PM. Reason : nm]

7/23/2008 1:20:15 PM

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"Jay Davis could at least throw the ball well enough to get it in the vicinity of the receiver."

good thing thats what wins football games...remind me who has the better record as a starter between Stone and Davis?

the sad thing about that Clemson game is depite his 4 picks at the time, the defense got us back in the game, and we were driving in the red zone with a chance to either tie or take the lead...then bam, interception #5 in typical Jay Davis fashion...the Adam Kiker or quarterbacks

7/23/2008 2:55:49 PM

they were both so bad, it isn't even worth argueing.

7/23/2008 3:24:11 PM

^^Ah, the old throw an int in the red zone thing that we are so good at. I can't remember if it was last season or the season before, but we blew many, many scoring opportunities with red zone ints. It was so bad that I was at the point where I just wanted us to kick a field goal once we got in the red zone... even on 1st downs. We probably would have won a few more games that way.

7/24/2008 7:37:19 AM

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"good thing thats what wins football games...remind me who has the better record as a starter between Stone and Davis?"

Come on man...how many times has this theory been debunked?? Stone got a lot of his wins against some shitty teams. And a lot of those wins came with us running the ball 8 million times (or him throwing 9 out of 10 incomplete passes) and the defense holding some team under ten points. We basically won despite both quarterbacks...but we really won despite Marcus Stone (oh wait....there's that one drive he put together against Virginia Tech...thing of beauty).

Marcus Stone: 49% completion percentage, 1,100+ yds, and 8 TD (can't find ints) in 16 games played (107 rating)

Jay Davis: 57% completion percentage, 3300+ yds, 18 Tds (and 23 ints) (can't find how many games he played in) (120 rating)

I can't believe I'm still arguing who was not the worst quarterback.

7/24/2008 8:05:56 AM

so you're debunking my "theory" about wins and losses, and you're bringing up passing yards?

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"We basically won despite both quarterbacks ...but we really won despite Marcus Stone"

that sounds like a pretty fucking stupid statement...Davis went 7-10 as a starter...Stone went 7-3 as a starter...with wins over "shitty" teams, like @ Florida State...sounds like we basically won despite Stone, and basically lost thanks to Davis...but however you want to spin it

I just find it mind blowing that anyone could watch State football over the last 10 years and not say Jay Davis is easily the worst QB thats started for us over that time...unless you'd rather have a gunslinger who threw a ton of picks than someone who could manage a game and win more games than he lost...and I don't recall Stone ever "throwing 9 out of 10 incomplete passes"...maybe you could remind me which game you think that happened in

btw another stat thats just plain wrong is your stat of 8 TDs in 16 games...first off, he threw 8 TDs in one season in 7 starts...he threw 12 TDs and 12 INT for his career...in 10 career starts, not 16...you adding in the games that he started at tight end?

7/24/2008 8:55:22 AM

^16 games played...I didn't say started. I was just going off of what espn.com gave me.

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""throwing 9 out of 10 incomplete passes"...maybe you could remind me which game you think that happened in"

There were like three games in a row where he had one completion in the first half (guessing...but I remember a 1-9, 1-12...and like 1-7).

He was an absolutely absymal passer...just horrible. He didn't manage shit. He managed to hand the ball off a shitload of times, tuck it and run the first time he saw a defender within 10 feet of him, and he managed not to throw it near anybody on the field...his teammate or opposing players (so yeah...give him credit for not throwing interceptions).

I'm not saying Jay Davis was good...I'm just saying he wasn't as bad as Marcus Stone...who was plain garbage as a QB (seriously man...under 50% completion percentage. He couldn't even throw the little dump offs to the running back.)

Okay...now I'm done with this argument. I'll just agree to disagree.

7/24/2008 9:08:51 AM

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"I'm not saying Jay Davis was good...I'm just saying he wasn't as bad as Marcus Stone"

i'm not saying Stone is good...but I'm saying you're out of your mind if you're saying Davis was better than ANY State QB in the last 10 years

plus Stone has over 1,400+ yards passing, you say 1,100+ yards...where exactly are you getting your stats?

7/24/2008 9:15:14 AM

^I take it back. That increase in yardage changes my whole argument. At first I was like..."if you can't pass for more than 1200 yards, there's no way you can be better than Jay Davis." But now that I see he passed for over 1400 yards while starting in 10 games and playing in 16 total...then that completely changes everything.

Stone > Davis.

7/24/2008 4:15:45 PM

well if you're trying to argue a point using stats, you might want to actually post accurate stats...kinda discredits your argument when you underestimate somebody's TDs by 50%

I dunno, I guess you just prefer your QBs to throw more picks than TDs and have more losses than wins...to each his own

7/24/2008 4:22:28 PM

Looks like Treetwista's got yet another rival

TWW Public Enemy #1

7/24/2008 4:30:19 PM

Jay Davis will always be my rival, since he is the worst QB to start a game for State in the last 10 years

7/24/2008 4:31:48 PM

Panthers/State comparisons

Rivers = Buerlien in '99

Davis = Jeff Lewis

Stone = David Carr

Evans = Jake

7/24/2008 4:33:49 PM

Rivers = Jake

Davis = David Carr

Stone = Testaverde

Evans = Matt Moore

7/24/2008 4:36:43 PM

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"Rivers = Jake"

