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9/3/2008 5:26:30 PM

tastes like dryer sheets

9/3/2008 6:46:52 PM

Red Rock is terrible don't waste your time on the synthetic.

I've smoked black tar several times. A really mellow high. Sweet aftertaste, like incense. I would say about 10 - 20 times stronger than the best pot you've(average stoner) smoked.

I generally say addictiveness and dependancy are bullshit terms even though I somewhat understand the chemistry. I feel will power is stronger, but I definitely have felt how opiates lowers those defenses.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 6:51 PM. Reason : a]

9/3/2008 6:50:30 PM

I didn't get any higher than I do off weed, but it was...different, if that makes any sense

9/3/2008 6:52:36 PM

^same here. I tried it a few times, mostly in conjunction with pot. just kinda 'meh' in my opinion.

9/3/2008 6:53:53 PM

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"I NEED OPIUM STAT"

9/3/2008 7:24:11 PM

Why is RD posting all of this crap about drugs?

First of all, the likelihood that you're getting real opium is about ZERO. You'll get one of a few things:

- "Red Rock" Opium, which is actually "Dragon's Blood Incense"
- Opium Flavored Incense

Often it's the latter, which is brown, sticky and has chunks of what appears to be plant matter in it. You'll be told the effects are "subtle," etc. It's all bullshit and I've never, not ONCE seen real opium out of countless times of seeing people show me something that they claimed was real. The real shit is like tar.


This is the fake, "red rock" opium picutred next to dragon's blood incense:




This is the other, much more commonly sold opium incense. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've seen this shit sold as opium at incredibly, stupidly high prices:




DO NOT BUY "OPIUM" IN NC. Think about it dude, per weight, heroin is FAR more lucrative. Why the fuck would anybody ship this heavy, weak crap when they could ship heroin and make so much more money it's ridiculous? I guarantee you that pretty much every single person in this area that thinks they've smoked opium has smoked one of the two incenses I've pictured above.


REAL OPIUM:







[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 7:38:26 PM

I dunno

I just want to try it

9/3/2008 7:46:51 PM

Well I hope you just read what I wrote. Go get any of the following drugs if you want to know what the general effects of opium will be:

- Morphine
- Hydrocodone
- Oxycodone (Oxycontin is time released oxycodone)
- Hydromorphone (eg - Dilaudid)
- Fentanyl
- Methadone
- Diacetylmorphine (eg - heroin)

You will get the actual effects of an opiate by taking any of the above. If you buy "opium" in NC, you're pretty much guaranteed to get the incense in the second picture I posted. If you don't believe me, print out all of those pictures when you go to buy it from someone if you manage to "find" it. If it's real, I'll be the first to congratulate you. But 99% of the time it is fake and for the very reason I listed above, it's not economical to transport when you can simply make heroin (Diacetylmorphine) out of the morphine contained in the opium.

I'm interested to know how many people, upon seeing that photo for the first time, are just now realizing that they got fucked in the ass over and over buying fake shit that had "subtle" effects. I've got news for you, morphine is not "subtle." It can fucking kill you and before it does that it will have you vomiting for hours. None of that is "subtle."

Go take a 200mg MS Contin and split it in half. Be sure to take it with no tolerance to opiates. Then come back and tell me how "subtle" the effects were.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 8:12 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 7:51:48 PM

I read it

I doubt I'll be buying any from someone I don't know anyway

9/3/2008 7:52:45 PM

i love the way it smells

9/3/2008 7:54:54 PM

What I'm trying to explain to you is that you'd be very surprised how many people you KNOW that have this fake shit. Again, I have seen it more times than I can count. Everybody would say it was real. It is not, it's 100% placebo.

Note the editing I did to the above message. My challenge to you is to smoke that fake opium once you find it, which, if real, should contain Morphine, Codeine, Thebaine, etc. Note how "subtle" (ie - nonexistant) the effects are. Then go take a 200mg MS Contin and split it in half. Eat one half of it and tell me how subtle it is as you spend the next 6 hours hugging a toilet.

