please

so you want to call J out for semi ripping a song title but you won't call Nas out for flat out ripping a Billy Joel song?

nice try

in response to your edit:

a bite is a bite. It doesnt matter what genre of music your in

good grief

[Edited on September 2, 2009 at 12:53 AM. Reason : e]

9/2/2009 12:51:38 AM

^whats your opinion on ghetto techno?

[Edited on September 2, 2009 at 12:55 AM. Reason : i just put it on and that came up first is why i ask]

9/2/2009 12:54:50 AM

prolly got bitten from Nas

9/2/2009 12:55:23 AM

you got a youtube link to back up that accusation?

9/2/2009 12:56:31 AM

how about Jay Z for flat out ripping a KRS album title, and then making 2 sequels?

And no, biting is not biting, get off Chuck D's dick

If Bone and Eazy make a song the same as the Isley Brothers made 20 years earlier, but its basically just taking the song title or hook, its not nearly the same thing some bitch from Brooklyn acting like he's god and better than people like Biggie and Big L, who if they were still alive, Jay would still be some mediocre ass cat

but i've been hatin on jay for like 12 years for being a punk faggot, dont mind me

9/2/2009 12:56:52 AM

you keep it real then

i'll enjoy some good music

9/2/2009 12:59:53 AM

i guess its playing backwards...that forever young song is some honky ass shit

[Edited on September 2, 2009 at 1:01 AM. Reason : but i kinda dig it]

9/2/2009 1:01:42 AM

^^do your thing its all good, just giving my point of view

9/2/2009 1:02:28 AM

^^ ghetto techno aint on the Blueprint 3

maybe as a bonus track apparently?

[Edited on September 2, 2009 at 1:27 AM. Reason : .]

9/2/2009 1:16:39 AM

yeah i got a rar file not a torrent

9/2/2009 1:52:12 AM

Ribs and Dammit100

were you guys around for the 90s?

i suppose not.

cause pretty much everything from 91-98 eats up this shit.

even Questionmark Asylum. and definitely Reasonably Doubt





[Edited on September 2, 2009 at 2:09 AM. Reason : yawn.]

9/2/2009 2:06:25 AM

ghetto techno is a throw away track. he cut that song from the album, it won't be on there, but it's new.

9/2/2009 8:09:05 AM

^^I was. And Reasonable Doubt is fucking CLASSIC. I just don't get how you're shittin on the wordplay in Venus vs. Mars.

9/2/2009 9:41:14 AM

and for the love of god, why does every thread about a new jay-z album or song end up getting flamed by some assclowns going off about "he stole a KRS album title" or some other OLD shit. If you don't like THIS album, talk about THAT here. But I don't go on and on about some random ass underground backpacker in whatever thread might come up, so leave that childish shit alone.

9/2/2009 9:54:29 AM

Quote :

"were you guys around for the 90s? i suppose not."

I was around in the 90's. I agree reasonable (not reasonably lol) doubt is a classic and one of my favorite albums of all time as I am big J fan. However, J is going to be 40 in 3 months and 40 year old's hip hop album is going do sound different, period. Why would you expect him to make still make music like that 13 years later? I think people that don't like this album are trapped in the past a little bit, and I think he makes reference to it lyrically in almost every song. Like he says, if you want one of his old albums, go buy one of his old albums, but he's different now. I don't think for the worse either. Things just change.

keep it 90's holmes

9/2/2009 9:57:57 AM

i kinda like it. doesnt hurt my ears to put the whole album on itunes and clean etc

9/2/2009 1:51:14 PM

Quote :

"why does every thread about a new jay-z album or song end up getting flamed by some assclowns going off about "he stole a KRS album title""

cause many people (not necessarily in this thread, but just in the general public) are sheep that dont realize that jay is a bitch

they hear mtv and the local shitty radio station say he's the best ever and they eat that shit up without doing the knowledge of how jay came up in the rap game

i for one dont care for his lazy monotone style or how he used to rap fast cause he thought big l was the shit, or how he rapped biggie lyrics for multiple bars in his songs, or how he sampled from the motherfucking Annie musical

I respect the shit out of Jay as a business man, legit and back in the day, but I've always thought he was insanely overrated and pretty weak overall compared to all the other cats from his era...he just happened to be the one to blow up

so sometimes when i see a jay z thread, and people are treating him like he's the fucking offspring of Rakim and Kool Herc, I step in and point out that he's not

[Edited on September 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2009 7:26:59 PM

sometimes... fuckin every time. And I'm sorry, I don't care for old school like you do. I'll take Jay over Rakim, Herc, KRS, whoever. I know you'l disagree, and some other old heads will come in and say I don't know shit about rap b/c of that. But it's the same as basketball to me. I'll take Lebron over Elgin Baylor, Jordan over Dr. J, etc...

