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"3) It's the fucking Daily Show, if you are enlightened by it, you need to seek help. You should be entertained by it."

10/22/2008 12:33:46 PM

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"Haha, last night's was even better. They showed a clip of McCain 2000 speaking at a university, explaining to a student why it's ok to tax the rich more than everyone else. "

Show me where he has advocated taxing everyone at the same level. Tax cuts for the rich don't mean that they won't still be paying more than their fair share.

10/22/2008 12:44:18 PM

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"Show me where he has advocated taxing everyone at the same level. Tax cuts for the rich don't mean that they won't still be paying more than their fair share."

This statement suggests that it'd be "fairer" to pass more of the burden to those with significantly less disposable income.

Explain to me how you hold this position?

10/22/2008 12:51:15 PM

^^^Entertainment and enlightenment are not mutually exclusive.

But good going parroting someone elses thought, like you do with your daddy.

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2008 12:51:19 PM

I didn't need the Daily Show to tell me that being a small town mayor doesn't prepare you for jack.

If it's anything like NC, Mayor is basically a figurehead, and that's it. They attend and run the meetings, they have to sign all the checks and maybe write a statement or letter every now and then.

Professional city managers, hired by the council/aldermen are who really runs the town in most of America.

Mayors don't even have a vote on the ordinances or policies unless there is a tie, and considering most cities have an odd number of councilmen, this happens rarely.

10/22/2008 1:00:28 PM

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"But good going parroting someone elses thought, like you do with your daddy"

if youve ever done a research paper, then youve parroted someone elses thoughts


and my parents are actually the least political people i know















NEXT

10/22/2008 1:04:59 PM

I'd say the fact that Fox News tried to copy The Daily Show means it's at least relevant as a news show/political commentary platform... which it is.

10/22/2008 1:08:05 PM

whaa?

10/22/2008 1:12:21 PM

Believe he's referring to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1/2_Hour_News_Hour

"Presidential Addresses — Radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh had a recurring cameo role as the President, with conservative pundit Ann Coulter as his Vice President."

*shudder*

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2008 2:02:23 PM

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" This statement suggests that it'd be "fairer" to pass more of the burden to those with significantly less disposable income. "

It would be "fairer" if we were all taxed the same. This is my opinion. Fair comes down to numbers, because that is the only true way we can quantify anything, and taxing some people more than other is simply not fair. I am not rich, nor are my parents, but you will never have me agree that people should be punished by paying higher tax rates due to their success, their luck, or whatever it was that got them into that upper bracket.

In response to the above quote, care to explain how lessening the burden across the board is the same as "pass[ing] more of the burden to those with less". That may be the case if mccain wanted to raise taxes on the poor.

10/22/2008 2:31:36 PM

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"Fair comes down to numbers, because that is the only true way we can quantify anything, and taxing some people more than other is simply not fair."

You need to read this thread: http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=545060&page=2#12185154

Also, taxes aren't "punishment" for success, that is a meaningless statement people on the right like to push, but has no basis in reality.

10/22/2008 2:37:15 PM

"redistribution of wealth"

just as the founder of capitalism, adam smith, would have wanted

10/22/2008 2:37:36 PM

^ Something John McCain and every republican president since FDR supports.

You people must be really hate America.

10/22/2008 2:38:42 PM

we differ on the extent for this redistribution

10/22/2008 2:45:05 PM

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""redistribution of wealth" just as the founder of capitalism, adam smith, would have wanted"

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"Some economists[15] trace the origin of modern progressive taxation to Adam Smith, who wrote in The Wealth of Nations: The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax

I guess you're right.

10/22/2008 3:17:52 PM

^ hehe

10/22/2008 4:08:00 PM

^^ I LOVE LOVE LOVE when people say shit about things they don't know anything about. I've actually read Adam Smith. I've also read Marx. Have you guys? Thanks for pointing that out, Euro. They'll just ignore and spin it, of course.

[Edited on October 22, 2008 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2008 4:13:26 PM

She doesn't know how unbelievably stupid she comes off. Overconfident idiots are the most dangerous kind. I'm too young to really remember Dan Quayle but from what I know of him he seemed more to not be able to convert his thoughts to words...Palin just doesn't have a clue. I could list all the questions where she has just...failed miserably but those are bad memories that I'd rather not revisit.

...and Palin is more likely to actually become POTUS =((((

10/22/2008 9:14:34 PM

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" I have to wonder, why are you so optimistic on her future, apparently as a Republican leader? What career path do you foresee her taking after this embarrassment of a VP-run that will lead to such great things for her?"

