It's one argument I'm glad I was wrong about

7/28/2008 1:30:20 PM

According to Duke's rules, if you post content and then a personal attack then you are in the clear as far as suspension goes. This scenario is why I think that rule is flawed. Both moron and hooksaw should be suspended for this crap.


That being said, this guy is scum attacking a church because he hates christians (UU's are xtians? wtf?) and liberals. I had similar pictures of the old man though.

7/28/2008 1:32:01 PM

An "incidentally" at the end of a paragraph is not suspension-worthy.

I think everyone took it as a tongue-in-cheek jab except for hooksaw, who immediately validated any truth moron meant to include in the aside.

It was certainly much more tame than the average hooksaw insult.

7/28/2008 1:35:18 PM

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" I completely do see as hooksaw"

i have to agree

7/28/2008 1:36:53 PM

^^its bullshit that i could make a thread titled "Gay marriage legalized in Massachussetts; Boone and moron thrilled with news" and I wouldnt be in the wrong at all, because I actually post a link to an article about gay marriage

I shouldnt be able to do petty stupid shit like that

7/28/2008 1:37:03 PM

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"Incidentally, this is the mental picture I have of hooksaw in my mind"

He said that this is how he pictures hooksaw. He did not say "this is how hooksaw may behave cause that is how he is." Read hooksaw's posts and tell me that you do not picture him as a fuzzy-haired old weirdo like the guy in the picture.

7/28/2008 1:38:12 PM

should have sold his gun to fund a hair cut and new clothes and how bout some free job training.

7/28/2008 1:39:43 PM

^^read his posts and tell me you picture hooksaw as someone that hates christians

the guy who shot up the church hates "liberals" and "christians", according to the story...sounds like he hates the right and the left...doesnt sound like many people on this board

7/28/2008 1:41:23 PM

The guy doesn't hate the Right. He hates the left and he hated this church particularly because of its stance on women and gay rights along with creating an ACLU chapter.

7/28/2008 1:42:23 PM

It was a very stream of conscious post (more so than normal), i'll admit. I really didn't think hooksaw would flip out so much though (ironically enough...).

I'm surprised the hooksaw bit overshadowed the fairly bizarre crazy man so much.

^^^^^ there's a difference though. I don't actually know any one on here, and I don't know how most of you look. but when I read posts, my brain naturally forms a stereotypical representation. Hooksaw's post often has a fanatical style to them, and he literally rants about "liberals," and he has stated he's older than most people on here (i know he's not 58, but a white-haired guy is what I picture for someone "older), and that's literally what I picture him looking like for the purposes of The Soap Box, even though I know he probably doesn't look like that (for example, my caricatures of people are always fairly tall, thin people, which is rarely the case). I wasn't taking a jab at him, I was mostly noting what I think in my head on a stream-of-conscious level.

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 1:42:52 PM

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"its bullshit that i could make a thread titled "Gay marriage legalized in Massachussetts; Boone and moron thrilled with news" "

Except there's a significant difference between your example and what moron did.

But incidentally, I recall someone doing that to you (your name being a part of the title), and Duke was ok with it.


^You're missing the fact that every hard-core internet conservative, ever, wears a goatee

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 1:45 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2008 1:43:46 PM

^ in general when I think internet conservative, I actually picture a late 20s fat white guy chowing down on a Butterfinger, in a desk chair they barely fit in, going somewhat bald, spilling their food on their keyboard as they fumingly type out their i-hate-liberal rants.

When I think internet liberal, I pretty much imagine someone like Steve Jobs in a black turtleneck, smoking a pipe, with a glass of wine near them, as they scoff elitist-ly at the Fox-news-esque idiocy.

7/28/2008 1:49:17 PM

Like this?

7/28/2008 1:50:40 PM

^ wow, amazing. That kind of a little though.

7/28/2008 1:52:12 PM

http://news.google.com/nwshp?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1230611291&topic=h

Looks like it has hit the mainstream, worldwide.

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 2:27 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 2:27:24 PM

Maybe it was his way of giving mega-dittos to Maha Rushbo?

