Page two ain't voting for nobody.

10/1/2008 11:56:01 PM

Yeah, not voting.

10/2/2008 12:06:14 AM

10/2/2008 2:02:28 AM

We really just need another system altogether, but yes, we need more than two parties.

10/2/2008 11:54:40 AM

I hate democracy, so I'm not voting. Democracy is communism, unlimited submission to the collective will, in our case defined and articulated by about 500 or so thoroughly corrupt people and the lobbyists who own them.

I don't need to be governed, most of the people I know don't need to be governed, we mostly are capable of governing ourselves. The few people I know who do need to be governed would either quickly learn how to govern themselves or wouldn't last long without a government around to protect them.

In solving the problems of providing the goods and services people desire in order to live the lives they seek, government can be of no use. Government is force. Behind every law, behind every regulation, behind every tax-funded program, is a man with a gun who stands ready to do violence against you, should you fail to show sufficient enthusiasm for the planner's agenda. Government's foundation on force makes it incapable of satisfactorily solving the problem of knowledge. Those who own various resources individually possess a great deal of knowledge about how the resources can be used, and have access to even more information through the price system. If people are required to limit themselves to voluntary, non-violent means of acquiring resources, they have to take the prior owner's knowledge of that resource's best uses into consideration, and offer him enough value to induce him to voluntarily part with the resource, if they want them for their own uses. Thus, resources, tend to end up in the hands that can best use them to satisfy the demands of consumers. Gun-toting terrorcrats, have no reason and no way to take the knowledge of others into consideration when making decisions about the expropriation and use of resources. Anything they do will be arbitrary, without rational basis, and destructive. It is inconceivable that they could give us value comparable to the resources they pillage from us.

Limited government is a sham and a fraud. Government must be the highest authority within a given geographical area, or it is no government. Such an authority cannot be trusted to restrain itself when it must necessarily have final jurisdiction in disputes arising over questions of the extent of its lawful authority. Splitting government into branches is nothing more than slight of hand. Supreme courts and constitutions are, after all, government supreme courts and government constitutions. They exist to legitimize and rationalize tyranny and usurpation, not to prevent it.

The power to tax, once admitted, is necessarily absolute. If any tax can be permitted, no tax, no matter how burdensome, can be prohibited. If a 1% tax is okay, so is a 2% tax, or 10% or 20% or 90% or 100%. There is no non-arbitrary boundary between a fair level of taxation and an onerous, burdensome level. The only distinction that can be drawn is between some taxes and no tax at all.

The power to legislate, once admitted, is necessarily absolute. If men can be permitted to draft laws, that is laws of their own devising - separate from and above the natural laws of justice and right conduct - then no law, no matter how absurd, foolish, criminal, malicious or predatory, can be proscribed.

There are two kinds of government, self-government, and absolute despotism. I choose self-government.

[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 9:55 PM. Reason : ']

10/2/2008 9:35:20 PM

Note: If you don't vote, you're not allowed to whine about the government.

10/2/2008 10:03:36 PM

lolz I used to say that, but its such an idiotic saying, especially the people who take that to mean you need to vote for one of the two parties that matter when it comes to having a legitimate chance to win.

10/2/2008 10:18:48 PM

Sadly under our current system a third party is not a legitimate solution. I continue to vote Libertarian in the hopes that they can supplant one of the current two or in the hopes that the pubs and dems will just unite into the one party they already are.

10/2/2008 10:22:56 PM

The Libertarian Party isn't a credible force and it's already corrupt and sold-out. You can bet that'd only get worse if the LP becomes more influential.

The government can't be reformed from within. It's not just that the government is corrupt, its that the government is corruption.

10/2/2008 10:28:45 PM

Yeah, it is quite a bit away from it's roots on a national level. Fortunately on the local level you still have a lot of real Libertarians. I'm hardly pleased with Barr, but he's better than the other two options.

Yeah, changing it from within is probably impossible, what we really need is a full scale collapse or a full scale revolution. Either one would be great really.

10/2/2008 10:35:09 PM

my polling place is the method community center

10/3/2008 12:15:37 AM

Mine too. Don't go there after sunset.

10/3/2008 2:46:46 AM

Quote :

"Yeah, changing it from within is probably impossible, what we really need is a full scale collapse or a full scale revolution. Either one would be great really."

This is what happens when naivety meets intellectual laziness.

10/3/2008 3:05:40 AM

^ever think you might be the naive and intellectually lazy one? Thinking that government can actually change for the better? arent we promised sweeping changes every year by every politician? and yet the system that threw you overboard continues to chug along but with a few different faces every year?

10/3/2008 9:05:52 AM

Do you realize how much suffering and violence there'd be if our government collapsed or there was a "full-scale" revolution? Not to mention -- what would happen to our military and police apparatus in the event of a collapse? What would happen to the regions of the globe we're currently stabilizing?

Anybody who thinks a collapse is a great idea isn't thinking hard enough.

10/3/2008 10:11:07 AM

This video clip is relevant to this discussion,

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/186530/october-01-2008/colbert-teen-talk---voter-abstinence

10/3/2008 10:14:31 AM

Quote :

"Note: If you don't vote, you're not allowed to whine about the government."

and according to TSB you're not even allowed to care about politics

^saw that last night...pretty funny

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM. Reason : .,]

10/3/2008 10:15:36 AM

Quote :

"Do you realize how much suffering and violence there'd be if our government collapsed or there was a "full-scale" revolution?"

Just like when the USSR collapsed, right? That was widely heralded as a humanitarian disaster.

10/3/2008 11:33:36 AM

Quote :

"What would happen to the regions of the globe we're currently stabilizing?"

Which regions would those be exactly?

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM. Reason : quote]

10/3/2008 11:18:20 PM

Quote :

"Note: If you don't vote, you're not allowed to whine about the government."

actually, I'd say such a person would have every right to whine about it, cause he didn't elect the bastards that are fucking it up in the first place.




btw, we need a joke about abstinence-based education here, lawls

10/4/2008 1:52:40 AM

AHAHA, holy shit. I was going to write something about "rational voter abstension," but I wanted to make sure I spelled it properly. I googled "rational voter abstension" and found one other person in the internet galaxy who "prefers" that spelling. Apparently, she's on this website called TWW, and her name is BridgetSPK.

HOW CAN I POSSIBLY BE THE ONLY ONE? AND WHY DIDN'T YOU FUCKERS SAY ANYTHING?

[Edited on October 4, 2008 at 2:14 AM. Reason : abstention, for all the idiots out there like me.]

10/4/2008 2:13:38 AM

i hope numerous republicans abstain from this election

10/4/2008 3:57:03 AM

I hope obama's judgement has improved since he chose his wife.

kidding


but maybe not

10/4/2008 8:10:58 AM