Well, the same as Huckabee. They're both basically know-nothings but they are both very well-liked amongst those inclined to vote for them.

I don't give Palin very much credit as an executive or a (potential) stateswoman, but she does have the X factor that makes one a successful politician in America. People identify with her. She is charismatic in her own way. Personally I tend to vote more for ideological or practical reasons but a very large percentage of this country votes based on identity, and her image in that regard is great for her future.

She's also audacious and gets too little credit for that. Not many people would go from nothing to debating Joe Biden in front of tens of millions weeks later.

Personally I wish McCain would give her the boot and that Americans would wake up. But they won't, and underestimating her potential is a mistake. If Obama wins she'll be a favorite in 2012 and beyond.

10/24/2008 3:33:08 PM

I actually found some Palin supporters at work today, which was unexpected among a bunch of engineers (still mostly conservative, otherwise). The bottom line was that the palin-supporters all had a strong aversion to leaders who appeared academic. However, most of my college-educated co-workers think palin goes too far in the other direction and doesn't pass their lowest required threshold for intellectual ability.


It should go without saying that the actual ideal choice would be in a sweet spot where they are intelligent and can get things done.

10/25/2008 1:39:30 AM

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"That whole "another four years of Bush" is getting a little old now. plz to try something new"

that's the point

10/25/2008 3:16:48 AM

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"She's also audacious and gets too little credit for that. Not many people would go from nothing to debating Joe Biden in front of tens of millions weeks later. "

Her audacity is what hurts her though. She will say things she doesn't actually know to be true, but say them confidently, only to be called out on it later. This strategy only works for a small segment of the population, and doesn't translate in to winning.

She does have charisma, but I don't think she has the integrity to actually use this in formulating rational policies. If she were ever president, she'd be another Bush.

10/25/2008 3:22:15 AM

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"She will say things she doesn't actually know to be true, but say them confidently, only to be called out on it later."

Sounds just like Biden, 'cept the press doesn't call him out on his gaffes.

10/25/2008 6:46:09 AM

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"Sounds just like Biden, 'cept the press doesn't call him out on his gaffes."

wait, what?

what the fuck are you talking about?

joe biden doesn't get called out on his gaffes?

look, another partisan retard.

10/25/2008 2:16:26 PM

I just watched it and I was lolling all the way through...

I love the clip on Wasila, and all the people that were interviewed. Especially the [retarded] Mayor, and the guy in the bar talking about morals and going to Church, when all of his exposed body was covered with giant explicit tattoos of naked women, women he had actually dated, married, or cheated with when married. (one of them showed a women spreading her 'lips')

It was sickening.

Oh and, Alaska has the highest rate of rapes in the US?

What happened to all the family values, real Americans, good Christians, etc that Palin keeps saying are found in Alaska?

10/25/2008 3:12:16 PM

^ my favorite part of that TDS episode was when Jason Jones was talking to the guy about the "real America" and how about how New York wasn't really part of "real America", and when Jason Jones asked him why, he said "9/11".
Then Jason Jones said "..... 9/11 happened in New York City"
"well, yeah, i mean, the destruction did -"
"- and the deaths"
"- yeah, and the deaths."
"so, how did 9/11 effect Wasilla again?"
"well, it really hurt the economy"

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"If Obama wins she'll be a favorite in 2012 and beyond."

Obama v. Palin? I would love to see that!

10/25/2008 7:11:01 PM

^ Oh yeah... how could I forget that! That made ZERO sense.

Are people in Alaska retarded or something? Inbred? I bet the natives are normal... but those white people are completely out of whack.

WTF?

10/25/2008 9:11:13 PM

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"Sounds just like Biden, 'cept the press doesn't call him out on his gaffes."

He even gets called out for them on the Daily Show. Its best to actually have a basis for your claim before you make them.

Which brings me to my next point. What i think the user was referring to above- the comment which sparked whats quoted here above- is that Palin will recite things and spout them off as fact only to have them thrown back in her face later. (e.g. the VP runs the senate and can get in there and really make things get done). This is entirely different than stumbling on your words and having one wrong word come out while the point of what you're conveying is still valid, sound and true. This is the difference between Biden's gaffes and Palins abundance of stupid comments

10/25/2008 9:34:18 PM

Even if Palin runs in the primaries in 2012 she wouldn't be nominated. Huckabee was just as conservative as she was and far more likeable and intelligent. She'll be unable to garner the nomination for the same reasons he wasn't and many more. She'll be remembered as the babbling overdressed diva who sank the platform.

10/25/2008 11:09:23 PM