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""He did express that frustration, that the liberal movement was getting more jobs," Owen said. "And he felt like he was being kept out of the loop because of his age.""

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/church.shooting/index.html

Did the sheriff allow the guy 15 minutes on the internet instead of his one phone call?

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2008 3:40:18 PM

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"Crazy white conservative atheist guy shoots up church."

See how that works? You can get the point of the thread across, and you can start a legitimate debate without personal attacks or skewing the discussion.

As for:

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"in general when I think internet conservative, I actually picture a late 20s fat white guy chowing down on a Butterfinger, in a desk chair they barely fit in, going somewhat bald, spilling their food on their keyboard as they fumingly type out their i-hate-liberal rants. When I think internet liberal, I pretty much imagine someone like Steve Jobs in a black turtleneck, smoking a pipe, with a glass of wine near them, as they scoff elitist-ly at the Fox-news-esque idiocy."

You can't be serious.

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 3:48 PM. Reason : deleted bracket thingy.]

7/28/2008 3:47:51 PM

^ why would you take that seriously?

And I guess you can figure that most of our discussions don't end up being legitimate, maybe we should try things the other way around

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"Did the sheriff allow the guy 15 minutes on the internet instead of his one phone call? "

Maybe all the guy wanted all along was someone to listen to him. He should have got a computer and started posting on a message board

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 4:01 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 4:00:35 PM

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"He should have got a computer and started posting on a message board "

He speaketh the truth!

7/28/2008 4:20:51 PM

How much you want to bet Westboro Baptist Church will come protest the funerals of the chuch-goers who were shot? In the Westboro church people's eyes, i bet this guy was "doing God's work" because this church was too liberal

7/28/2008 5:50:15 PM

One of many reasons I tell fellow democrats/liberals/progressives why they should own a gun and support gun rights...

Do you really want *THEM* to have a monopoly on guns????

7/28/2008 6:49:46 PM

I dont agree with the assessment of hooksaw.

i think hes somewhat of a tragic figure: misguided, and probably going to give himself ulcers... and i do think his "issues" often point him towards the lunatic fringe... but I don't see him as particularly religious or violent. one day i might even just meet him and have a beer or two.


also, this is really off base:

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"moron : in general when I think internet conservative, I actually picture a late 20s fat white guy chowing down on a Butterfinger, in a desk chair they barely fit in, going somewhat bald, spilling their food on their keyboard as they fumingly type out their i-hate-liberal rants. When I think internet liberal, I pretty much imagine someone like Steve Jobs in a black turtleneck, smoking a pipe, with a glass of wine near them, as they scoff elitist-ly at the Fox-news-esque idiocy."

the problem with that is, speaking for myself as a so-called "internet liberal", i am about 10-20 pounds overweight w/ receding hairline and can be found eating cheetos and drinking diet soda as I fumingly type out my "Dammit-I-hate-you-Faux-News-loving-asshole-fundie-nutjobs" rants.

I mean, seriously.







and finally, before i forget ...

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"One of many reasons I tell fellow democrats/liberals/progressives why they should own a gun and support gun rights..."

word to that.







[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 7:33 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 7:17:49 PM

More info on the crazy shooter:

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"Adkisson, who faces his next court hearing Aug. 5, was on active duty with the Army beginning in 1974. ... Adkisson "stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of the major media outlets," Investigator Steve Still wrote ... Adkisson was a loner who hates "blacks, gays and anyone different from him," longtime acquaintance Carol Smallwood of Alice, Texas, told the Knoxville News Sentinel. ... The police chief said the suspect bought the shotgun at a pawn shop about a month ago, and he wrote the letter in the last week or so. A .38-caliber handgun was found in his home. "

This guy is like every soap box thread we've ever had, wrapped in to one news story.

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 9:15 PM. Reason : http://newsok.com/article/3104088/?pg=2]

7/28/2008 9:15:17 PM

I always assumed hooksaw had less hair

7/28/2008 9:26:31 PM

wait wait wait.

this guy was on Active Duty in the Army? beginning in 1974??? what's that make him now? Command Sergeant Major? Lieutenant General?

whatever he was, he must be in the Special Forces if they let him keep that hippie hairdo and pornstache.