So we disagree, big deal. No need to keep throwin jabs in Jay threads so that we don't end up talkin about the album, but get bogged down in this dumb shit time after time. But for one last time, I'll tackle your points:

-lazy style: ok, you must not be checking out his catalogue, as he swtiches his flow up all the damn time, w/i songs, w/i albums.

-bit biggie lyrics: THIS SHIT... again, it's not like he's copied whole fuckin songs here. Sure he's used some of BIGs lines, but 1)he's not trying to take credit for it; 2)he's said before he does it as an homage to BIG; and 3)he's not the only rapper (even ones that you like) to use other's lines

-Sampling from Annie: really? that's what put it over the edge for you? really?

9/2/2009 7:45:12 PM

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"he swtiches his flow up all the damn time"

another reason why he gets no love from the underground

theres a difference in having different styles...and just biting shit or switching it up to whatever is popular

and i was already over the edge, still sampling annie was pretty fucking wack

but you already said it best, "so we disagree, big deal"

9/2/2009 7:51:15 PM

Quote :

"and those are weak.... how?? do you understand rap music? or wordplay?"

If understanding rap music entails finding incredibly silly shit like this mac/pc pepsi/coke not silly, then I don't want to understand it.

9/2/2009 10:42:48 PM

to the people who say you cant sound the same after 15 years

fucking raekwon found a way

9/2/2009 10:50:57 PM

yeah, Thank You is my favorite track besides Hate.

9/3/2009 2:28:57 PM

Quote :

"or how he sampled from the motherfucking Annie musical"

i, too, hate creative, funny samples

9/3/2009 2:32:05 PM

oh yeah, and that swizz beats track is one of the strongest beats ive heard from him in a while, besides top down

9/3/2009 2:41:26 PM

just listened to this album

it blew a big bag of dicks

[Edited on September 3, 2009 at 10:58 PM. Reason : sp]

9/3/2009 10:58:14 PM

^lies.

9/4/2009 12:38:36 AM

Quote :

""he swtiches his flow up all the damn time" another reason why he gets no love from the underground theres a difference in having different styles...and just biting shit or switching it up to whatever is popular and i was already over the edge, still sampling annie was pretty fucking wack but you already said it best, "so we disagree, big deal""

where i come from that's called versatility and generally considered a good thing.

while i think it's necessary to pay homage to the greats i can't believe you guys are so resistant to the evolution of hiphop. everything has become more complex, from production, to lyrics to marketing yourself as an artist. Jay-z has proven himself time and time again in every area.

not only is bp3 a fantastic album from a musical stand point, i love the social consciousness he's managed to hide within the album. He addresses problems with the hip hop genre and the urban culture in general and i love it.

[Edited on September 7, 2009 at 8:28 AM. Reason : .]

9/7/2009 8:27:31 AM

ob4cl2>>bp3

9/7/2009 11:07:40 AM

pffffhahahhahah I really typed "reasonably"

9/7/2009 3:16:41 PM

and i'm not really making claims about Jay being any worse than he was in 96.

it's more of a commentary on current rap as compared to just about anything released between 89 and 98. if i were to really sit and recollect everything for an hour or so, i could name for you 50 albums that were better than just about anything released in the past 10 years.

and i really feel that it's because there was a lot more honesty to it, and it was still a relatively (ok, very) fresh artform. now, i can honestly make the claim that it is 95% money making. and the formula for doing so within hip hop is pretty damned simple, as opposed to back then....lyrically, at least. I can still find a lot of beats i rather like for the most part, but MCs are straight out fucking lazy now. generally speaking.

[Edited on September 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM. Reason : afsasdssss]

9/7/2009 3:19:57 PM

i really like "empire state of mind." Alicia Keys kills the hook

not loving the rest of it so far. "thank you" was probably my second favorite. i do not like "hate" at all

9/7/2009 8:11:47 PM

Quote :

"if i were to really sit and recollect everything for an hour or so, i could name for you 50 albums that were better than just about anything released in the past 10 years."

I could pick out 5 albums a year from '99 to '09 that would stand up to anything you would put on that list.

lets be reasonably here

9/8/2009 8:57:15 AM

Everytime I hear So Ambitious the part with Alicia Keys reminds me of the background music in Jesus Walks.

