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"this should stay in the soap box... threads like this are the reason the soap box exists.. this thread is basically stubborn people from both sides making crazy ignorant statements that they probably truly believe.. and maybe throw in 1 or 2 people who actually make sense and can see both sides who post like once or twice in the thread. then repeat the ignorance over again"

for page2

8/27/2008 3:42:27 PM

^hahahahha, omg...yeah quote the stupid comment for page 2

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 3:42:29 PM

2 + change.

8/27/2008 3:43:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&feature=related

8/27/2008 3:44:21 PM

never said i was smart, or above the fray.. i've been part of discussions like this before, so i know how hard it is to see both sides of the argument sometimes. which is why i think threads like this should stay in the soap box...

8/27/2008 4:35:33 PM

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"this should stay in the soap box... threads like this are the reason the soap box exists.."

dude...there ARE threads like this in the soap box...they are usually a little more serious than this thread...this is the chit chat version...that being said, your mother is a whore just like obama's mother

if you want serious political talk go into the soap box, but chit chat certainly has a place for this thread as well

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 4:41:32 PM

I VOTED FOR NADER! I HATE EVERYONE!

8/27/2008 4:44:57 PM

^^lollolol


oh yeah...

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 4:51:17 PM

democrats do not like free speech

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 5:38 PM. Reason : e]

8/27/2008 5:37:45 PM

what

8/27/2008 11:23:05 PM

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"Obama and McCain both suck. we get to pick between being fucked over by socialism or being fucked over by war and imperialism. The biggest issue in this election is the economy, and both candidates have god awful economic plans."

This is the best summary of my current opinion I have seen.

Sadly it is also the most accurate assessment of the political landscape I have seen too.

Fuck.

8/27/2008 11:28:01 PM

i kinda thought that comment was "common sense"

8/27/2008 11:29:50 PM

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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&feature=related"

wow i hadnt seen that before...can an Obama supporter defend this? seems pretty fucked up

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 11:30:06 PM

lol omg...cause he didnt put his hand on his chest?

8/27/2008 11:32:33 PM

he was actually singing along

but honestly who gives a flying piece of dogshit. jesus

the really tragedy from that clip is the unmitigated rape of the anthem by whomever was singing

8/27/2008 11:33:22 PM

i thought you're only suppose to put your hand on your heart during the pledge?

8/27/2008 11:33:40 PM

not because he didnt put his hand on his chest...because he didnt put his hand on his chest and he's running for president of the united states of america

does he hate the country, or is he just a complete idiot?

^^jwb whats up dog...i dont mind hollering at you outside of TSB...but inside there, it gets pretty crazy man

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 11:34 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 11:33:44 PM

NO HAND ON CHEST. STAB HIM IN THE EYES.

8/27/2008 11:34:30 PM

jeeesus christ... he hates america because he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem? Really??

Do you walk around every day wearing a flag pin? No? You obviously hate america. No one patriotic can possibly walk around without wearing a pin that depicts their allegiance.

8/27/2008 11:37:26 PM

If you look at any video of the general public while the national anthem is playing, e.g. at a sporting event - you'll find like half of them have their hands on their hearts.

THE OTHER HALF NEED TO BE STABBED IN THE EYES.

8/27/2008 11:38:49 PM

again, its not him not putting his hand over his heart alone, its the fact that he's running for president and its something he knows he should do

you'll notice every other person on stage did it...i mean i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's an idiot and it wasnt because he hates the country, but its still pretty weak...i seriously hope his public relations team told him afterwards that he fucked up

8/27/2008 11:39:08 PM

^^haha

8/27/2008 11:39:43 PM

I am voting for Obama out of white guilt

Jk lolling

I am voting for him because he isn't a war monger

8/27/2008 11:40:28 PM

lots of people in active armed forces or veterans, let alone a lot of older people in general find that disrespectful...like not removing your hat for the national anthem, same type thing

but this is chit chat so i'll give it a rest

8/27/2008 11:41:22 PM

^^haha made me lol too

8/27/2008 11:41:45 PM

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"ps: i'd rather elect someone who has fought in a war...SUPER PWNT!"

Quote :

"so did you vote for Kerry over Bush?"

ahaha sorry I am still laughing at Kerry "fighting" in a war.

8/27/2008 11:42:18 PM

Dude where is it written that you have to place your hand over your heart for the national anthem? Lots of people don't put their hand over their heart.

What's really important is that he stood there respectfully. That's the truest way to honor your country.

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 11:43 PM. Reason : i]

8/27/2008 11:43:37 PM

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"Lots of people don't put their hand over their heart."

again you're missing the point

name me one single presidential candidate who didn't know that you're supposed to do that?

maybe its a military thing...of course he is running for commander in chief...