[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 10:02:50 PM

Great thread.

Well done, moron.

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"^^^^ Fuck you, you little piece of shit motherfucker. How dare you place me in the same post as that crazy fucker!!!1 GOD DAMN YOU! You should be suspended for a while that shit--it's fucking uncalled for and totally inappropriate. And I'm telling you right now that I'm taking it up with Duke and/or marko. FTR--not that I have to explain one goddamned thing to you, you fucking little cuntstain--as a part of my pre-marriage counseling sessions, we discussed religion and all sorts of topics with our officiant. We determined that if we were to go to a church based on our beliefs, it would be a Unitarian church. I swear, I'm so pissed at you, you little fucker. GOD DAMN YOU!!!1 "

QFT

7/28/2008 11:34:40 PM

lollllllz to this thread

7/28/2008 11:41:25 PM

hooksaw

jesus

christ.

chill the fuck out.

7/29/2008 1:07:03 AM

Apparently he was an athiest and couldn't deal with it

7/29/2008 8:58:53 AM

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

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"Adkisson told officers he left the house unlocked for them because "he expected to be killed during the assault." Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly."

7/29/2008 9:10:01 AM

i wonder if o'reilly is going to rack this guy over the coals like he would if they found rap, rock, or video games

7/29/2008 9:29:45 AM

what? no copy of the Turner Diaries?

7/29/2008 2:29:49 PM

im sure he must have had a copy or two of Ann Coulter.

7/29/2008 2:52:10 PM

I really want to contribute to the thread but I'm worried that if I do hooksaw will have a stroke...either that, or call me a cunt and post a picture of goatse.

7/29/2008 3:26:41 PM

you know, what's sad is this would have been a good thread to make fun of right wing Faux News nutjobs until you all shit it up with some really out of line personal attacks on one guy.

now its like a war crime happened here

we'll have more fun making Jew jokes at the Holocaust Museum.

7/29/2008 6:06:09 PM

yo hooksaw

get closer to the screen


little closer






little closer

















you crazy son

7/29/2008 10:05:12 PM

^^ there's no way this story would have come up here without someone INEVITABLY drawing a comparison to hooksaw (hooksaw is famous for his liberal-media rants). If someone else made the thread, I probably would have drawn the comparison, and I know via a PM if I had left that line out, someone else would have said something similar (but more direct). In a way, i feel I have spared him, by getting it out of the way in what I felt was a very gentle manner.

7/30/2008 1:38:20 AM

that's enough about hooksaw.

yeah, he's fucking unstable, we get it. this is news to no one, and there are threads elsewhere to talk about it if you want.

now, back to discussing the douchebag retard who shot up a bunch of Unitarian quacks.

7/30/2008 2:04:26 AM

so hows your trip going? are you still on the road, or are you back in NC now?




[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM. Reason : ]

7/30/2008 2:06:22 AM

so i went to the UU church on wade avenue once. it was a bunch of fruitcakes. even i couldnt take it. it was birkenstock overload.

i think the day i went they had a "blessing of the pets" people brought their dogs, cats, golfish, iguanas, etc. to be blessed by the reverend (whatever the leader was called).

so damn hard to take it seriously.

i heard the Durham UU church was even worse... that mainly it was a social hangout for super left-wing fags and dykes.

too bad, really, becuase the history of the UU church is rich in American 19th Century Literary History.




[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 2:32 AM. Reason : ]

7/30/2008 2:07:17 AM

yeah, Unitarians are...special.

and I just made it to NC tonight...staying at dad's house

trip went well except for tire problems in bumfuck egypt, south dakota, on saturday night. had one come totally off the rim and another start to have the tread seperate (was missing a piece of tread about the size of my hand)

7/30/2008 2:20:01 AM

ah cool. glad it worked out alright.

i did a lot of work in SD some years back. nothing but cowboys and indians and big empty spaces.

