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" Add to that all the hormones and shit they give them."

The hormones don't have the effect on human health (if any) like the organic people want you to believe.

9/23/2008 10:33:01 PM

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"It is actually very sweet -- much sweeter than cow's milk. I do not think that drinking breast milk is necessarily disgusting."

That's what I've heard.

9/23/2008 10:35:07 PM

Because no one reads the last post:

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"I have tasted my own breast milk. It is not gross. It is actually very sweet -- much sweeter than cow's milk. I do not think that drinking breast milk is necessarily disgusting. HOWEVER, as I stated in the other thread about using breast milk in restaurants: there are a lot of drugs and illnesses that can be passed through breast milk. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to consume a complete stranger's breast milk. The amount of screening necessary would be comparable to blood donation. It would just be crazy. Not to mention, it takes a lot of work to produce very little milk. Mothers who have extra milk that meet guidelines donate their breast milk to milk banks for the use of infants other than their own."

And, just the foods that a mother eats impacts her breast milk. It would just be crazy to try to use human milk for the consumption of the general populace.

9/23/2008 10:35:35 PM

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"Yeah, the idea is a bit creepy, but more importantly... how the FUCK do you suppose a company is supposed to get that goddamn much HUMAN MILK!?!?? Titty farms? Like in the fucking Matrix but with breast milk? It's completely fucking stupid, dehumanizes women and humanity in general (I'm not offended on a personal level, but other people certainly should be), and it's COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID."

I don't think anyone is seriously entertaining the idea of going to the grocery store and buying a gallon jug of breast milk.

Other than PETA...

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 10:41 PM. Reason : fucking peta nutjobs..]

9/23/2008 10:40:32 PM

I don't think PETA seriously wants a switch from cow's milk to human milk.

But who can say?

9/23/2008 10:43:37 PM

PETA is an organization full of idiots.

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"The fact that human adults consume huge quantities of dairy products made from milk that was meant for a baby cow just doesn't make sense"

Neither does adults consuming milk meant for baby humans.

Where in the world are they going to find enough healthy lactating women to make that much milk? Idiots, considering how much more milk 1 cow makes compared to 1 human female. That is a lot of women!

9/23/2008 10:44:32 PM

^^^ haha, I'm sure these guys wouldn't mind going to the store to buy a gallon jug.

http://www.closeronline.co.uk/RealLife/Reallifestories/breast-milk-woman.aspx?dateonline=Tuesday+27+May+2008&pos=3

9/23/2008 10:45:38 PM

Studies have shown that humans benefit from breast milk up until the age of seven. I am not sure that anyone mother or child would want to breastfeed much beyond that point.

9/23/2008 10:46:14 PM

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"considering how much more milk 1 cow makes compared to 1 human female. That is a lot of women!"

^, ^^^, you best get to it then!

9/23/2008 10:47:56 PM

9/23/2008 10:51:08 PM

lol

i remember the first time that i saw that picture.
i think that Snewf posted it.

9/23/2008 10:52:14 PM

obligatory:

9/23/2008 10:57:21 PM

They say the average American consumes five ounces of meat and dairy per day. I don't consume any. So does that mean you'll increase your intake by fifteen ounces? That's going to be a lot of calories.

9/23/2008 11:08:14 PM

^ Not really.

I cooked 1 lbs of chicken for just dinner tonight. Lunch is often several slices of turkey, ham, salami on a sandwich. I lose track of how much milk I drink, but I go through a gallon every 4-5 days.
15 ounces. PLZ.



When PETA is doing their thing in the brickyard, I buy 3 chick-fil-a sandwichs everyday to eat in front of them. One is plenty, but that week I eat 15 sandwich just to show those bastards.

9/23/2008 11:15:53 PM

Today, I had:

Breakfast- 3 egg omelet with sausage, cheese, and green peppers and 2 glasses of milk
Lunch- tuna sandwich made with 2 cans of tuna fish (i was hungry, what can I say)
Dinner- Pasta with italian sausage and mozzarella sticks and another 2 glasses of milk

that has to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the 3:1 ratio.

So you're a vegetarian. Good for you. More meat for me.
So you're a vegan. Sucks for you. You've already started decomposing you smelly dirty hippie.

9/23/2008 11:30:10 PM

Looks as if my numbers were a bit low. Red meat, poultry, and fish consumption alone comes out to 8.63 ounces per person per day.

http://www.usda.gov/factbook/chapter2.htm

Care to eat an extra 25 ounces of meat each day?

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM. Reason : added link]

9/23/2008 11:34:30 PM

you eat animals or they'll eat you.

9/23/2008 11:35:10 PM

^ That has not been my experience.