You're crazy

I like you

but you're crazy

7/24/2008 4:39:17 PM

03-05 Jake > 99 Beurlein

7/24/2008 4:42:32 PM

In terms of team success

But Beuerlein had the best year ever for Panthers QB by far

7/24/2008 4:44:09 PM

yeah what did he throw 38 TDs or something? he was ballin, but I'll take Jake's 8:1 TD:INT ratio any day

even though it was only from 2.5 games last year

7/24/2008 4:45:57 PM

36 TD's

Jeffers Walls and Moose

and don't even try to use Jake's start last year as a telling sample size

Jake is a 25 TD max quarterback....maybe close to 30 if everything goes his way

7/24/2008 4:47:46 PM

didnt he get 30 in 04? when smitty went out and moose caught like 15?

either way beurlein had one ballin year but other than that he was mostly getting sacked

7/24/2008 4:49:37 PM

Jake's gone 19-29-24-17 with TD's

and year Beuerlien only had one great year...but it was the best year by a QB a Panther has ever had

7/24/2008 4:51:37 PM

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"well if you're trying to argue a point using stats, you might want to actually post accurate stats...kinda discredits your argument when you underestimate somebody's TDs by 50%"

I pretty much conceded the TD/INT stat from the beginning. The yardage disparity is so big that 300 yards doesn't make a difference....but honestly, the yardage doesn't really matter...Davis had a few more starts...but we actually passed the ball with him because we knew he actually had marginal ability to pass the ball.

I just know that QBs have to be able to pass. Marcus Stone can't pass as evidenced by his less than 50% completion percentage. If you have less than 50% completion percentage, you can't be better than anybody.

[was going to go back and look back at Marcus' wins...but couldn't find stats from the '05-06 season. Got his one win in 06-07...App State where he went 7-13 with 1td and 1int. Awesome game agianst a 1AA opponent. He then played GREAT in losses to Akron and So. Miss]


BTW...this is Marcus Stone as referenced by ESPN:



http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11817

7/24/2008 5:24:12 PM

Stone was unquestionably a worse QB than Jay Davis. He had FIVE STRAIGHT GAMES WHERE HE COMPLETED ONE PASS IN THE FIRST HALF.

Stone's "record" as a starter is a joke. That's when Andre Brown became the second coming of god and took over the season. If we had stayed with Toney Baker any longer we never would have won those games.

7/24/2008 7:15:46 PM

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"Stone's "record" as a starter is a joke."

I like how you put record in quotation marks as if A, its an imaginary stat, and B, its not THE most important stat in football

You don't have to throw for a lot of yards to be a good quarterback, you have to throw when you need to, and not make mistakes and turn the ball over.

7/24/2008 8:12:07 PM

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"you have to throw when you need to"

Good thing we only "needed" him to throw less than 50% of the time.

7/24/2008 8:38:40 PM

Good thing he didn't singlehandedly lose us a half dozen games

7/24/2008 8:54:24 PM

Good thing no quarterback has ever done that.

7/24/2008 9:07:08 PM

Don't be a functioning retard. Stone was a horrible QB.

Jay Davis at least had a pulse.


Even though Davis sucked donkey dick Stone was one of the least serviceable starting QB's in Division I history.


You do realize Stone lost his job despite being "7-3", right?


I won a basketball game playing SG against a team comprised of three D-1 players one time. Who cares if David Wesley was the PG? I scored 2 points and was on the team. So my all-time record is 1-0 against D-1 basketball players.

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 10:56 PM. Reason : a]

7/24/2008 10:56:05 PM

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"You do realize Stone lost his job despite being "7-3", right?"

That should honestly end the argument right there.

7/24/2008 11:03:02 PM

Can't wait to see Evans throwing with a healthy shoulder.

7/25/2008 12:07:32 AM

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"You do realize Stone lost his job despite being "7-3", right?"

Trent Dilfer led the Ravens to a "12-4 record" and also with the help of the defense and run game, he led them to a "Super Bowl"

you like how I put completely relevant shit in quote marks to try and downplay it?

yet somehow before Stone was replaced with a 7-3 record, Stone replaced Davis...why do you have some perception that total passing yards is the most important stat with QBs? When picking a QB, the #1 reason for starting QB 1 over QB 2 is that QB 1 gives you the best chance to win the game...and the records speak for themselves

also its funny that you mention Stone losing his job...seems he lost it after leading the team to a lead with 10 seconds left in the Akron game, and the defense allowing a (supposed) TD with no instant replay...wow thats just as bad as Jay Davis throwing 5 picks and losing by less than 1 score...I wonder if our clown coach swapped QBs to try and draw attention away from his "non qualifiers" comment?

I'm about tired of this argument though, we're basically arguing if its better to be shot or stabbed...still its amazing for me to see someone say Jay Davis is a better QB than anyone...maybe I have certain Davis games in my memory and you guys have certain Stone games in your memory...but like I said earlier, they both sucked, but rallydurham, you sure do seem to be trying to convince us that sucking donkey dick is better than leading your team to a winning record

besides rally, you were the biggest Vick supporter back in the day...standing up for a QB who didnt throw for many yards, for the simple reason that he won games...now you're pulling a complete 180?

^agree

[Edited on July 25, 2008 at 1:42 AM. Reason : david wesley]

7/25/2008 1:34:32 AM

Stone got a bad deal at state. He should have been our QB for the Akron game and throughout the season. He and Jay Davis both sucked, but I think Stone sucked a little less. At least they didn't look like they were about to fall down taking a drop like Evans.

7/25/2008 3:49:36 AM