7/30/2008 2:34:27 AM

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"Inside the house, officers found ...."

While rummaging through the UnaBomber's cabin, didn't they find a copy of Al-Gore's book "Earth in the Balance"?

7/30/2008 9:19:17 PM

I have described Universal Unitarianism as brainless, pointless, idiotic, an insulting parody of actual religion, and laughably silly, but I can't honestly say as I've ever called it "homicidal rage-inducing"

7/30/2008 10:17:30 PM

^ yeah, that about sums them up.

7/31/2008 12:15:20 AM

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"so damn hard to take it seriously."

- Some would say that 'blessing' a child by pouring 'holy' tap water on him is a bit hard to take seriously
- Some would say that a priest somehow magically and literally turning bread and wine (grapefruit juice) into the body and blood of a man who died ~1970 years ago is hard to take seriously.
- Oh and then theres that magical underwear thing




Say what you will about the UUs, last I check they haven't had a global child raping controversy amongst the clergy.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 12:32 AM. Reason : ]

7/31/2008 12:31:24 AM

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"so i went to the UU church on wade avenue once. it was a bunch of fruitcakes. even i couldnt take it. it was birkenstock overload. i think the day i went they had a "blessing of the pets" people brought their dogs, cats, golfish, iguanas, etc. to be blessed by the reverend (whatever the leader was called)."

Yeah, the one on Wade Avenue has gone downhill since they got the new pastor. When I was going there about ten years ago it was actually quite nice. The guy at the time would read off a little inspirational whatever, throw in some Bible quotes, we'd sing a song, more inspirational whatever, another song, some announcements of church events, and then finished.

The UU churches up in New England tend to stick closer to their Unitarian roots than the ones in other parts of the country.

7/31/2008 12:47:11 AM

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"I have described Universal Unitarianism as brainless, pointless, idiotic, an insulting parody of actual religion, and laughably silly, but I can't honestly say as I've ever called it "homicidal rage-inducing" "

I always viewed it as a social club for agnostics with a spiritual bend. I can't say I blame them though. The social aspect of church has a lot of good things for families, but without the absurd beliefs actual religions often expect from you.

7/31/2008 1:30:30 AM

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"The UU churches up in New England tend to stick closer to their Unitarian roots "

yeah, see that's all i knew of UU, was from reading the 19th Century Transendentalists like Thoreau and Emerson. so, with that in mind, i go to the UU Church on Wade Ave, and they're so open minded all their brains had fallen out.

i suppose if im ever in Boston or Providence or something like that i might hit one up to see what it's like, for historical purposes, but i have no desire to go to another one otherwise.

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"I have described Universal Unitarianism as brainless, pointless, idiotic, an insulting parody of actual religion, and laughably silly"

the UUs are harmless. they dont proselytize, they don't crusade, and they dont try to take over hollywood institutions. nor do they jump on couches, wait for UFO's, drink poisoned koolaid, or rape little boys.

the worst they do is probably report you to the homeowners association for not mowing your grass often enough, fuss at you for not bagging up your dog's crap from the right of way, or post nastygrams on the condo dumpster about how to properly separate the recyclables from the compostables.





[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 1:43 AM. Reason : ]

7/31/2008 1:32:49 AM

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" "I have described Universal Unitarianism as brainless, pointless, idiotic, an insulting parody of actual religion, and laughably silly "

Quote :

"the UUs are harmless. they dont proselytize, they don't crusade, and they dont try to take over hollywood institutions. nor do they jump on couches, wait for UFO's, drink poisoned koolaid, or rape little boys. the worst they do is probably report you to the homeowners association for not mowing your grass often enough, fuss at you for not bagging up your dog's crap from the right of way, or post nastygrams on the condo dumpster about how to properly separate the recyclables from the compostables"

Quote :

"I always viewed it as a social club for agnostics with a spiritual bend. I can't say I blame them though. The social aspect of church has a lot of good things for families, but without the absurd beliefs actual religions often expect from you. "

7/31/2008 8:27:15 AM