i agree that the article is stupid...just trying to rile people up. TOB will do fine at NCSU

however, to say that PJ is overrated, or to rag on navy for their schedule, or any of that other crap makes you people sound just like the naysayers who dissed florida over hiring urban meyer (oh, the sec defenses are too fast, huh? the gimmick offense won't work in a BCS conference, huh?)

and i'm sure there won't be any pro-quality running backs wanting to play in an offensive system that lead the country in rushing for 3 straight years...i mean he only developed one guy at navy into a backup for the patriots

[Edited on August 13, 2008 at 7:24 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2008 7:23:16 PM

we'll find out soon enough.

personally, i don't think he'll have that much success. i don't think they'll be bad, but i don't think he'll take gt to any next level or national contention.

8/13/2008 8:28:28 PM

First off comparing PJ to Urban Meyer is ridiculous, taking Utah to a BCS game is way more impressive than winning some bowl games at Navy. Secondly, Navy lead the country in rushing for 3 years because they run like 3 passing plays per game...any school who almost never throws the ball can rack up a ton of rushing yards.

8/13/2008 8:47:34 PM

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"North Carolina State couldn't be more unlucky."

This I agree with

8/13/2008 9:20:01 PM

This guy is a horrible cunt. Please to not link to his articles anymore. thx.

8/13/2008 10:52:07 PM

^dude, i've apologized twice, i should've known better. wouldn't bother me to lock it up.

8/13/2008 10:55:07 PM

^I didn't read the thread/article, or even look to see who posted it. Don't sweat it.

8/13/2008 10:59:26 PM

armorfrsleepit's funny because on page 1 you pimped TOB for his run of 2nd and 3rd tier bowl games, but dismissed PJ for his. and yes i think it's just as impressive to win 10 games in a season, beat notre dame, win 5 straight CiC trophies, and go to 5 straight bowl games at navy as it is for utah to go to a bcs bowl game

PS last year Navy was also 22nd in total offense and 10th in scoring offense. oh, and 14th in passing efficiency

[Edited on August 13, 2008 at 11:19 PM. Reason : ,]

8/13/2008 11:02:11 PM

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"armorfrsleepit's funny because on page 1 you pimped TOB for his run of 2nd and 3rd tier bowl games, but dismissed PJ for his. and don't forget PJ outcoached TOB in a bowl game and nearly won with clearly inferior talent PS last year Navy was also 22nd in total offense and 10th in scoring offense. oh, and 14th in passing efficiency i was going to write a lot of other shit, but then it occurred to me you're just ignorant and it would be a waste of time. "

Im not trying to call you out or anything here, so dont get pissed at me.

But, TOB was not coaching in that Navy/BC bowl game, we already hired him away and the D coordinator was at the helm.

As far as navy goes, they werent bad, but the pass efficiency, your going to have a higher efficiency when you only do like 5 passes per game.

8/13/2008 11:19:24 PM

i realized that and went to edit...you got me

well, i guess i can put it like this...navy got 1700 less yards than NC State did last year on 366 less passes....when navy did attempt a pass, they averaged over 9 yards per attempt

i honestly don't know why i bother...i was pissed when state didn't hire PJ as i knew he was bound to leave navy...i was more aggravated when another acc team did. i guess you'd have to have suffered through the shitty navy football of the last 1990's and early 2000's as a student and alumni to realize just how amazing a job he did there

[Edited on August 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2008 11:20:56 PM

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"you pimped TOB for his run of 2nd and 3rd tier bowl games"

That has everything to do with BC's shitty fan base and nothing to do with TOB's coaching ability (they won 10 games this past regular season under a different coach and still went to a garbage bowl)

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"i think it's just as impressive to win 10 games in a season, beat notre dame, win 5 straight CiC trophies, and go to 5 straight bowl games at navy as it is for utah to go to a bcs bowl game"

you are fucking stupid then, wow they beat one of the worst Notre Dame teams in history thats real impressive, and they got to all those bowls by playing a bunch of shitty teams constantly (their strength of schedule last season was 107 out of 119 DI teams). Coaching an unbeaten Utah team and winning a BCS game there obviously blows any of PJ's accomplishments out of the water.

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"oh, and 14th in passing efficiency"

it's easy to be super efficient in passing if you only throw the ball 5 times a game

[Edited on August 13, 2008 at 11:32 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2008 11:28:26 PM

dude, there is no reason for navy to ever beat notre dame, no matter how bad ND is...notre dame consistently has bigger, faster, stronger, etc players than navy. as PJ said once, ND has 25 parade all americans, navy has 25 guys who march in parades. not to mention the fact that navy beat notre dame despite having the worst defense they ever had under PJ

and just to be clear, you continue to ding a coach who runs more than passes, regardless of the fact that when he runs, he puts up 50 more yards per game than any other team and when he passes he nearly averages a first down per ATTEMPT?

and let's not forget...urban meyer won that fiesta bowl with a #1 draft pick at QB...navy won their games with MAYBE a dozen 2-star recruits. look, it's clear you have no understanding of the severe limitations service academy sports have and how impressive it is for them to win games, regardless of their strength of schedule

[Edited on August 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2008 11:37:04 PM

Dude, I'm not saying he's a bad coach or anything close to that, but don't be a homer and act like he's the second coming of Bear Bryant. Let's not forget that Notre Dame team also lost to Air Force and got blown the fuck out by a very mediocre Georgia Tech team, so you can ramble all you want about service academy limitations or the lack of 5 star players but it's not going to make beating a 3-9 Notre Dame team seem super impressive.

