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9/23/2008 2:34:36 PM

9/23/2008 2:37:38 PM

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"that's why I think you can't booby trap your own place"

I imagine this would be ruled on a case by case basis...

I'll admit that I have never come across a case similar to the following hypothetical, but I imagine from other rulings that this would be self defense:

I spring-gun my bed-cover at night before i go to sleep. An intruder enters, pulls back my sheets, and is shot and killed. I am willing to bet that this situation would constitute self defense.

Now if I did that and was not at home, it would fail as a defense. Similarly, if the person happen to be my wife, I would at minimum be guilty of manslaughter and subject to all sorts of torts claims.



[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 2:47 PM. Reason : misp]

9/23/2008 2:39:02 PM

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"i fully admit that i'd shoot someone breaking into my car...not in the face, but perhaps in the ass or shoulder...something that would hurt unless it looked like they had a gun, too...i don't know if i could shoot someone to kill, but if you're stealing MY stuff and it looks like you might be capable and willing to shoot ME...yeah, i think i'd rather you suffer instead"

you should never point a gun at a person unless you intend to kill that person

9/23/2008 2:42:09 PM

thats what your parents tell you when you get a new BB gun. and its legally the safest thing to do and is practiced by the police. but shooting to wound is not a new thing

9/23/2008 2:45:37 PM

off on a tangent here....

I can't research this right now. But does anyone remember the outcome of the trial for that texas man that shot and killed burglars he saw breaking into his neighbor's home?

fairly recent case I think

9/23/2008 2:46:18 PM

I meant to keep track of that case

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=5278638&page=1



[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 2:52 PM. Reason : ]

9/23/2008 2:47:43 PM

Grand jury didn't even indict him...

but that's texas law and they are certainly in a minority on a number of issues.



[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 2:51 PM. Reason : rrr]

9/23/2008 2:48:59 PM

oh man

I guess we'll chalk that one up to TEXAS GUN LAW

9/23/2008 2:51:28 PM

what if the dude who allegedly boobytrapped his house (i say allegedly because they say the house has been abandoned for years, maybe some other hoodlums set the traps) put up some signs that said "DANGER: TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT"...is it still illegal then?

9/23/2008 2:56:57 PM

yes because you cannot simply avoid most laws by making disclaimers.

It's like those bullshit signs on dump trucks that claim they are not responsible for debris falling from the vehicle. They have a duty to secure their payload, plain and simple.

9/23/2008 3:06:23 PM

just had an image of a dump truck driver getting pissy when i would say he had to pay for damages. then hold up a sign that says i'm not responsible whose knees i break with this baseball bat and swing away

9/23/2008 3:27:25 PM

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"you should never point a gun at a person unless you intend to kill that person"

What the fuck, why not?
...Unless you're just talking about gun safety and handling, in which case, yes, you have correctly spouted the proper instructions.

9/23/2008 3:37:42 PM

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"It's like those bullshit signs on dump trucks that claim they are not responsible for debris falling from the vehicle. They have a duty to secure their payload, plain and simple."

i understand that, but they're also operating on public roads

anyone has the right to use public roads

anyone does NOT have the right to break into your house

its not like the booby trap was out on the sidewalk

^I think what Nerdchick MEANT was you should never point a gun at someone unless you're WILLING to kill someone...

9/23/2008 3:39:50 PM

Too bad it only got one of the two little fuckers.

9/23/2008 3:43:18 PM

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""All rights reserved. This copyrighted material may not be published, broadcast or redistributed in any manner." gg"

lol missed that...but it does have a link to email it someone. Kind of like leaving the paper on the table at a restaraunt?

9/23/2008 3:49:06 PM

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"they used to manufacture devices to do this stuff back in the post civil war south when the yankees started looting , there was a huge problem with it, so people came up with neat toys to disuade it"

what? i am big in to history, but aparrently i missed that. tell me more.

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"the police are here to protect you. in fact, they're the only ones allowed to protect you. wonderful world"

actually they aren't here to protect you. they are here to make sure that the law is followed and to punish those who would disobey those laws.

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"I can't research this right now. But does anyone remember the outcome of the trial for that texas man that shot and killed burglars he saw breaking into his neighbor's home?"

it's legal. in texas, you can shoot anyone that is on your property/stealing said property (even a neighbor's) without permission.

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM. Reason : d]

9/23/2008 6:41:00 PM

yo party people you are generally liable for spring guns or other set traps on your property. it isn't self defense. and it isn't defense of property. it isn't really anything at all except you getting fucked (and killing someone so i guess they get fucked too).

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM. Reason : even though i guess it was already said. seems like a big DUH to me.]

9/23/2008 6:47:38 PM

OK, so update on story. Owner interviewed, didnt do it. Son pending, possibly did it. Police think place was a drug house at one point without owners permission/knowledge.

That said, I withdraw my objections on this being a 2nd amendment defense. Nail the bastard to the wall.

I was basing my assumptions on the owner did it, and nothing else illegal.

Fermat, I love you.

9/23/2008 10:17:57 PM

gotta love it. Kid breaks into house, lookin to steal shit, and he is made out to be the victim. nail the KID to the wall

9/23/2008 11:21:08 PM

9/23/2008 11:42:10 PM

look at it this way: mr. volunteer firefighter is probably gonna assume that your windows aren't booby trapped, and if your house is on fire and he's crawling through the window to save your ass, he isn't gonna appreciate a shotgun blast to the chest.

9/24/2008 1:07:26 AM

then u take that risk at that point. but, mr. dumb fucking robber? got what he deserved. case closed.

9/24/2008 1:09:15 AM

9/24/2008 1:14:29 AM

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"actually they aren't here to protect you. they are here to make sure that the law is followed and to punish those who would disobey those laws."

THANK YOU!

THE POLICE ARE UNDER NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO PROTECT CITIZENS.

GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DENSE SKULLS PEOPLE.

9/24/2008 1:19:13 AM

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"i fully admit that i'd shoot someone breaking into my car...not in the face, but perhaps in the ass or shoulder...something that would hurt unless it looked like they had a gun, too...i don't know if i could shoot someone to kill, but if you're stealing MY stuff and it looks like you might be capable and willing to shoot ME...yeah, i think i'd rather you suffer instead"

Have fun in the butt hut.

9/24/2008 1:20:22 AM

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"gotta love it. Kid breaks into house, lookin to steal shit, and he is made out to be the victim. nail the KID to the wall"

How do you know he was in there to steal? Maybe he was just being a curious, dumb kid. Where I grew up in NJ, there were a couple of abandoned houses in the woods near our place. My sister and I used to break into them just out of curiosity more than anything. You can see some cool shit in old abandoned houses.

9/24/2008 6:12:18 AM

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"My sister and I used to break into them "

maybe you shouldnt be, oh i dont know, breaking into places

9/24/2008 8:07:35 AM

Well when you're 10 and a place is in the middle of nowhere empty for as long as you've been alive, you're not really thinking that someone will be in there, or booby traps for that matter. We did sometimes find some raccoons camping out though

9/24/2008 8:10:29 AM