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8/25/2008 9:56:26 PM

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"They can eat pure garbage, as long as they don't eat a lot of it. "

i am sorry, you are going to another extreme.

yes, i know about caloric restriction. as a byproduct of converting food to energy, reactive oxygen species are released (no matter what you eat). these oxygen "free radicals" damage the dna, proteins, and fats in our bodies by stealing electrons from them. this is one of the main reasons of aging. yes, so if you eat fewer calories, you live longer.

i know all about that.

but saying that it doesn't matter what you eat is silly. i am sure if you took 2 groups of people and gave one group 1,000 calories a day from meat, white bread, and butter, and the other group 1,000 calories a day from fresh produce, beans, lean meat, fish, and olive oil, the 2nd group would live much longer.

if you are only going to eat half to 2/3rds of the calories you should eat, then you better damn well make sure that you are getting those calories from foods that will have a protective effect by way of anti-oxidants to quench those free radicals.

so yes, no matter how many calories you consume in a day, for a particular level of calories, a healthy diet would be far better than an "eat anything" diet. and i would surmise that even a diet of 2,000-2,500 calories from healthy foods would make one live longer than a calorie restrictive diet of 1,500 calories from junk food.

8/25/2008 9:58:51 PM

Maybe Phelps would rather live to 80 being the greatest Olympian of all time than live to 85 as a nobody.

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2008 9:58:56 PM

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"They can eat pure garbage, as long as they don't eat a lot of it."

head in palms

8/25/2008 10:10:05 PM

BHAHAH Calorie restriction for longer life. At what cost of quality of life? I'd rather live a shorter stronger life, than live to be old and so weak, I can't stand from the toilet, climb stairs or look like this guy....

Shit, I can't find a pic of the douche bag researcher.

8/25/2008 10:12:02 PM

To phelps' diet... his training has a large role in his diet --the calorie demand of it. W/ his caloric needs, it would be VERY hard to keep his meals clean. I would also suspect that the simple sugars don't have as huge of an impact due to this. With all this said, it doesn't smell right. I would suspect the calories are a bit of an exaggeration. I still can't help to think that this diet isn't really completely off and an example of a cheat or carb up days (like for the olympics).

I do wonder why he only has 3 meals, and veggies/fruit are largely excluded. It's also devoid of any major protein source. (granted he really isn't a large man, at all).

I wonder what his inflammation levels are like.



[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2008 10:17:25 PM

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"BHAHAH Calorie restriction for longer life."

It is a scientifically validated concept. If you don't want to do it, that's your business, but it does work. At least in rats, it has prolonged their lives by 50%. In humans, no one knows for sure, but the science is solid. There are a few thousand people in the US practising it in hopes of living longer. Researchers estimate it will prolong life by about 10%.

As for getting weak, I don't know. That's debateable. No research on humans has been done in this. The handful of personal accounts I have read of people who are practising caloric restriction all say they feel great. And they are people of all ages, lifestyles, and careers.

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"I do wonder why he only has 3 meals"

Yeah, I would have thought he would be eating 5-6 smaller meals.

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"and veggies/fruit are largely excluded"

Exactly. I understand he is eating so much that he doesn't have any space, but I am sure he could fit in 1-2 pieces of fruit somewhere during the day, if not more.

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"I wonder what his inflammation levels are like."

That's a good question, one that I have been hinting at indirectly in this thread. I wouldn't be surprised if his inflammation markers are fairly high.

8/25/2008 10:28:08 PM

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"Exactly. I understand he is eating so much that he doesn't have any space, but I am sure he could fit in 1-2 pieces of fruit somewhere during the day, if not more."

I don't understand why he can't include something simple like a fruit smoothie with protein powder.

The lack of fruits and veggies makes me sad.

8/25/2008 10:31:32 PM

gee i wonder why lol

8/25/2008 10:33:08 PM

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"It is a scientifically validated concept. "

I'm not disputing that. I just want nothing to do w/ it.

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"s for getting weak, I don't know. That's debateable."

UMMM.... HOW? Even Drunkn' understands the concept of eating for mass. Maybe for the standard desk dwelling, couch potato. I'd rather live to be a vigorous, strong old man.

8/25/2008 10:38:39 PM

I really do think the diet listed is an exagerated carb-up day.

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 10:40 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2008 10:40:11 PM

you don't need to be a fucking body builder to climb the stairs

8/25/2008 10:40:14 PM

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM. Reason : http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/31/health/nutrition/31agin.html]

8/25/2008 10:45:03 PM

I'm a meatatarian.

