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"our founding fathers were not religious. you are mistaken "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." --Thomas Jefferson, letter, 1787 "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church." --Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason, 1794 "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823 "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." --Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758 "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect." --James Madison, letter to William Bradford, April 1, 1774"

i'd say that pretty much classifies as a pwnt

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM. Reason : 2]

9/9/2008 2:18:36 PM

damn i didn't mean tot kill the thread

9/9/2008 2:32:35 PM

That's all well and good, but that's only 4 people. Plenty were, as plenty were not. That doesn't make the ones that were any less relevant.

Same thing now - if you are or you aren't, one thing or another, it shouldn't make any difference.

9/9/2008 2:34:13 PM

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"I can't imagine anyone with religious beliefs being able to run for any kind of public office. Must've been a fluke that people like that managed to found this entire goddamn country."

+

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"That's all well and good, but that's only 4 people. Plenty were, as plenty were not."

Does not compute.

9/9/2008 2:45:30 PM

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"Actually, Obama was not raised anything. He went to both Muslim and Catholic schools when he was growing up. He was pretty much an atheist until he met Rev. Wright in 1980, and that is when he was "saved". As any good Christian will tell you, it doesn't matter what you did in your past, as long as you now accept Christ as your lord and savior. In fact, many Christians make it their life's mission to "save" those that have not yet accepted Christ. So, if you want to play the Christian card, then you should be able to ignore his past and be thankful that he has "seen the light" fucking hypocrite."

thank you

9/9/2008 2:46:43 PM

it shouldn't make a difference

except that the fundamentalists are always trying to legislate their religious beliefs

9/9/2008 2:51:49 PM

9/9/2008 3:12:54 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/perkins.qa/index.html

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"# Story Highlights # Evangelicals excited about Sarah Palin being tapped for the GOP ticket # Choice has drawn scrutiny of Alaska governor's Pentecostal beliefs # Palin told church that U.S. soldiers deployed to Iraq were on a "task that's from God" # McCain campaign must not move away from Palin's faith, evangelical leader says"

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

9/9/2008 3:14:49 PM

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"Jackleg is "king" (cwidt) of calling people "sheep" and "brainwashed." He's always been like this, all narcissistic people are."

damn terpball i can't help but feel that you're talking smack just because i haven't screamed from the rooftops how much i love obama. or in this case, how much i hate palin.

i wouldn't say that i'm narcissistic just because i think that it's pointless to try to browbeat people into backing the candidate i like... or that i said that the majority of people on both sides are chain-mail forwarding morons that hear it and pass it on without reading about it

ps i just wanna quote you on what you said back when the rev wright shit hit the media. guess it's only narcissism when someone else implies that other people are sheep?

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"You're just one of the simpleton tools a few guys on the news tricked into believing he's a crazy racist. "

the funny part is that i think you know who i voted for in the primary

9/9/2008 4:26:20 PM

"So, if you want to play the Christian card, then you should be able to ignore his past and be thankful that he has "seen the light"

fucking hypocrite."

Oh yeah, I'm a hypocrite for talking about Obama's past when this thread (and the entire democratic platform) is dedicated to talking about Palin's.

9/9/2008 4:47:38 PM

except I will readily admit to being a godless heathen

so... I'm not really making a claim of forgiveness am I?

dumb ass Christians

9/9/2008 8:19:33 PM

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"it shouldn't make a difference except that the fundamentalists are always trying to legislate their religious beliefs"

exactly. There is a separation of church and state for a good reason. religious views should not interfere with the running of governments.

9/9/2008 10:03:18 PM

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"Oh yeah, I'm a hypocrite for talking about Obama's past when this thread (and the entire democratic platform) is dedicated to talking about Palin's."

You are the perfect example of someone trying to talk politics when you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I bet you are a Republican because your daddy told you it was the way to be, and you are also one of those Republicans that only watched the RNC because McCain picked a hot relatively unknown chick as a VP. See, I watched both conventions in their entirety because i like to be fully informed when I vote for the fucking president of our fucking country.

