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"Here is why the Big Ten can suck it and no Big Ten team should play in the NT game: 1 - Your conference is called the Big Ten, but you have 11 teams. Fix that. 2 - You don't have a conference championship and you don't play a full schedule. Pick one. The PAC 10 (which doesn have ten teams) actually plays a full 9 game conference schedule, the Big East plays a full slate of conference games. The Big 12, SEC, and ACC play have divisions and a conference championship game. In 5 of the 6 BCS conferences there is a legitimate champion. Only in the Big Ten do you end up with the completely fucked proposition of 2 teams going undefeated in conference play and "co champions." Due to the "unique" setup of this league it is entirely too easy for 2 teams from this soft as butter conference to go to BCS games. Fix it. Either drop somebody, pick somebody up, or play 10 conference games. 3 - Your conference is shitty year in and year out. You can expect to see 2 good teams max in the Big Ten in a given year, but since it is so top heavy it's easy for the 4 or 5 decent teams to inflate their records. It's very similar to how the ACC used to be (when FSU was good and everyone else blew). It must be nice to look over your schedule and see Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan State (who is hit or miss at best), and Minnesota who all traditionally suck and then get a couple other teams on "down years". This year, the ACC, which blows epic cock has 8 teams over .500. The Big Ten has 6. 4 - Your fans are so fucking stupid that they'd rather play in a meaningless bowl game than have a true national title game. I'm all for letting the Big Ten and the PAC 10 play in the rose bowl every year then the rest of the country can just go back to ignoring them as usual. The only problem is that every couple of years USC is actually legitimately good enough to contend for a national title so we'll miss out on seeing them play Florida or Texas. Big fucking deal."

1. that has nothing to do with football, good point!

2. the Pac 10 has less teams, and thus can play a full schedule, same with the big east who has even less (and shittier) teams.

3. the whole conference is getting a bad rap from Ohio State getting worked in back to back BCS title games. In fact, last year, the Big Ten had the best OOC winning % against other BCS schools than any other conference. this year, the big 12 is tops, then the sec. after that, as far as conference depth, the big 10 and pac 10 are pretty equal. the acc and big east are laughable.

4. Where the fuck did you get that from? who would favor a meaningless bowl game? if you are referring to the league's tie-in with the rose bowl, that pre-dates the bowl alliance, so please, know your shit.

to summarize: know your shit before you bring your sports "knowledge" to the public.

11/13/2008 12:16:54 AM

I was waiting all night for Dammit100's epic response. It did not disappoint.

11/13/2008 1:16:03 AM

either way, their lack of a championship game is an annoying fact every season

11/13/2008 7:30:22 AM

Sorry, I don't spend my days in meditation over these things, so forgive the ignorance...

How does having a playoff reduce money making potential? I'll just make numbers up. Lets say they currently have 5 BCS bowl games and 20 loser bowls. 50 teams participate, and there are 25 games to televise. So if they move to a playoff, why can't they have 8 teams participate in the playoff and still have the other 42 teams participate in the regular old loser bowls? They'd end up with 7 televised games from the playoff and 21 televised games from the loser bowls. 28 televised games. 3 more. So how would having 3 more games to televise make them less money?

^Yeah, especially when the person sitting at the top of the conference doesn't have much to lose while everyone else risks it all. Maybe... maybe one of the people that were ahead of them in line loses to a team and somehow both teams end up ahead of them in line, but more often than not I'd think that if someone ahead of them in line loses they get an automatic bump.

[Edited on November 13, 2008 at 7:33 AM. Reason : -]

11/13/2008 7:31:13 AM

It's not as easy as "How would 3 more games make them less money"

Say they had a playoff this year and Alabama is #1 and Utah is #8. They play the first playoff game at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1. The Rose Bowl payout to the conferences is ~17 million dollars - guaranteed money to the PAC 10 and Big 10. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the Rose Bowl Committee will want to pony up ~17 million dollars to the SEC and the MWC.

Now, how many Alabama fans are going to travel to this game? They'll likely win, meaning they will play at another bowl site the next week. Say it's Miami... How in the hell would you make travel plans in a week when 3 other schools could possibly be playing at that same site next week? So these same fans MAY travel to Pasadena, but they vast majority of them would not travel to Miami as well. And if Alabama wins that game and now they travel to Arizona the next week - IF the fans can make it there they'll still only have one week to get travel plans in order.

Another key point to think about - where do they play the additional three games? The Rose Bowl twice? Back to back games?

I think a main consideration is the Bowl payouts. There are six conferences that get a guaranteed payment every single year and have for many years. These payouts keep the non-revenue sports running at every school within the conference. If there was an 8 team playoff this year, the ACC would not receive a BCS payout. If Boise State was to finish undefeated, they might jump Penn St. and the Big 10 would not receive their Rose Bowl payout.

There are many other considerations as well. Yes, there would be three more games meaning more revenue from TV and tickets. However, I don't see a playoff system any time soon until people realize much more goes into the process than they think.