^ You got fucked by the incense too I take it. Check out the pictures y0. Top two photos are fake incense, note that the bottom of the two fake ones is opium flavored incense while the top one is not opium flavored at all. The bottom three photos are real opium.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 7:59 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 7:56:36 PM

shit smells like heaven.

9/3/2008 8:00:02 PM

Exactly, lol, clearly incense. You were left thinking about the smell, which is the last thing you'd be thinking about if the shit were real. You'd be talking about how fucking high you were and how you puked all over the place for two hours from smoking too much.

I'll say it again, everyone who thinks they've smoked opium in this area, has in fact smoked this incense (Or "red rock," which is also incense, but it isn't even opium flavored):



"Mellow high," "subtle effects," etc, are not what happens when you ingest morphine, codeine and thebane.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 8:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 8:01:37 PM

the high felt exactly like smoking weed

smells and tastes great, though. it will make your bowl taste good for a while too

9/3/2008 8:06:23 PM

you people are either fucking idiots or not reading what saabturbo is saying. he's right. not a one of you has smoked the real stuff or it wouldn't be "mellow and like weed" it'd be "OH MY FUCKING GOD I PUKED FOR HOURS AND IT FELT SO GOOD"

9/3/2008 8:08:38 PM

^^ Again, placebo because your body knows what "weed" feels like. Opiates don't feel like weed, at all. In fact, that mellow high was probably from the leftover marijuana resin in your bowl.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 8:10 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 8:09:34 PM

Ive also never taken any opium product such as heroin, morphine, etc.

9/3/2008 8:10:24 PM

BTTT FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.


^ You've seriously never had Hydrocodone (Vicodin) or Oxycodone (Percocet, Oxycontin)? If you've had either of those in sufficient quantity to feel the effects, then that's pretty much what opium should do to you. Of course, more of the drug will generate stronger effects. If you take a high enough dose that you actually vomit then you're really getting the full effects. Note of course that if you really push it you can die.


If you REALLY just HAVE to experience what "opium" feels like, you can buy poppy pods and make tea out of them by steeping them in hot water (Don't boil them, just steep the ground pods). I am warning you ahead of time though:

0. Pods are incredibly potent and each pod and each batch of pods is different. You must grind up ALL of the pods and mix them together as soon as you open the package. Then you must thoroughly mix that powder into a consistent, even mixture. Note that the stems should not be ground and they can destroy grinders. If you fail to do this, you will increase the likelihood of an overdose or at least a LONG toilet hugging session.

1. If you don't have a tolerance to opiates, this can be unpleasant and dangerous.

2. If you do have somewhat of a tolerance to opiates, this can still be unpleasant (eg - vomiting) and if you're an idiot it can still be dangerous.

3. These pods will create addiction faster than just about any other opiate on its own because of the fact that poppy pods contain morphine, codeine, thebaine, etc. The pods will pretty much saturate all of your opiate receptors, causing an extremely powerful, long lasting narcotic high. The down side is that if you do this as little as two times per week for one or two weeks (Or more often or for longer durations), you will get very noticeable withdrawal symptoms which are pretty much like having the flu. The severity and duration of these symptoms will increase with the level of dependence you have on the opiates. Note that you gain dependence incredibly fast with pods.

4. The tea tastes god awful, like really bitter hay.



Moral of the story:

"Opium" in NC is fake 99% of the time, even when it's from "people you know." If you plan on purchasing opium, do yourself a favor and print off the photos I've posted in here of fake opium (2 photos) and real opium (3 photos) and then take them with you when you go buy this "opium" with a "mellow" and "subtle" high.