9/23/2008 11:36:54 PM

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"you eat animals or they'll eat you."

yes! you either eat others, or be eaten. It's life. Herbivore = food for other species. Why PETA doesn't understand that, I don't know.

9/23/2008 11:39:58 PM

Plenty of carnivores also serve as prey.

In any case, we modern humans have little to fear from hungry animals. I doubt being vegan puts me at greater risk of puma sneak attack.

9/23/2008 11:43:17 PM

^You're vegan?

Excuse my while I stifle my laughter.

(well, if you're doing it for health reasons, that's perfectly fine and understandable. but if it's a moral issue? pffff)

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2008 11:45:30 PM

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"The only human breast milk I drink comes from my mom..."

Though in general, I'd say that PETA's higher-ups go for shock value as much as real beliefs, you don't find it funny that you're willing to drink a cow's milk and not the milk of another human? I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do either or should or shouldn't find it funny, but surely you see the hypocrisy?

I've never had breast milk that wasn't my mother's when I was an infant either, and I'm not sure how I feel about drinking breast milk, but it's not for any reason I can explain that easily.




[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 12:00 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2008 11:47:42 PM

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"you eat animals or they'll eat you."

9/23/2008 11:48:03 PM

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"Excuse my while I stifle my laughter."

No need to hold back on my account.

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"well, if you're doing it for health reasons, that's perfectly fine and understandable."

No vegan diet has health benefits beyond what a reasonable omnivorous diet could provide.

9/23/2008 11:50:38 PM

9/23/2008 11:51:53 PM

I was raised as a vegetarian. I do currently eat meat, but it is very little. I have absolutely no problem with whatever kind of diet one chooses or the motivational reasons behind such a choice. However, it is extremely difficult to eat a properly balanced diet as a vegan.

9/23/2008 11:53:58 PM

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"However, it is extremely difficult to eat a properly balanced diet as a vegan."

No, it isn't. To be sure, get a few supplements. Beyond that, focus on the same things anyone should be eating: whole grains, nuts, fruit, and vegetables.

9/23/2008 11:57:57 PM

and nothing else.

9/23/2008 11:59:30 PM

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"The hormones don't have the effect on human health (if any) like the organic people want you to believe."

1.) The "organic people" don't "want you to believe" certain things. There is corruption in the organic industry, as there is in all other industries, but the organic movement started out as groups of concerned citizens and those who wanted to eat less modified foods. There is certainly a move towards propaganda coming from the larger organic producers now, but to generalize the industry as a whole as "the organic people" shows a lack of knowledge.
2.) Your statement, however, is generally true. The hormones themselves don't appear to have any biological risk factors in humans so far. The research is not nearly complete enough, however, and when it first started being used, it was allowed with little or no research. The fact that we're finally learning it's safe is merely lucky for us and the dairy industry.
3.) There are still some worries as to the results of consumption of rbgh:
Chan JM, Stampfer MJ, Giovannucci E, et al (1998). "Plasma insulin-like growth factor-I and prostate cancer risk: a prospective study". Science 279 (5350): 563–6.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9438850
Steinman G (2006). "Mechanisms of twinning: VII. Effect of diet and heredity on the human twinning rate". J Reprod Med 51 (5): 405–10 (possible increased number of twins resulting from rbgh) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16779988
higher risk of diabetes and a shorter lifespan in animal studies
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7117/abs/nature05354.html

9/24/2008 12:01:27 AM

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"Plenty of carnivores also serve as prey. In any case, we modern humans have little to fear from hungry animals. I doubt being vegan puts me at greater risk of puma sneak attack."

I know that. (Fish!!)
I was actually thinking the other way around. Herbivore being spared?
lol @ puma sneak attack.

9/24/2008 12:05:01 AM

Do adult gorillas have any predators beyond humans?

(Of course, they're not quite completely vegetarian.)

9/24/2008 12:07:18 AM

Humans were not designed to be vegan. Period. In an environment devoid of modern conveniences, a human would die in an attempt to consume a vegan diet. I cannot imagine the amount of time an effort that would go into an early human attempting to consume an entirely vegan diet.

And most modern humans who try to consume a vegan diet fail. They either do not have the resources or the education to consume a vegan diet with the proper nutrients.

9/24/2008 12:10:03 AM

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"Gorillas are vulnerable to predation by leopards (Panthera pardus), though direct documentation of attacks is difficult to obtain and rare. Evidence from leopard scat in areas where gorillas range is often the only means of confirming leopard predation, though even this is questionable as the large cats could simply be scavenging carcasses"

http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/gorilla

Africans think gorillas are tasty too.

9/24/2008 12:17:52 AM

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"In an environment devoid of modern conveniences, a human would die in an attempt to consume a vegan diet."

Not true. While rare, vegans existed before the modern era. If you don't wash your vegetables as thoroughly as we do, you can get B12 from the bacteria. That's one reason why they didn't die off. (This method not recommended!)

