Good luck McCain, you'll need it.

8/23/2008 3:57:20 PM

^ hahaha yah. it was all over when Obama chose JOE BIDEN as his running mate.

The gaffe machine and the guy who only months ago who said, like John McCain, that Obama was unfit to lead.

THIS is what sealed the deal.

8/23/2008 4:03:51 PM

^ how about you all hold off on criticizing Biden for what he said about Obama during the primaries when he, himself, was trying to be President, until McCain announces his selection. I would be extremely surprised if whoever McCain picks has never criticized McCain - first off, nearly any Republican in the past 12 years has had bad things to say about McCain because of this "maverick style", and second, if he picks anyone who was in the primaries earlier, of course they will criticize each other if only to trump up their own case.

8/23/2008 4:51:48 PM

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"how about you all hold off on criticizing Biden for what he said about Obama during the primaries when he, himself, was trying to be President, until McCain announces his selection."

Exactly what I was going to say. I hear those statements as Biden saying "he's not as qualified as me" as opposed "he isn't qualified period." If he were to use the first statement instead, it would seem as though he was somewhat endorsing a fellow primary candidate. Conservatives seem to be jumping on this statement which I believe was more of a campaign tactic and point as to Biden's experience as opposed to Obama's inability to be President.

8/23/2008 5:14:44 PM

Haha you think what Biden said about Obama was off putting, wait til you hear what will happen if McCain picks Mittens...the dude railed into McCain far worse than this.

8/23/2008 5:31:44 PM

Quote :

"John McCain’s presidential campaign, playing an aggressive version of the expectations game, circulated a campaign memo predicting Barack Obama will get a nearly 15-point bump in the opinion polls as a result of next week’s Democratic Convention."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/22/mccain-campaign-predicts-huge-post-convention-bump-for-obama

8/23/2008 6:06:25 PM

they're just taking the "most extreme" case in case it comes to fruition

better to over prepare instead of under prepare

i would hope obama's campaign has a plan should russia keep chest-thumping and gas keeps lowering in price around the same time as the republican convention

8/23/2008 6:19:27 PM

haha. you like Obama for his "positive international standing." Who cares if the guy fucks us over, as long as every one else likes us, right?

8/23/2008 6:28:32 PM

I made one point about a positive quality of Obama’s that would have synergy with a quality of his VP choice.

Obviously I wasn’t imply that was the only attribute that I like about Obama.

And obviously I’m not taking the position that as long as someone has a positive international standing that they need nothing else to be qualified for the executive position.

But go ahead and have your “haha” if you really found your intentional misunderstanding of what I said so funny.

8/23/2008 6:59:50 PM

^ okay. hahahaha

8/23/2008 7:06:18 PM

i'm not sure I understand the "Runners Up" section of http://www.johnmccain.com/offmessageman/
what are they trying to say with all the big "REJECTED" labels? just trying to show what losers these people are?
i mean, only one person could be selected, so technically, yeah, everyone else except Biden is "rejected", but i don't know why McCain would highlight that or gloat about it or whatever....


[Edited on August 23, 2008 at 8:06 PM. Reason : .]

8/23/2008 8:06:30 PM

Capitalizing Every Word In Every Bullet Is So 1990s

8/23/2008 8:17:39 PM

President Biden

oops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RElChQ6g2Io

8/23/2008 8:22:06 PM

^ Conspiracy theory ++

8/23/2008 11:04:43 PM

agent, I think they are trying to remind Hillary supporters that she was REJECTED by Obama.

They added the rest to make it a little more subtle.

[Edited on August 24, 2008 at 12:25 AM. Reason : ``]

8/24/2008 12:22:47 AM

arent like 90 percent of clintons supports gonna vote for obama anywho?

8/24/2008 1:24:40 AM

^ can't blame a nigga for trying.

8/24/2008 2:20:38 AM

Obama is very smart. Picking an experienced white working-class Catholic is a sensible decision and a welcomed stress relief for the entire campaign. Based on his VP selection, Obama’s political mentality appears reminiscent of Lincoln's great foresight of selecting partners that challenged his views instead of providing consistent conformity to the current status quo. A leader in his own right, Biden has a distinctive record of communicating his point until it’s fully understood. He is exactly what the Obama Campaign needs versus any McCain ticket. McCain's VP runs the risk of appearing less significant, too similar to McCain himself and consequently less risky politically which may exhibit drawbacks. McCain might decide on another hawk as VP to seal the deal in regards to military experience. If this happens, the VP will help counteract Obama’s approaching political momentum by reinforcing the defense image of the ticket while allowing the VP’s agenda to sway voters aligned to the right. This move would open the door for McCain to drift towards the center in order to sway independents. The GOP advance will require a degree of hypersensitivity, because Obama has shaped the sleeping giant ticket in every sense of the word. Regardless of what you think, Thursday night will be a first in American history. The first black nominee for president will give his acceptance speech at the convention in Denver, 45 years to the day since Martin Luther King’s historic “I have a dream” speech. I seriously doubt the GOP has any significant preparation to balance the power of such an awe-inspiring event. This phenomenal political feat will give birth to the platform of the Obama Campaign as a political juggernaut. Good luck McCain, you will need it.