8/25/2008 10:48:39 PM

^

bread, cheese and the sauce are not meat

You're a horrible meatatarian. I bet that you drink soda and eat fries too, which are also not meat.

8/25/2008 10:53:30 PM

i drink lemur blood

8/25/2008 10:55:02 PM

^^ response to the latest Wendy's TV Ad...

8/25/2008 10:56:01 PM

Why the fuck would you want to be like that? I bet he can barely lift a box over 40 pounds. So what if you live a couple of years longer. Just my opinion but i would hate to live like that, being a 100 pound sack of skin and pounds i think is a terrible way to live.

8/25/2008 11:46:44 PM

well about 5 weeks ago called and they wanted their deit back

8/26/2008 12:16:16 AM

^^ That guy is wrong from head to toe.

He will never bang chicks with that body and hair style i dont care if he lives to be 300 years old.

8/26/2008 1:06:39 AM

he`s better than some bloated fat computer nerd



maybe he can actually find his dick, haha

8/26/2008 1:09:10 AM

I think the reason he looks like that is he's VEGAN.

I really don't think it's fair to introduce an intelligent concept in an article and attach it immediately to a not so intelligent concept

you can do calorie restriction with meat

8/26/2008 8:08:24 AM

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"He will never bang chicks with that body and hair style i dont care if he lives to be 300 years old."

'cept maybe his wife.

8/26/2008 9:33:58 AM

His wife probably looks worse than Calista Flockhart

8/26/2008 9:38:54 AM

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"I think the reason he looks like that is he's VEGAN."

You haven't met many vegans in person, have you?

8/26/2008 10:24:46 AM

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"Why the fuck would you want to be like that?"

Go ask him... or any of the other thousands of people doing this. They will say they are doing it to live longer (and HEALTHIER).

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"I bet he can barely lift a box over 40 pounds."

Actually, I don't know, and neither do you. However, it all depends on your conditioning. If you exercise regularly, you can increase your strength levels, regardless of your size. Muscle size does not necessarily correlate with muscle strength.

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"So what if you live a couple of years longer."

Well he is the one doing it, and nobody is forcing you to do that. Obviously he cares enough about those extra "couple of years", which are actually much more than just a "couple of years". Predictions are that in humans caloric restriction can increase lifespans by around 10%. If so, that's an extra 6-8 years, and perhaps upto 10 years if you combine it with exercise, and healthy food sources (as has been noted before, caloric restriction could be done with junk, and NO, it will not yield the same results).

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"He will never bang chicks with that body and hair style i dont care if he lives to be 300 years old."

Well good thing you don't have to care because that's him, not you. I am sure he can find any of tens of thousands of similar minded people, and millions of others who may not be similar minded, but don't mind what he does to his body. Oh, and BTW, different people, different priorities...? Maybe he doesn't want to "bang chicks", maybe he wants to find one person to love and settle down with them? OMG WHAT A FREAK!!!

Wow... some of y'all are so closed-minded it is scary.

I am 100% sure that those of you denouncing this wouldn't even bat an eyelash at someone tattooed from head to toe, with 27 piercings, and working as a street-corner one-person freak show. But as soon as someone wants to be healthy (albeit, in an "extreme" way), y'all are OMG WAT A MORON HE WON'T BANG CHIX HE LOOKS TERRIBLE.

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"Why the fuck would you want to be like that? I bet he can barely lift a box over 40 pounds. So what if you live a couple of years longer."

I wanted to come back to that. See this: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/31/health/31aging_graphic_lg.jpg

Below is a smaller version of the image, but you have to click above to read the captions.



Oh what the hell... I will type it out:

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"Canto, 25 [445 calries daily] Although a senior citizen -- the average rhesus monkey lifespan in captivity is 27 -- Canto, above left, is aging fairly well. Outwardly, he has a nice coat, elastic skin, a smooth gait, upright posture and an energetic demeanor. His bloodwork shows he is as healthy as he looks."

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"Owen, 26 [885 calries daily] He gets more food, but Owen, above right, isn't aging as well. His posture has been affected by arthritis. His skin is wrinkled and his hair is falling out. Owen is frail and moves slowly. His bloodwork shows unhealthy levels of glucose and triglycerides."

SEE that's the thing. You don't just live longer and still get all the lifestyle diseases... you actually remain disease-free. If caloric restriction lengthened your life by 10% but your chances of arthritis, heart disease, etc. were still the same, there would be no appeal to it.