9/9/2009 8:53:15 PM

^^ ooh, that would be tough for some of those years! not trying to be a dick, i'm just trying to think through this myself...iirc, 2002 was a pretty awful year for rap albums (but not the only one). and i can't really think of anything from that year that i still listen to regularly (except maybe "phrenology"). whereas i remember a single day in 1998 that had the releases of "stankonia", "in my lifetime vol III", and black star's first album.

anyhow, bp3 is decent, i'm giving it some spins, but it's not really a classic or anything. the song with jeezy is really starting to grow on me...

9/9/2009 9:06:18 PM

Quote :

"stankonia"

Quote :

"1998"

wut

[Edited on September 9, 2009 at 9:57 PM. Reason : .]

9/9/2009 9:57:29 PM

there's just too much incorrect informaion on this page to take anyone seriously

9/9/2009 11:00:00 PM

^ way to add to the conversation broski

oh and just for shits and giggles here are 5 albums from '02

Scarface - The Fix
Nas - God's Son
Eminem- The Eminem Show
Clipse - Lord Willin'
Jay-Z - Blueprint 2


[Edited on September 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM. Reason : ( . )( . )]

9/9/2009 11:37:22 PM

bp2 was garbage

9/9/2009 11:47:58 PM

I threw it in since this is a J thread

Here's two more from '02 though:

Cam'ron - Come Home With Me
Mega - The True Meaning

[Edited on September 10, 2009 at 12:04 AM. Reason : thread]

9/10/2009 12:03:42 AM

^ x5, my bad, it was "aquemini", not "stankonia". and i screwed up the jay-z, it was "vol 2 hard knock life". but i'm getting old and album titles blend together. either way, sep 29, 1998 was ridiculous. brand nubian "the foundation" came out that day as well, i dropped $50 at record exchange for these 3 cd's + black star. hurt that student budget!

and ribs, i hear you, nas, scarface, and the clipse had solid albums in 2002 as well. i forgot about "the fix", was definitely in heavy rotation for a while. but even with those albums, if you were to match that year up against years in the early/mid 90's, it wouldn't be close. let me go wth 1994 - biggie's "ready to die", outkast "southernplayalistic...", nas' "illmatic", common's "resurrection", method man's "tical", scarface "the diary", redman "dare iz a darkside", gang starr "hard to earn", pete rock and cl smooth "the main ingredient"...and the list could go on. just seems that everyone today pretty much raps about the same stuff in pretty much the same way - not that people aren't as talented as in the 1990s, but the diversity isn't what it used to be (or at least you have to dig WAY deeper to find it).

[Edited on September 10, 2009 at 12:43 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 10, 2009 at 12:45 AM. Reason : ..]

9/10/2009 12:42:30 AM

Quote :

"Cam'ron - Come Home With Me"

lost all credibility.

9/10/2009 1:02:23 AM

I hope you're kidding

that Cam album is fucking fire

9/10/2009 9:33:19 AM

false

9/10/2009 12:04:43 PM

alright all you trolls win

J sucks
BP3 sucks
new music sucks
whatever yall like is great

feel better now?

9/10/2009 12:06:59 PM

no, I'm a Jay-Z fan. But Cam's come home with me was NOT a great album

9/10/2009 12:38:10 PM

you know what was clearly one of the best albums of the decade that none of you mentioned yet? fucking Supreme Clientele

9/10/2009 12:54:56 PM

and he even mentions Raleigh on that album!

9/10/2009 1:10:48 PM

Quote :

"Cam's come home with me was NOT a great album"

in your opinion

That's why this thread sucks so bad. Everyone's opinion of what is good is different. Dammit and I agree that the album in question, BP3, is good. Yet, we can't stay on topic cause all these dicks shits come in here making sure that their opinion of J must be known.

We fuckin get it.

Go make a "we hate Jay-Z" thread

[Edited on September 10, 2009 at 4:50 PM. Reason : reasonably]

9/10/2009 4:47:11 PM

whoa whoa! i actually have always been a fan of Jay-Z, the original Blueprint is one of my favorite albums of all time. dude makes enjoyable music, and i think bp3 is one of the better releases this year. can always count on him for a few bangers on every album, and this one is definitely better than kingdom come or some of his others. word up.

9/10/2009 7:22:43 PM

didnt read the thread



gonna buy the album

9/11/2009 4:12:00 AM