8/24/2008 9:07:46 AM

He gave Raiden the nod.

8/24/2008 10:27:28 AM

here is an interesting fact, since 1920, the shorter candidate in a presidential election has won only 5 times (Coolidge, Nixon, Carter, and Bush 43).

8/24/2008 11:00:14 AM

Quote :

"Obama is very smart. Picking an experienced white working-class Catholic is a sensible decision and a welcomed stress relief for the entire campaign. Based on his VP selection, Obama’s political mentality appears reminiscent of Lincoln's great foresight of selecting partners that challenged his views instead of providing consistent conformity to the current status quo."

-Stimwalt

Um, In the election of 1864, Lincoln actually chose a VP from the opposing party. Obama has chosen a Democrat with a similarly partisan record. There is nothing unusually Lincoln-esque about this decision.

During the primaries, Biden of course criticized Obama. That makes for some great politics for John McCain (like I said, the videos are hilarious), but even then most of Biden's critiques were based on Obama's lack of experience rather than major policy differences (especially on domestic policy where the two are even more similar).

If anything, this pick is more akin to Bush's selection of Dick Cheney in 2000. An "outsider" candidate that wants to "change Washington", but has shaky foreign policy credentials, selects a Washington "insider" VP that has broadly similar views and a solid-foreign policy background to help compensate for his own lack of experience.

This is just one more Bush parallel you can add to the growing laundry list. But, like with the Republicans in 2000, the focus usually lands on personality rather than policy. "I'd much rather have a beer bowl of arugula with this guy." Bah.

[Edited on August 24, 2008 at 11:13 AM. Reason : ``]

8/24/2008 11:07:42 AM

Socks you've gotta be doing this for the lulz at this point.

8/24/2008 11:18:32 AM

wow, i did not know any of this about Biden

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" The Obama vice-presidential talking points stress that Biden is not part of that derided species called "Washington insiders" because he takes the train home to Wilmington, Del., every night the Senate is in session. Rarely has a politician's route home been such a political selling point, but in Biden's case it speaks to a larger biographical truth. Biden established this unorthodox routine to be with his two young sons after his wife and infant daughter were killed in a car crash just a month after his 1972 upset victory to the Senate. Biden's oldest son, Beau, now the attorney general of Delaware, is scheduled to be deployed to Iraq with his National Guard unit in October. "

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/08/23/biden

8/24/2008 12:22:05 PM

BARACK AMERICA!!

8/24/2008 2:12:50 PM

Quote :

"this pick is more akin to Bush's selection of Dick Cheney in 2000"

yeah i posted that like 2 days ago

8/24/2008 7:34:48 PM

Quote :

"If anything, this pick is more akin to Bush's selection of Dick Cheney in 2000. An "outsider" candidate that wants to "change Washington", but has shaky foreign policy credentials, selects a Washington "insider" VP that has broadly similar views and a solid-foreign policy background to help compensate for his own lack of experience. This is just one more Bush parallel you can add to the growing laundry list. But, like with the Republicans in 2000, the focus usually lands on personality rather than policy. "I'd much rather have a beer bowl of arugula with this guy." Bah."

You are truly gifted to be able to type those 2 paragraphs in the same post, adjacent to each other no less.

8/25/2008 12:28:22 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121962207012167649.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

i liked this article

8/25/2008 10:23:43 AM

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"Um, In the election of 1864, Lincoln actually chose a VP from the opposing party. Obama has chosen a Democrat with a similarly partisan record. There is nothing unusually Lincoln-esque about this decision."

An unequivocal direct parellel? Of course not.

Reminiscent? Yes.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auFdzt9Pbsrk&refer=worldwide

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26379521/

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 10:32 AM. Reason : -]

8/25/2008 10:27:42 AM

The interesting question will be whether Barack Obama can control Biden, or if Biden will run amok like Dick Cheney did. Given how Obama described his perceived role for Biden in his administration, it really does sound very much like the current arrangement.

8/25/2008 10:34:01 AM

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"Who won millions of votes but isn't on the ticket?” the ad says. “Why? For speaking the truth."

Obama pwnt by McCain

8/25/2008 11:02:44 AM

haha how is that mccain "pwnting" obama? i mean really

8/25/2008 11:23:24 AM

yeah, i wasn't clear on that one either....

8/25/2008 11:24:53 AM

Was Biden in a heated race for the Democratic nomination over the last year? did Biden win numerous states? Its more proof that theres crazy divide in the Democrat party, specifically between Clinton and Obama, but I shouldn't even both wasting my time trying to explain that to Obama supporters, you probably believe Hillary when she says she fully supports the Biden choice

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:32 AM. Reason : edit]

8/25/2008 11:31:05 AM

and that matters?