So you see, that skinny dude would be walking upright, looking good, have good skin, be strong, and be "banging chicks" when he is 60 and much beyond, while at the same age, you will be hunched over, frail, wrinkly, DISEASED, and there will be no chicks within 200 yards of you (unless you are filthy-rich!).

8/26/2008 12:04:15 PM

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"as a byproduct of converting food to energy, reactive oxygen species are released (no matter what you eat). these oxygen "free radicals" damage the dna, proteins, and fats in our bodies by stealing electrons from them. this is one of the main reasons of aging. yes, so if you eat fewer calories, you live longer. "

There's a hell of a lot more to calorie restriction than limiting free radicals. There's even some research that contradicts free radical involvement as a reason for calorie restriction being effective. Some of the more promising theories on why calorie restriction is effective focus on insulin regulation, activating longevity genes through starvation, and the low level stresses put on the body by starvation triggering the body to enter a defensive state. There were some recent studies done on a Jewish tribe with long life expectancies that seems to point heavily towards gene activation by starvation as a main cause for longevity.

To imply that you have to eat "healthy" food choices for calorie restriction to work optimally is making a dangerous assumption. Keep in mind that there are no studies indicating that calorie restriction with optimal nutrition is more effective that calorie restriction in an of itself. The only study that even seems to hint at such is with fruit flies, and they are very different in operating mechanisms from mammals and humans. With fruit flies, calorie restriction doesn't seem to affect lifespan, but the quality of the diet with normal caloric intake does.

I'd prefer to see studies done on pigs and humans before I put too much faith in what actually makes calorie restriction effective. rats and mice don't even respond in the same way to calorie restriction, so I wouldn't want to put too much faith in the data we're gathering with them and applying to humans.

8/26/2008 1:08:42 PM

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"To imply that you have to eat "healthy" food choices for calorie restriction to work optimally is making a dangerous assumption."

How so? Healthful foods have been shown to the reduce the risk of various diseases. (That's the point.) Why would calorie restriction negate this effect?

8/26/2008 1:12:15 PM

it's better to burn out . . .

8/26/2008 1:17:34 PM

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"Actually, I don't know, and neither do you. However, it all depends on your conditioning. If you exercise regularly, you can increase your strength levels, regardless of your size. Muscle size does not necessarily correlate with muscle strength."

Some of the reports I've read on calorie restriction seem to indicate that people following calorie restricted diets for prolonged periods seem to retain muscle rather well. I don't understand why, but it seems like the diet doesn't make them as weak as you might think.

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 1:18 PM. Reason : ^damn right. I don't want to live to be 110 only to die hungry and healthy]

8/26/2008 1:17:56 PM

Back to the original topic.

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""Eat, sleep and swim, that's all I can do," said the US swimmer, after winning his 11th Olympic gold."

I find it funny he didn't say anything about thinking.

Dude is a phenomenal athlete, and burns a hell a lot of calories, I'm not arguing that. But his diet is unnecessary and it will catch up with him (He's only 23).

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 5:42 PM. Reason : a]

8/26/2008 5:42:28 PM

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"Quote : "I bet he can barely lift a box over 40 pounds." Actually, I don't know, and neither do you. However, it all depends on your conditioning. If you exercise regularly, you can increase your strength levels, regardless of your size. Muscle size does not necessarily correlate with muscle strength."

No most of the time bigger muscle size does mean more strength.

8/26/2008 9:15:43 PM

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"You haven't met many vegans in person, have you?"

Nope. A couple of my friends might have been vegetarian if one of them hadn't gotten really sick trying it. I was planning on trying raw vegan eventually, but I don't have high hopes.

You think it's just the amount of calories he's eating that makes him look like a skeleton? Just curious.

8/26/2008 9:24:39 PM

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"No most of the time bigger muscle size does mean more strength."

JESUS CHRIST.

You need to learn the meaning of "not necessarily." God damn, how did you make it through middle school???

And moreover, here we are not arguing about someone with big muscles, but someone with skinny muscles. Skinny muscles do NOT NECESSARILY mean a lot less strength than average muscles.

Either way, pick up a dictionary.


[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 11:48 PM. Reason : ]

8/26/2008 11:32:38 PM

He swims the 100 and 200 yard distances. Those are sprint events, you need a lot of strength and explosive power

8/26/2008 11:43:48 PM

you know what i would like to find? the diet of Usain Bolt.

or of any world-class 100m/200m sprinter. it would be interesting to compare it with what Phelps is/was eating.

8/26/2008 11:50:11 PM