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"urban meyer won that fiesta bowl with a #1 draft pick at QB"

Urban Meyer made Alex Smith the #1 draft pick, it's not like he was an All-American coming out of high school or anything

Again, I don't think Paul Johnson is a bad coach by any stretch, I just don't think he was the right fit here and I'm not convinced he's going to be very successful in a BCS conference running a triple option offense.

8/14/2008 12:02:54 AM

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"notre dame consistently has bigger, faster, stronger, etc players than navy"

this was true up until 5-6 years ago...ND's talent has gone to shit...whens the last time they won a bowl game? blue chip kids dont look at it like they used to

8/14/2008 12:10:37 AM

now I hate ND more than anything in the world, but their talent is still WAY above Navy

8/14/2008 12:12:57 AM

is it really? maybe Weis will get things back on the upswing but did you see them play last year? speed is something they did not have

they probably still have better talent than Navy, but not by much anymore

[Edited on August 14, 2008 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

8/14/2008 12:14:01 AM

not saying they are doing anything with the talent, but just pure talent, they are loaded compared to Navy. Clausen played like shit but he alone probably has more talent than all of Navy's QBs put together

8/14/2008 12:16:12 AM

they still have good talent at some of the skill positions, but everywhere else the cupboard is kinda bare...all the ballers go to an SEC school or a sunny Florida or California school...it could turn around but compared to their storied past, they are a bad football team right now...i do think they'll win 8-9 games this year though...but maybe I have too much confidence in Weis

8/14/2008 12:17:40 AM

O'Doyel rules

8/14/2008 12:18:51 AM

^^ yes you do... they will be lucky to go .500

8/14/2008 12:22:24 AM

I mean they play UNC... UNC sucks.

8/14/2008 12:25:28 AM

Notre Dame is a has been. They will never see the glory they once had.

If notre dame was a city, it would be detroit.

8/14/2008 9:02:09 AM

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"this was true up until 5-6 years ago...ND's talent has gone to shit...whens the last time they won a bowl game? blue chip kids dont look at it like they used to"

Scout.com/Rivals/Scout.inc disagree with you based on recruiting classes. But ND really was terrible last year. I don't get it.

8/14/2008 9:20:15 AM

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"nor can you really confirm it..."

Rofl, you're a fucking genius I tell ya. You mean, if he isn't our coach, we can't confirm it? Holy fuck, brilliant! Stop being the dumb ass you are. The guy was born in NC and has degrees from WCU and App. I think it's a given he'd be more passionate about us than a wet noodle near retirement. Retard.

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"Look who made that post....It is State409c or Chance... He was probably trolling like usual."

You really can't be helped if your so scared of being trolled that you can't read a plain comment like I wrote and think that its trolling. For fucks sake, stop being fags.

8/14/2008 9:51:04 AM

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"The guy was born in NC and has degrees from WCU and App"

omg lets hire John Bunting, the guy has a degree from UNC! Thats an even closer school to State than WCU or App! Therefore you can't deny he'd be a better coach than TOB! You're fucking smart!

8/14/2008 10:23:17 AM

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"than a wet noodle near retirement"

wow, i didnt know that a decade was near retirement
a marine is a wet noodle....id love to see your dumb ass call him that to his face

8/14/2008 10:35:59 AM

^HA! TOB would probably stare a hole right through his face. To echo what you said, in the interview with Packman, in response to Packman saying something like, "given what NC State needs... I think you're the perfect fit for NC State," TOB said, "Well I hope I am, b/c I'd like to be here for a long time!"

That comment is at a little over 1/2 way through:

http://www.wfnz.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=2825232

8/14/2008 10:49:05 AM

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"wow, i didnt know that a decade was near retirement a marine is a wet noodle....id love to see your dumb ass call him that to his face"

If you want to be real technical, he is a half a decade to retirement.

Do you watch his interviews at all? The comparisons to Herb in regards to personality and exciting the fan base are apt. I don't know that PJ is any more animated, but he certainly can't be any less animated. And if you think TOB is going to be coaching at NCSU for 10 years, then you're even more retarded than I imagined. The point was, he is older than PJ, he is nearing the end of his coaching years, and he is certainly less incentivized than PJ to really embrace what it means to be a Wolfpacker.