No part of the Democratic platform involves Palin, and in fact neither Obama, Biden, or even fucking Hillary Clinton have even mentioned her name. When asked about Palin, Hillary had nothing but praise for her. And Obama is the one that said her personal life has nothing to do with her ability to lead. So please, i beg you, tell me how the Democratic Platform is dedicated to talking about Palin, or has even made mention of her.

In short, don't confuse internet bloggers and the media with the "Democratic Platform" or the "Republican Platform". Try listening to some actual speeches from the candidates, or visit their official websites if you would like to learn what they really stand for.

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM. Reason : a]

9/9/2008 10:13:50 PM

really though. It's OK to talk shit about one candidate and her pastor, but heaven forbid you do it about the other candidate's equally nutty pastor.

9/9/2008 10:24:20 PM

^ that is the point I am trying to make. none of that shit should matter. but the media, bloggers, and internet dorks are going to talk about it no matter what anyone says. but just because people on the outside are talking about it, doesn't make it a "platform". this shit happens in every fucking election. the skeletons get dragged out of the closet. and sadly, there are people that will choose a candidate based on those skeletons, rather than the real issues.

9/9/2008 10:26:54 PM

I love how you pin me as someone who has no idea what I am talking in regards to politics when you have heard me say 2 things that don't relate at all to politics. Honestly, I don't feel that religion should matter for either candidate, but if the subject is being brought up, it goes both ways. In response to your other great accusations:

mommy and daddy have never talked politics their house as they feel that their children should be able to make their own decisions and not take handouts.

I actually watched the entire DNC and RNC on CNN to make sure that I could see different points of view so i can quote "be fully informed when I vote for the fucking president of our fucking country". I can promise you that I know exactly what both candidates stand for and I will be making a very informed decision when I vote on Nov. 4.

Of course Obama is not going to put himself out there and attack Palin's family (that would be political suicide), but his cronies in his campaign and the liberal media seem to be digging up all kinds of information that is not at all related to anything that has to do with the presidential race. Palin's husband got a DUI 22 years ago? c'mon, you can't tell me that that has something to do with the presidential race...as I recall, around that time Obama was using cocaine...I really don't know what is worse. The list goes on and on and on.

All I hear from Obama is "John McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time", "4 more years of the same", and "I will change things" but never really says how. Never in the history of America has somebody try to run on so little...I really wish that people would not be so blinded by their hatred of George Bush that they vote for someone whose view they don't really agree with.

I really don't care if you (or anyone else) are democrat or republican because its your right to have your own views. I was just trying to make the point that it is only fair to note that Obama's religious past is no better than Palin's and it really is stupid to try to bring up the issue.

9/10/2008 12:36:51 AM

Palin is also a pothead: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Drugs.htm

I wonder what her church friends think of that.

9/10/2008 12:38:01 AM

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"i'd say that pretty much classifies as a pwnt"

I'd say you're an idiot if you listen to a bunch of one liners without even considering the context.

Take for example...

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""The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823"

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"The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fantasy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."

Did I post the real quote?
Who knows.
The point remains the same.

9/10/2008 12:58:46 AM

damn nigga

9/10/2008 1:00:49 AM

From the site above, in the "Principles & Values" section:

"WHEREAS, James Madison, father of the United States Constitution advocated "the diffusion of the light of Christianity in our nation" in his Memorial and Remonstrance.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Gov. Sarah Palin, do hereby proclaim October 21-27, 2007, as Alaska's 9th Annual Christian Heritage Week in Alaska, and encourage all citizens to celebrate this week."

Actually, the summarized quote from Madison is as follows:

"[Religious establishment] is adverse to the diffusion of the light of Christianity ... [because] with an ignoble and unchristian timidity it would [be] circumscribed, with a wall of defence, against the encroachments of error."

I'm fairly sure that he is not "advocating the diffusion of the light of Christianity" there, Sarah. Its a little more complicated than that. You can read about the full quote here: http://www.positiveliberty.com/2007/09/bishop-meade-on-james-madisons-creed.html

[Edited on September 10, 2008 at 1:38 AM. Reason : .]

9/10/2008 1:11:00 AM

bttt

9/10/2008 1:19:27 AM