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 11:45:16 PM

TreeTwista shut the fuck up you're a slobbering mongrel

8/27/2008 11:45:51 PM

lol "treetwistas tips on being a presidential candidate"

8/27/2008 11:46:01 PM

Kerry totally didn't fight in a war

Vietnam was a farce

Not like McCain who single_handedly won the first and second world wars. And he is fixing to win us the third!!!1

8/27/2008 11:46:47 PM

word up DNL...my non partisanship allows me to see the whole forest and from the outside looking in...i'll bet the next time you see obama at an event where the national anthem is sang (sung?) or played he will have his hand over his heart...bet

8/27/2008 11:47:23 PM

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"ahaha sorry I am still laughing at Kerry "fighting" in a war."

you're either a complete dumbass or a very effective troll

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"On February 18, 1966, Kerry enlisted in the Naval Reserve.[13] He began his active duty military service on August 19, 1966. After completing sixteen weeks of Officer Candidate School at the U.S. Naval Training Center in Newport, Rhode Island, Kerry received his officer's commission on December 16, 1966."

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"Kerry's first tour of duty was as an ensign on the guided missile frigate USS Gridley in 1968."

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"On November 17, 1968, Kerry reported for duty at Coastal Squadron 1 in Cam Ranh Bay in South Vietnam. In his role as an officer in charge of Swift boats, Kerry led five-man crews on a number of patrols into enemy-controlled areas."

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"During the night of December 2, 1968 and early morning of December 3, 1968, Kerry was in charge of a small boat operating near a peninsula north of Cam Ranh Bay together with a Swift boat (PCF-60). According to Kerry and the two crewmen who accompanied him that night, Patrick Runyon and William Zaladonis, they surprised a group of men unloading sampans at a river crossing, who began running and failed to obey an order to stop. As the men fled, Kerry and his crew opened fire on the sampans and destroyed them, then rapidly left. During this encounter, Kerry received a minor wound in the left arm above the elbow. It was for this injury that Kerry received his first Purple Heart.[19]"

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"Eight days later, on February 28, 1969, came the events for which Kerry was awarded his Silver Star. On this occasion, Kerry was in tactical command of his Swift boat and two others. Their mission included bringing a demolition team and dozens of South Vietnamese soldiers to destroy enemy sampans, structures and bunkers. Running into an ambush, Kerry "directed the boats to turn to the beach and charge the Viet Cong positions" and he "expertly directed" his boat's fire and coordinated the deployment of the South Vietnamese troops, according to the original medal citation (signed by Admiral Zumwalt). Going a short distance farther, Kerry's boat was the target of an RPG round; as the boat beached at the site, a VC with a rocket launcher jumped and ran from a spider hole. While the boat's gunner opened fire, wounding the VC on the leg, and while the other boats approached and offered cover fire, Kerry jumped from the boat and chased the VC and killed him, capturing a loaded rocket launcher.[23][24][24]"

8/27/2008 11:47:54 PM

lol, mandatory presidential gestures 101

this is serious, seriously

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 11:48 PM. Reason : s]

8/27/2008 11:48:19 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

HOLLA

8/27/2008 11:48:54 PM

lol "the next time"?

8/27/2008 11:49:35 PM

you'd just think somebody running for president would either know, or have people who knew that thats what you're supposed to do...not a good PR move

everybody else on stage got the hint

8/27/2008 11:52:43 PM

You know what else isn't a good PR move with dumb pricks like you? being black

8/27/2008 11:53:21 PM

I bet George Washington didn't put his hand on his heart during the anthem

8/27/2008 11:54:30 PM

ha

i can GUARANTEE you that he didn't

8/27/2008 11:55:06 PM

i'd also think some of you would know that its a customary sign of respect, but i guess not

8/27/2008 11:56:00 PM

christ, did you even read the whole article?

quoted from the "expert" they quote in their very own article:

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"Modern custom does not require the hand over the heart, says Anne Garside, director of communication for the Maryland Historical Society, home of the original manuscript of The Star-Spangled Banner. "I think the bottom line is that you show respect with your demeanor," she said. "Whether you hold your hand over your heart, hold your hat at shoulder level or waist level, is really in this day and age irrelevant. "

8/27/2008 11:56:16 PM

how'd i know you would post those two paragraphs out of the whole topic

again, i'm genuinely surprised that none of you obama supporters seem to even be aware that its a customary sign of respect in this country to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem...maybe im just old

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 11:57 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2008 11:56:54 PM

I think about Satan when I sing the national anthem.

8/27/2008 11:57:15 PM

remember when hillary clinton was "supposed" to be the democratic nominee..lol

8/27/2008 11:57:28 PM

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"again, i'm genuinely surprised that none of you obama supporters seem to even be aware that its a customary sign of respect in this country to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem...maybe im just old"

I'm not worried about stupid bullshit like putting your hand over your dick when you hear a song. This dude sucks for legitimate reasons, things that are of FAR greater importance. For one, be ready to have a super anti-gun fag as president. He wants to turn the whole country into a gang wonderland in which only criminals have weapons and arms dealers have a massive new market.

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 11:59 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2008 11:58:32 PM

hey look star dipshit saabturbo has shown up

8/27/2008 11:59:15 PM

^^way to go captain hyperbole.

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:00 AM. Reason : /]

8/27/2008 11:59:40 PM

its a petty thing, i think its more of a PR blunder than anything else, they didnt give him explicit enough instructions on what to do, but its a bigger blunder than some people realize amongst some swing voters like military or veterans

8/27/2008 11:59:42 PM

the gun nuts and the socialism nuts always make me wonder

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM. Reason : ^lol i dont consider military or veterans to be "swing" voters]

8/28/2008 12:00:28 AM