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 11:43 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 11:38:44 PM

My friend Susan and I hit a pipe being passed around at a party. I only took two hits off it and pretty sure she also did. We left shortly after and the two of us were cackling in the backseat of my buddies car on the way home. Shit was hilarious. Everything. Had a numbing sensation and everything was really laid back. We get home and Susan immediately hits the bathroom and pukes. I felt fine and enjoyed an awesome buzz that was 30-40x what weed would be. Not even comparable.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 12:16 AM. Reason : After we hit it, we were told it had opium sprinkled on it.]

9/4/2008 12:16:16 AM

wow, this saabturbo guy is posting pictures from Erowid...he must know what he's talking about

also,

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"Think about it dude, per weight, heroin is FAR more lucrative. Why the fuck would anybody ship this heavy, weak crap when they could ship heroin and make so much more money it's ridiculous"

this is one of the dumbest things i've read on this site lately

9/4/2008 12:52:48 AM

there is some small amount of it produced in NC, even


but if you didn`t scratch your fucking skin off at the very least, it didn`t happen

9/4/2008 1:22:29 AM

Scratching with opium?

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 1:42 AM. Reason : the codeine causes the itchiness, but it's such a tiny amount, you aren't always going to itch]

9/4/2008 1:38:04 AM

high doses of many of the alkaloids in opium cause intense itching sensations. not due to delusional parasitosis/long term skin problems like meth

9/4/2008 1:42:27 AM

poppy tea is ridiculous

tastes like ass and leaves you nodding all night

9/4/2008 1:43:30 AM

^^I have yet to feel or hear about opium itches.

9/4/2008 1:46:22 AM

I missed a night class because of poppy tea I had in the morning

I was hurling all day

9/4/2008 1:48:23 AM

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 1:55 AM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 1:54:30 AM

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"wow, this saabturbo guy is posting pictures from Erowid...he must know what he's talking about"

Note that the only pictures I posted from erowid were the real ones and the "red rock." That other fake shit is something I knew about from a LONG time ago when I actually found the incense and bought some. I compared it to everything here that was claimed to be "opium" from then on and EVERY SINGLE TIME it was that same incense. Erowid is a readily available source of photos. I'm not going to search through poppies.org or something when I know where I can find the photos immediately. But of course, what do I know about poppies or opiates? I didn't post any information in here about poppy tea or various opiates/opioids. Why don't you take some pictures of your awesome opium and share with the class?

As far as me not knowing what I'm talking about, please point out anything in my posts that is false. If you think that heroin is less lucrative than opium, please do explain further. By weight, heroin is WAY more potent and can be sold for more. Hence, if you're going to risk shipping something, you want the most money per unit weight. It's simple economics dude, not that hard to grasp. Heroin is made from opium in countries where it is produced in mass quantity. It does not come from around here, it has to be shipped. Now, if you're growing a small number of pods and you make opium locally, sure you could get it, in VERY limited quantities. Have I ever seen someone doing that? NO. Does that mean it doesn't happen, nope, but it does mean that 99% of the people in here, probably including you, have been ripped off by that opium incense (NOT DRAGON'S BLOOD, which isn't even opium flavored, but the OPIUM FLAVORED INCENSE LOGS).

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"also, "Think about it dude, per weight, heroin is FAR more lucrative. Why the fuck would anybody ship this heavy, weak crap when they could ship heroin and make so much more money it's ridiculous." this is one of the dumbest things i've read on this site lately"

Ok, please elaborate since you know so much about it, opiate fiend. How is it more lucrative to ship opium, which takes up far greater volume per dose, is way heavier per dose and is less expensive than diacetylmorphine? The market is in heroin, not opium. People in "opium producing countries" turn the morphine in their opium into heroin through crude chemical processing in 55 gallon drums and then ship it here because they can make more money that way. It's all about money dude, not getting you opium.

I get the feeling you got pwnt and now you want to justify to yourself that you didn't get ripped off.

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"^^I have yet to feel or hear about opium itches."

