not at all. You'd have to be a retard to use firefox over ie6. Opera? Sure. fine. whatever. But firefox is a bloated piece of shit.

And mouse gestures are fucking worthless.

hmmm yase, i will move my mouse around like an idiot instead of clicking the button my thumb is resting on.

9/2/2008 3:40:26 PM

it makes me feel like a wizard

9/2/2008 3:41:29 PM

the interface is too cartoony for me

9/2/2008 3:42:07 PM

Quote :

"i got these lame side-buttonless mice here at work i rely on avant's "hold one button down and click the other" style for internets button the gesturing is a little ~"

Mouse gestures are one of those features that can be really nice if you're stuck with a shitty mouse, but not really a deal breaker if you've got a 4 or 5 button mouse.

Quote :

"yay 98% of the css works fine FUCK YOU 2% "

Much like Safari, it completely chokes on using firstChild.data in JavaScript. Goddamn it.

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2008 3:42:10 PM

Works in IE, good enough for me.

9/2/2008 3:44:29 PM

ye

my problem with gesturing is my own ineptness at wizardry

i try to conjure a page back but end up summoning a new tab

9/2/2008 3:44:46 PM

downloading now

9/2/2008 3:45:10 PM

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"i try to conjure a page back but end up summoning a new tab"

Pro-tip: If you right click and tap your mouse down slightly to the lower right, then left click it takes you back a page.

It's like a gesture, it just doesn't require any special software!

9/2/2008 3:46:24 PM

^ IE6 mouse gestures. woot

9/2/2008 3:47:14 PM

awesomE

9/2/2008 3:49:20 PM

Quote :

"You'd have to be a retard to use firefox over ie6."

i'm going to go ahead and disagree with you...i can't imagine what IE6 has going for it that isn't blown the fuck away by FF3

Quote :

"Oh, I get it you're trolling. Carry on then."

ah, just saw this...for a minute there, i thought he was serious

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2008 3:51:24 PM

Blown away by the ammount of ram firefox is leaking.

9/2/2008 3:52:41 PM

Chrome makes facebook and digg seamless. The javascript upgrades really are as awesome as they're advertising.

So far, it seems to actually use less memory then firefox.

Only problem - phpMyAdmin does not work, which means I'll still need to use firefox for work tasks.
Also, my plugins don't work either, but I expected that to happen.

9/2/2008 3:53:17 PM

Quote :

"hmmm yase, i will move my mouse around like an idiot instead of clicking the button my thumb is resting on."

What's wrong with flicking your wrist up to go to the top of the page? or down to go to the bottom. or being able to use the scroll wheel to change tabs?

It's not like I have a gesture to go to official website of the Louvre every time I draw a rough sketch of the Mona Lisa. Hell the most complicated gesture I make is an L which takes me to the next page and a reverse L (down and to the left) to take me to the previous page.

But if you don't like them, that's fine. No one is forcing you to use them. But I refuse to believe that they're garbage if they increase my productivity and enhance my browsing experience.

And actually on topic...

I already see some weirdness with the javascript used in the quote buttons on TWW. It puts the quote tag after the cursor.

9/2/2008 3:53:19 PM

srsly

9/2/2008 3:53:37 PM

chrome doesn't work for me oh well

9/2/2008 3:54:00 PM

Sounds like a more-or-less tactical move from Google. As I understand it, they end up paying Mozilla a lot of money (like $70 mil/year) just for royalties from Google toolbar click-throughs. So it's a no-brainer to launch their own browser -- all other things being equal, they cut into FireFox's royalties. Big businesses with scale go vertical to improve their margins -- no surprises here.

Of course there's the "going up against Microsoft" angle. I don't put too much stock in it ... maybe there's a wild off-chance that Microsoft could see this as a lever to make themselves seem less monopolistic. Like on Windows FuglyVista2012 you get a "Google or Microsoft browser" choice when you install. After all, the Browser Wars are sooooo 1997 -- today it's all about pwning search! Otherwise IE enjoys the same advantages it always has, and likely always will.

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 3:57 PM. Reason : foo]

9/2/2008 3:56:39 PM

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"i'm going to go ahead and disagree with you...i can't imagine what IE6 has going for it that isn't blown the fuck away by FF3"

As I've explained many times on TWW, everything works in IE6.

9/2/2008 3:57:15 PM

The task manager is pretty cool with the nerd stats

right click the top blue portion>task manager>nerd stats

9/2/2008 3:58:21 PM

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"As I've explained many times on TWW, everything works in IE6."

except good CSS?

9/2/2008 3:58:23 PM

"Good CSS" is an developer issue, not a visitor issue. While everyone gets bent out of shape over the developer aspect of a browser, the visitor aspect is far, far more important.

And still to this day, people don't make sites that don't work in IE6.

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2008 3:59:41 PM

There is no such thing as good web standards. No one implements them the same. Every browser renders shit differently. So until a real organization comes up with a real set of standards everyone follows to the letter, the market leader should dictate the standard.

9/2/2008 4:00:27 PM

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"the market leader should dictate the standard."

Oh jesus christ, if you're not trolling you should really just quit now.