By the way, you realize many poor people across the world eat nearly vegan diets, right? They consume animal products when they can, but that ain't too often or in large quantities.

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"They either do not have the resources or the education to consume a vegan diet with the proper nutrients."

It does take a fair bit of research, I'll give you that.

9/24/2008 12:17:52 AM

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"Humans were not designed to be vegan. "

humans were not designed to be or do a lot of things.

9/24/2008 12:32:51 AM

i think we need to worry about the ethical treatment of humans, then when that's taken care of we can start with the ethical treatment of animals

9/24/2008 12:55:23 AM

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" By the way, you realize many poor people across the world eat nearly vegan diets, right?"

They also have a crappy life expectancy.

9/24/2008 5:59:49 AM

damn, if tww thinks its crazy its just gotta be like some kind of super musty hippie bullshit. like granting the moon legal custody of all sunflowers, thats like totally fine with tww

9/24/2008 6:38:57 AM

^ hahahahahaha don't give PETA any ideas.

9/24/2008 6:40:14 AM

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"i think we need to worry about the ethical treatment of humans, then when that's taken care of we can start with the ethical treatment of animals"

Humans are animals. Thanks for playing.

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"I could never see myself eating non-dairy icecream. It just doesn't make any sense. It'd be like a pizza with no cheese or a salad without lettuce."

My life suddenly makes no sense.

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"So you're a vegan. Sucks for you. You've already started decomposing you smelly dirty hippie."

I'd say life is going great actually.

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"You're vegan? Excuse my while I stifle my laughter. (well, if you're doing it for health reasons, that's perfectly fine and understandable. but if it's a moral issue? pffff)"

Oh wait, suddenly morals aren't good enough? Just because mine don't agree with whatever ones you have, doesn't make them any less valid.

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"However, it is extremely difficult to eat a properly balanced diet as a vegan."

It's not as hard as people claim.

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"In an environment devoid of modern conveniences, a human would die in an attempt to consume a vegan diet."

lolz. Is that why developing countries are moving toward the classic American diet and away from their traditional vegan diets? Beans and rice are vegan and that's pretty classic everywhere.

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"They also have a crappy life expectancy."

Which is totally due to what they eat, right? Not the amount they can afford to eat, or lack of health care, or getting eaten by a rhino?

9/24/2008 7:25:35 AM

lets just rig the server to auto-move topics to the fucking soapbox whenever someone includes three or more quote boxes in a single post plz

9/24/2008 7:30:28 AM

At least it would be out of Chat Chat then.

9/24/2008 7:32:47 AM

^^^ I'm simply saying that saying poor people are "nearly vegan" doesn't in any way, shape, or form suggest that it's a healthy or healthier diet than another diet.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 7:34 AM. Reason : .]

9/24/2008 7:33:57 AM

^ Which isn't what I was saying. But people do exist on a vegan diet without iPods and microwaves, which was your point I guess.

9/24/2008 7:36:21 AM

I have no respect for vegetarians and vegans. Your reasoning and logic is flawed, your diet is not nearly as diverse, and you spew your nonsense out loud and attempt to curtail my choice to eat meat.

Humans climbed to the top of the food chain. Why the fuck should I eat like a rabbit. If you don't want to eat meat, that's your stupid fucking choice. This is America, I can eat whatever fucking animal I want to. And no, humans and animals are not equal, "animal rights" is one of the largest piles of shit around, "humane" treatment of animals doesn't even make sense, they eat each other, thus I can eat them.


And no, I'm not pro-beating/killing/torturing/etc animals. But let's get shit straight - they're fucking animals.

9/24/2008 7:38:06 AM

My original comment was in regards to

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" By the way, you realize many poor people across the world eat nearly vegan diets, right? They consume animal products when they can, but that ain't too often or in large quantities."

and previous comments made by him.

so it doesn't really matter what you were trying to say since it was out of context

9/24/2008 7:53:10 AM

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"many poor people across the world eat nearly vegan diets, right? They consume animal products when they can, but that ain't too often or in large quantities.""

This is about the dumbest fucking statement ever.

And they aren't "nearly vegan" by choice dipshit. So by your statements, being vegan is for the poor/uneducated/3rd world countries and we should try to end veganism, just as we do with hunger.

And I'd venture to say that more poor people across the world hunt/venture for meat/etc than eat twigs and berries.

9/24/2008 8:01:00 AM

omg I bet that coconut milk ice cream is teh winz

9/24/2008 8:05:53 AM

^ I know right? I want to try it now!

9/24/2008 8:11:13 AM

i wish i have been burning one with ol ben and jerry when that letter came in

woulda been a lolercaust fo realz

9/24/2008 8:17:15 AM