Because you and your friends are most likely smoking the opium incense that I pictured above. All opiates/opioids can produce itching. Morphine and codeine in particular cause it quite easily. Again, order poppy pods and make the tea and tell me that your "opium" did what the tea does. Then you will see how fucking fake that shit really is, unless of course you're getting it from locally grown poppies and it's actually real (In which case you pretty much have to know the person growing it and you're one of the only people in this area that has access to it).

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 7:39 AM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 7:23:57 AM

Quote :

"All opiates/opioids can produce itching."

can, not will. so myself not personally experiencing such a thing shouldn't be a surprise, since it isn't a guaranteed result. Good job making terrible assumptions.

I do agree with you on the opium scarcity. If anyone claims to have a steady supplier anywhere in the piedmont region, I would think of it as 95% chance fake.

9/4/2008 7:46:35 AM

i would listen to SaabTurbo if i were you guys and were curious
armsforsleep is making me laugh

9/4/2008 9:02:33 AM

^^^right, so by that logic nobody would import schwag into the country since beaster is worth significantly more by weight and no one would import beaster because hash is worth more by weight and so on. You can try to apply standards of logic and reason to drug markets/suppliers all you want but the reality is that if there is a market for a drug, be it opium, hash, whatever, people will try to import and sell it. I'm sure that alot of the opium sold in NC is totally bunk, but unless you know every drug dealer in the state you can't really talk about how no one has real opium.

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"If you think that heroin is less lucrative than opium, please do explain further. By weight, heroin is WAY more potent and can be sold for more. Hence, if you're going to risk shipping something, you want the most money per unit weight. It's simple economics dude, not that hard to grasp."

If you really wanted the most money per unit weight why would you import anything other than pure LSD since that is obviously way more valuable by weight than any other drug. Obviously there are other factors involved in the decision making of drug importers than simply the value by weight of the drug.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 12:23 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 12:08:00 PM

Those are terrible comparisons for obvious reasons. LSD is not nearly as lucrative a drug as heroin because it isn't addictive. It's also far more difficult to produce and requires a "starting chemical" (Lysergic Acid) that is extremely hard to come by. Lots of people don't enjoy it's effects either and if used too often it tends to self regulate. You obviously failed miserably to comprehend my statements and are trying to argue random points that have nothing to do with the facts.

Comparing Opium and Heroin to schwagg, beasters and headies is also a terrible comparison. Generally the difference between schwagg, beast and heads is that one is usually locally (ie - US) grown under much more exact conditions and is much better cared for (Males are removed, growth conditions are generally much more exact, etc). The other is generally shipped from outside of the country and grown in mass quantity, generally outdoors and with much less care given to the crop overall. This results in the formation of seeds and significantly reduced potency, they make up for this with reduced prices, which they can easily afford due to the relatively low amount of energy put into growing the crop.

Then note that schwagg vs. beasters vs. headies is like comparing low potency pods to excellent pods. It might make a difference if you're shipping pods, but it doesn't matter as much if you're using great pods or shitty pods when you're combining mass quantities of them for the purpose of extracting morphine and converting it to diacetylmorphine. The point is that you don't ship opium because it can simply be made into heroin, which is easily injected, extremely addictive and makes far more money as a result. You might also consider the distance that heroin coming from the Middle East and Asia must travel compared to marijuana grown in Mexico or Canada.

Again, show us your opium since you can get the real deal and you know it's from Asian poppy growers who prefer to ship raw opium rather than heroin. It shouldn't be that hard to prove you've got the real deal.

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"can, not will. so myself not personally experiencing such a thing shouldn't be a surprise, since it isn't a guaranteed result. Good job making terrible assumptions."

So you quoted me saying "CAN," not will, and then you said, "can, not will." Good job imitating a parrot.


Since you can't comprehend things the first time around, this was my exact statement (Which you clearly quoted above and failed to even look at):

Quote :

"All opiates/opioids can produce itching."

Please tell the class what opiates/opioids you've done and how much experience you have, since obviously you know a lot about this stuff.




When did you actually get on this website LickHer? I get the feeling you're an alias or perhaps a lurker. Is this a second name you use?