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:32 AM. Reason : lol u always got to edit]

8/25/2008 11:31:54 AM

it doesnt matter to someone whos blindly voting for obama regardless

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:33 AM. Reason : lol you replied less than a minute after i posted, maybe i wasnt done yet]

8/25/2008 11:32:55 AM

The only people upset that Hillary got off the ticket are menopausal cat ladies, Socks, and Hillary herself

8/25/2008 11:34:49 AM

you guys seem to have a hard time understanding that there is only one winner for the primaries, and that technically, yes, any Democrat who is not Obama is a "loser". But he had to pick someone.

The exact same thing is going to happen whenever McCain makes his choice. By definition, McCain was the Republican winner by a landslide, so anyone else he chooses (if they were in the primaries, like Romney, Huckabee, Guliani, etc) was a loser. But BFD - who cares?

8/25/2008 11:35:10 AM

^^really is that it? i couldve sworn Obama's nomination took a lot longer than say McCain's since Hillary had so much support...but you're absolutely right it was just some cat ladies

Seems to me like Obama had one chance to get the support of many of the original Hillary supporters, and he didn't do it

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

8/25/2008 11:36:16 AM

Quote :

"it doesnt matter to someone whos blindly voting for obama regardless"

same goes for people blindly voting mccain

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM. Reason : theres probably a lot more of those than people "blindly" voting for obama...imo]

8/25/2008 11:37:44 AM

Quote :

"theres probably a lot more of those than people "blindly" voting for obama"

whoever wins the election will be the candidate with the most people blindly voting for them, thats a fucking fact

8/25/2008 11:39:04 AM

not to mention mccain only needed like 1000 delegates to secure the nomination

8/25/2008 11:39:39 AM

the point is, only a few months ago there was a pretty large divide in the Democratic party amongst Hillary supporters and Obama supporters...I remember seeing some Obama supporters on TWW say "if Clinton gets the nomination I'll vote for McCain" or Obama supporters saying the same thing, although they usually just said "it won't matter, Obama will win the nomination"...but during the race, tens of millions of Democrats were in support of Hillary...not Joe Biden...seems if the party were truly united, they'd create the Obama/Hillary superticket and blow McCain out of the water...

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

8/25/2008 11:43:40 AM

Quote :

"Quote : "Who won millions of votes but isn't on the ticket?” the ad says. “Why? For speaking the truth." Obama pwnt by McCain"

So what McCain is saying is the office of the vice president serves no other purpose than to garnish votes during election season? No point choosing someone pragmatic.

8/25/2008 11:44:25 AM

no he's saying all the bullshit about the democrats being united and hillary supporting the biden nomination is just that, complete bullshit

8/25/2008 11:45:12 AM

Quote :

"I remember seeing some Obama supporters on TWW say "if Clinton gets the nomination I'll vote for McCain" or Obama supporters saying the same thing, although they usually just said "it won't matter, Obama will win the nomination"...but during the race, tens of millions of Democrats were in support of Hillary...not Joe Biden"

the first thing you put in quotation marks is not accurate at all imo, and the second thing doesnt make sense...are you suggesting he had to pick her just cause a bunch of people prefered her over obama?

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:46 AM. Reason : ^haha, that is funny]

8/25/2008 11:45:19 AM

the first is definitely accurate...terpball is the first user to come to mind that said if Hillary got the nomination he'd vote for McCain (maybe he just said he wouldn't vote)

the 2nd thing also makes perfect sense...Obama supporters didn't even want to consider what they'd do if Hillary got the nomination because it would be a difficult decision, and its easier to just assume that Obama would get the nomination (and they were right about that)

8/25/2008 11:47:24 AM

if clinton won she def woulda picked obama

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 11:48 AM. Reason : ^"difficult decision"...unless you are an idiot, it would not be difficult]

8/25/2008 11:47:51 AM

who knows what she wouldve done...but if she had won and had picked obama, i would genuinely think they were united...but now? hell fucking no...also i said this months ago...don't think hillary will just take this...bill and hillary have way too much pride and ego to take this lying down...i wouldn't put it past them to release some damaging dirt on obama to set themselves (her) up for the 2012 nomination

8/25/2008 11:51:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597YG23mAWs

"Rawr I'm so angry that Hillary didn't get the nomination better vote for the guy who wants to set my rights back thirty years boy that'll show the 'man'"

They know exactly who they're targeting with this bullshit

8/25/2008 11:52:41 AM

Quote :

"seems if the party were truly united, they'd create the Obama/Hillary superticket and blow McCain out of the water..."

thats what you repubs wanted so bad...>.< pwnt so sowah

8/25/2008 11:55:09 AM