And you'd love to see me call him that to his face? Are you just a bitch because, or do you really not have anything useful to say? I'm a TOB fan you ass clown. But unlike you, I can be a TOB fan AND simultaneously entertain the thought of PJ as our coach or think of comparisons between the two. I can't help that you don't seem to have much capability to process thoughts in any constructive manner and you'd rather pop your pretty little vagina shaped mouth off with comments likes that.

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"omg lets hire John Bunting, the guy has a degree from UNC! Thats an even closer school to State than WCU or App! Therefore you can't deny he'd be a better coach than TOB!"

This has got to be one of the most idiotic things and analogies I've ever seen you make. And that's saying alot because you're generally full of them. Please, stabs rusty nails into your face and die of tetanus.

8/14/2008 12:12:34 PM

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"You really can't deny that PJ might have been a better Wolpacker than TOB"

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"he is certainly less incentivized than PJ to really embrace what it means to be a Wolfpacker. "

i enjoy talking directly out of my ass

8/14/2008 12:23:50 PM

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""he is certainly less incentivized than PJ to really embrace what it means to be a Wolfpacker."

speculate much?

8/14/2008 12:25:40 PM

^^^ because we all know how great animated coaches have turned out for us

we needed a no-bullshit coach who would at least instill some discipline into our program

[Edited on August 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2008 12:26:01 PM

^DING DING DING!

8/14/2008 12:29:32 PM

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"speculate much?"

Do you know what incentivized means? Maybe I should have changed it to "inclined", or any other word. It doesn't even have to do with speculation. It's just a laying out of the facts and seeing that the path for PJ to become an ardent Wolfpacker is certainly more clear cut than for Tom O'Brien.

Please, please try to stay up. I'm not that smart of a guy about some of this stuff, but you're making me look like a genius. It isn't trolling, it's how I honestly feel.

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"because we all know how great animated coaches have turned out for us "

Rofl. You guys are just geniuses. Really. I didn't realize a coaches win/loss record factored into how big of a pure in the blood Wolfpacker they were. I...just didn't realize it.

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"we needed a no-bullshit coach who would at least instill some discipline into our program "

I agree.

8/14/2008 12:34:33 PM

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"It's just a laying out of the facts and seeing that the path for PJ to become an ardent Wolfpacker is certainly more clear cut than for Tom O'Brien."

i'd tell you to shoot yourself in the head, but it appears you've already done so

8/14/2008 12:36:59 PM

I honestly have no idea what that has to do with what you quoted.

8/14/2008 12:39:49 PM

fuck Paul Johnson

8/14/2008 12:41:39 PM

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"PURE IN THE BLOOD WOLFPACKER"

8/14/2008 12:41:39 PM

and the award for the most idiotic sports talk poster goes to...TroleTacks

I would try to address some of the "points" he's making but it would be like arguing with an autistic kid, you say something valid and they just scream and yell

8/14/2008 1:55:48 PM

guys, he's trolling you.

8/14/2008 2:11:31 PM

Worst page of rabble in Sports Talk history.

8/14/2008 3:01:31 PM

Gregg Doyel : National Media :: TroleTacks : TWW Sports Talk

8/14/2008 3:09:12 PM

yall do know be won 2 championships at georgia southern right? i mean yeah its not BCS, but he's won with shitty talent wherever he's been. imagine what he can do with GT's recruiting power

8/14/2008 5:02:24 PM

the thing about his system is it, more or less, relies on defense being bad and slow.

urban meyer and his spread is a bad example, b/c that relies on players being fast. give him faster players and it'll get better.

i think if you give paul johnson better defenses, his system'll get worse. but i could be wrong, we'll see.

8/14/2008 5:07:13 PM

ahahahahahahahaha

wow, just wow...what a fucking retarded statement

8/14/2008 7:33:39 PM

anybody want doyels cell #? pm me for details

8/14/2008 7:49:38 PM

they will the day

8/14/2008 8:23:37 PM

haha http://www.bitcheswhoparty.com is the source for the image

8/14/2008 8:47:31 PM

damn dude, I realize you're in love with Paul Johnson and everything but come off it

[Edited on August 14, 2008 at 9:07 PM. Reason : in reference to ^^^^]

8/14/2008 8:59:05 PM

see guys, i told you all the pissed off people makes him happy.. this message is from Gregg Doyle himself:

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"I just received an email about my story being on your boards. I love it. But I'd appreciate it if you would take down most of the cut-and-paste version of the story -- the first few grafs are fine -- and if anyone wants to read it, here's the link."

so i'm taking most of the story down, per nael, but also, that means he's looking for page hits, which I really think we should not be giving to him at all. don't go over there reading the full story.

8/14/2008 9:12:45 PM

dude, being "in love" with PJ and laughing my ass off at some moron who thinks the offense only works against slow and bad defenses are two completely different things

8/14/2008 9:24:53 PM