9/2/2008 4:01:44 PM

Are you guys talking about ie's failure with acid3?

9/2/2008 4:02:03 PM

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""Good CSS" is an developer issue, not a visitor issue. While everyone gets bent out of shape over the developer aspect of a browser, the visitor aspect is far, far more important. And still to this day, people don't make sites that don't work in IE6."

cool...so a shitty browser isn't actually shitty as long as back-end folks work twice as hard with twice the code necessary for every other browser?

thankfully, when IE8 comes out, i don't have to code for shitastic IE6 anymore...i only have to code for the current and most recent past version of each browser

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 4:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2008 4:02:12 PM

Quote :

"Oh jesus christ, if you're not trolling you should really just quit now."

He's making a more than valid argument.

Quote :

"cool...so a shitty browser isn't actually shitty as long as back-end folks work twice as hard with twice the code necessary for every other browser?"

Shitty or not, developers make sure that everything works for it, which is why it's arguably the most important browser for visitors to have.

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 4:04 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2008 4:03:36 PM

IE8 is gonna be terrible because they've put in a ton of shit from other browsers.

imo the standard style webbrowser with javascript hacks for ajax should disapear in favor of real language based clients such as silverlight.

9/2/2008 4:06:20 PM

oh well. that doesn't matter now.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2008/09/ie_8_consumes_m.html

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 4:08 PM. Reason : :/]

9/2/2008 4:07:08 PM

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"And still to this day, people don't make sites that don't work in IE6. "

Except for facebook.

9/2/2008 4:09:11 PM

Quote :

"Except for facebook."

Facebook works fine in IE6, unless you're talking about how Facebook Chat is handled in an external window, which honestly, I prefer to the IE7/Firefox version.

9/2/2008 4:10:46 PM

YES!!! Noen vs Stein. The epic battle has begun.

9/2/2008 4:12:12 PM

9/2/2008 4:13:49 PM

using it - undecided yet but first look isn't bad

http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed2007.php
why does it run slower in this test than firefox?

9/2/2008 4:17:59 PM

nerd stats doesn't play well with multipleIE

9/2/2008 4:29:34 PM

^^ what happens if you run it multiple times? Does it speed up after the first time?

9/2/2008 4:36:28 PM

^^^ IE supremacy

9/2/2008 4:37:30 PM

In IE and Netscape, when I middle-click white-space I get an "up-down" circle thing, and i can move the mouse up and down to scroll. In the google browser, when I middle-click white-space, nothing happens.

Is this just my machine, or is this function intentionally missing?

9/2/2008 4:53:10 PM

Missing.

And while I don't have Safari installed, IIRC, it's missing in Safari for Windows as well.

9/2/2008 5:09:00 PM

google has a fucking sense of humor:

9/2/2008 5:10:42 PM

dont mean to go off topic, but is ff3 worth downloading? the upgrade thing keeps coming up and i push later cause my internet is slow and i dont feel like closing my tabs

9/2/2008 5:22:59 PM

yes get it now

9/2/2008 5:38:46 PM

i'm a fan....

and it's pretty too

9/2/2008 5:55:23 PM

this is pretty awesome

9/2/2008 6:00:09 PM

I was listening to Day-to-Day this afternoon, and they talked to the Marketplace tech-reporter about Chrome. Their conversation was amazingly ill-informed.....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94194981

some selected quotes, since i'm not going to transcribe the whole damn thing
"Chrome does have some new features, but these are things the average user isn't exactly clamoring for.
...
Internet browsers are a dime-a-dozen
....
The only people really excited about this are techies [ok, i'll give her that one]"

when asked what the techies are excited about:
"there is a new tabbing feature and that let's you tab between internet pages so you can start a new page without opening up a new browser session, so that's exciting. And Google says its browser is powerful enough for complex applications, such as 3D video. But these are not things the average user is asking for. I'm not, anyway, Alex, and i'm thinking you're not either"

fortunately, the host pointed out that he already has tabbing on his FireFox

then she talked for almost a minute about "this new 3D video" that Google is pushing, which sounded a lot like Flash applications. Then she said that we could check back "in 3 years" to see if people are adopting the browser

9/2/2008 6:11:22 PM

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"...is ff3 worth downloading?"

You don't already have it? Yes, yes it is, get it now.

9/2/2008 6:20:05 PM

mouse gestures is the best thing ever, wtf are you talking about

9/2/2008 6:35:39 PM

I prefer Chrome to every single browser I've ever used.

9/2/2008 6:42:51 PM

B-

Crappy theme

9/2/2008 6:52:59 PM

i'm dying here with all these ads.... this is unbearable.

possibly the best browser i've ever used except for all the ads... someone please... make it stop!!!!

9/2/2008 6:57:25 PM

I'm not seeing how its that much faster. to me it just shows a blank page for a second and then renders it all at once pretty quickly. firefox just started instantly and rendered.. id guess about the same amount of total time..

I also have the same things open in each browser and mem usage is about the same.

It'll take me a bit to get used to these ugly tabs as well.

9/2/2008 6:59:23 PM