Same goes for you, armorfrsleep, is this a second name of yours? I see that you've been on here for a little while, but something about you is unusual and pathetic.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 1:53 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 1:26:22 PM

jesus fucking christ you're dense...from your reply it seems clear that you didn't even read my post...just looked at a couple words and responded vehemently. Forgive me for challenging the omniscient SaabTurbo. Your whole point is relying on an assumption that is obviously false, that drug importers are completely logical people who weigh costs and benefits like a college student and therefore only import the one drug that is, according to you, the most lucrative by weight.

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"Generally the difference between schwagg, beast and heads is that one is usually locally grown"

that's just flat out wrong

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"LSD is not nearly as lucrative a drug as heroin"

I'll agree that it's maybe not as profitable on the street level, but for an importer the profits for shipping the same amount of pure LSD as Heroin are obviously much greater.

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"Then note that schwagg vs. beasters vs. headies is like comparing low potency pods to excellent pods. It might make a difference if you're shipping pods, but it doesn't matter as much if you're using great pods or shitty pods when you're combining mass quantities of them for the purpose of extracting morphine and converting it to diacetylmorphine."

you're still ignoring the fact that, according to your theory no one is importing beasters because hash is more profitable/potent by weight. You are too caught up in this fantasy that drug importers are masterminds who only do what is objectively the most lucrative, if they did then heroin would be the only drug available on the black market, because according to you it's the most profitable. You can quit with the vitriolic attacks on people man, no one likes an internet tough guy.

9/4/2008 2:08:06 PM

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"that's just flat out wrong"

You and your mexican headies. Notice that I clearly state next to the word "locally," the words "(ie - US)."

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"you're still ignoring the fact that, according to your theory no one is importing beasters because hash is more profitable/potent by weight. You are too caught up in this fantasy that drug importers are masterminds who only do what is objectively the most lucrative, if they did then heroin would be the only drug available on the black market, because according to you it's the most profitable. You can quit with the vitriolic attacks on people man, no one likes an internet tough guy."

Again, the opiate market is not comparable to the marijuana market. My "theory" has nothing to do with marijuana either, it has to do with opium being converted to diacetylmorphine. Also note that hash is barely, if any, more potent per weight than headies. You're talking a 10% difference in potency per unit weight. The difference in heroin vs. opium weight per dose is HUGE. Not only that, but again, the method of use is also something you've got to consider. And if you think that high level drug distributors are idiots you obviously don't know too much about this business. They do not do what is "objectively" the most lucrative. They do what IS the most lucrative. When they can turn opium into heroin and make significantly more money and ship significantly higher quantities in a given vessel, they will do that everytime. They don't care how you feel about opium vs. heroin. They want money, so they make heroin because that is what the people demand.

Again, show us your imported Asian opium. We're all waiting.

Internet tough guy? I simply asked you a question which you've dodged like a fag. Clearly you are someone's second name (ie - alias) then.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 2:29:12 PM

i would listen to saabturbo. he steals tylenol from grocery stores.

9/4/2008 2:36:43 PM

^ Exactly



[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 2:37 PM. Reason : Oh and where's your imported Asian opium?]

9/4/2008 2:36:57 PM

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" Again, show us your asian opium. We're all waiting."

again man, you didnt read what I posted...did I ever say that I had real opium? no, all I said is that you are talking out of your ass if you think there is no real opium imported to the US.

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"Also note that hash is barely, if any, more potent per weight than headies."

ahahahahahahaha, maybe the shitty soapbar hash you get is

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"And if you think that high level drug distributors are idiots you obviously don't know too much about this business"

again, you're putting words in my mouth...all I said was that the people that import drugs into this country are not all masterminds who weigh costs and benefits like you or I might. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that it would be stupid for someone to import opium rather than just import heroin but there are a lot of stupid people out there, so you can't just rule it out because it isn't the brightest thing to do.

9/4/2008 2:42:54 PM

You missed the second part. I put it in bold for you:

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"Also note that hash is barely, if any, more potent per weight than headies. You're talking a 10% difference in potency per unit weight."

And honestly that's pretty good. Plus, I don't use drugs son. STEP OUT THE BAR SON.

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"again, you're putting words in my mouth...all I said was that the people that import drugs into this country are not all masterminds who weigh costs and benefits like you or I might. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that it would be stupid for someone to import opium rather than just import heroin but there are a lot of stupid people out there, so you can't just rule it out because it isn't the brightest thing to do."

I didn't say that it can't happen. I said 99% of the people that buy "opium" here buy fake incense. This is from 8 years of seeing fake opium in 100% of the cases in which it was claimed to be real.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 2:44:06 PM

an expert on opium I see

9/4/2008 2:59:12 PM

Far from it, that's my point. In all of this time I've never once seen real opium. I've seen lots and lots of incense being sold as opium and I've seen lots and lots of real poppy pods. But I've never seen anyone acquire or sell real opium in this area.

Pretty much any other opiate can be had in this area though, which again proves my point. The only "black market" opiate floating around is heroin (And fake opium if you consider that a black market drug). All of the others are diverted prescription drugs. You can buy poppy pods of course, but those aren't black market drugs since you can get them legally.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 3:04:09 PM

i have smoked real opium

i passed out longways on a loveseat that was 3 feet long

it was about 5 years ago, my buddy showed me the differences and explained to me that most shit is fake and he only gets the stuff thats real. he said its so rare to actually find the real shit that he said fuck it and bought some. i wouldnt have smoked it if i knew id have the chance to again

it was not in this area either, which might explain a few things

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2008 3:20:57 PM

I smoked black tar freshman year around here and that has been my one and only opium encounter.

Shit was off the hook! I remember sitting in the love seat for a few hours. I was fully aware of what was going on, but I couldn't get off that love seat to save my life. I was fucking glued down! The best part was that it felt like my body was floating in the room above my motionless body below. I'll never forget the feeling, and I've never done anything else that gave me an out-of-body experience quite like opium.

Oh and the wonderful taste it left in my bowl lingered for weeks! The taste/smell of the smoked product is such florally goodness!

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 1:58 AM. Reason : ]

10/16/2008 1:55:03 AM

LIARS!

IT WAS NOT REAL, IT WAS DEFINITELY FAKE, OK? TRUST ME!


RAWR I'M SERIOUS!

10/16/2008 8:42:42 AM

^ SHOW US A PICTURE OF THE REAL DEAL SON. THAT'S NOT VERY DIFFICULT TO DO IF WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS REAL SON.

TIME AND TIME AGAIN INEXPERIENCED USERS IN THIS AREA EXPERIENCE THE "SUBTLE" (IE - PLACEBO) EFFECTS OF OPIUM INCENSE AND THEN HYPE IT UP. THIS MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS OFF OF NOTHING.

HONESTLY SON, AT BEST YOU MIGHT BE GETTING BLACK TAR HEROIN, WHICH SHOULDN'T PARTICULARLY BOTHER ANYONE TRYING TO GET OPIUM BECAUSE IT'S STILL AN OPIATE/OPIOID COMPOUND.

WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW SUPER FLOWERY IT WAS THAT ONLY SOLIDIFIES MY BELIEF THAT IT WAS THIS INCENSE:



[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 8:58 AM. Reason : ]

10/16/2008 8:48:40 AM

What are you talking about? I never mentioned anything about having any.

10/16/2008 9:07:29 AM

10/16/2008 9:30:11 AM

your opium ain't shit, son.

AIN'T SHIT

10/16/2008 9:36:29 AM

EXACTLY SON, THE PICTURE IS OF OPIUM INCENSE, COMMONLY SOLD AS OPIUM IN THIS AREA.

10/16/2008 9:38:17 AM

real opium isn't subtle. hahaha

10/16/2008 12:27:02 PM