11/13/2008 10:06:00 AM

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"Say they had a playoff this year and Alabama is #1 and Utah is #8. They play the first playoff game at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1. The Rose Bowl payout to the conferences is ~17 million dollars - guaranteed money to the PAC 10 and Big 10. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the Rose Bowl Committee will want to pony up ~17 million dollars to the SEC and the MWC."

lol!

If they wouldn't want to pony up 17 mil to a #8 MWC and a #1 SEC time, how do you think they'd feel about a #8 MWC and a #12 Big 12 team? You'd seriously doubt that even more, right?

Well that's exactly what the Fiesta Bowl did at the end of the 2006-2007 season. Did you hear about that one? Most people think it was one of the most exciting college football games ever played.

[Edited on November 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM. Reason : !2006]

11/13/2008 10:29:14 AM

oops, BSU's in the WAC. well, i stand corrected, that is a much bigger powerhouse conference than the MWC.

11/13/2008 11:10:21 AM

You need to look a little deeper into the Rose Bowl Committee you condescending prick.

There is no chance in fucking hell that both OU and BSU would ever play in the Rose Bowl. Ever. One Big 12 team, yes, maybe again.

And yes I know about the Fiesta Bowl game. Legendary. How many Boise State fans would have traveled from Arizona to Miami the next week if it was a playoff game?

11/13/2008 11:30:33 AM

Two years ago, there was an article on ABC, the Big 10, the Pac-10 and the Rose Bowl having a monopoly that was very lucrative for all parties concerned. If you got ABC to drop the Rose Bowl, there would be fewer barriers to a playoff, but with the 6 preceding posts facts considered and ESPN buying up the BCS, it will never happen.

Too bad.

11/13/2008 2:16:51 PM

The Rose Bowl game has been played over 90 times. It was the first college football game ever telecast nationally. The Rose parade is an institution and a traditional family event (I don't watch it but it's been going on forever, I'm sure generations sit down and watch it together).

As far as tradition, in the 40's the old PAC 10 and the old Big 10 were the only conferences that allowed blacks to play in every school within the conference. They signed an accord in the 40's that stated the Big 10 and PAC whatever conference champs would play each other every year - 20 years before any other bowl was integrated.. Their deal with ABC is firm as ^ stated.

The playoff won't happen as long as the Rose Bowl is a BCS Bowl. They will not give up over 100 years of tradition to become the "Round 1 BCS Bowl presented by CITI". There is no other Bowl with this tradition - hell until 3 years ago the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl was played in the worst NFL stadium - now it's played in a stadium sponsored by an online university.



[Edited on November 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM. Reason : s]

11/13/2008 2:48:39 PM

- It doesnt matter about traveling to these games.

- No one worries about that in basketball, locals just buy up tickets and go to the tournament games

- An 8 team playoff would be the only solution

- It could be held at bowl games but the festivities surrounding it would have to be lessened.

- Play the quarterfinals and semifinals the two weekends following the conference championships

- take 2 weeks to build up for a national title game

- take the 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at large bids

- Use the BCS Standings to determine the top 8 teams

11/13/2008 2:49:29 PM

Haha yeah, the BCS Bowls REALLY want the locals to buy all the tickets. Check out the economic impact a BCS Bowl has on a city.... It's from out of town people, not average Joe's who drive to their homes after the game. It's Executives who could give two shits about who wins, sadly. They drop $400 a night on hotels and eat out for 2 or 3 days.

Straight from the BCS website....

Revenue

Before the BCS was created, conferences without automatic berths in the "major" bowl games received no revenue from those games. In the first nine years of the BCS system, more than $70 million was distributed to conferences that do not have an annual automatic berth in the system.

Economic Impact

The total economic impact in the host cities from the five BCS games in January 2008, was estimated at more than $1.2 billion.



There aren't 93,000 locals in Pasadena that are gonna drop $300 for a ticket to see Boise State and Oklahoma or Utah and Texas Tech. I'm not arguing with anyone, but this aint gonna happen any time soon, no matter how much people bitch and complain. And like I said before, the Rose Bowl isn't going to host the game and the Parade on December 14th or whatever, they'd tell everyone Fuck Off and there's nothing anyone could do about it.

[Edited on November 13, 2008 at 3:07 PM. Reason : f]

11/13/2008 2:59:54 PM

I didnt mean "locals" as in person who lives in that town

I meant "locals" as in if I knew the NCAA tournament was going to be in Charlotte or a neighboring city I would try to go.

The BCS bowls sell the majority of their tickets before the teams are even announced.

People get orange bowl or rose bowl tickets without any concern for who is going to be playing in the game.

And you are wrong about this, I think the playoffs are as close as they have ever been to happening

It is a matter of a year to three years before we will have a plus one game and then that will do so well and the outcry for more than 4 teams will be so loud that an 8 team playoff is about 4-6 years away

11/13/2008 4:23:17 PM

I know what you mean. We had an NCAA regional 30 miles from me and I went. Bought tickets for both days for $60 from a scalper. It's not the same thing though... Even if it was 2 hours away I would have driven home each day. I wouldn't buy a plane ticket, stay in a hotel two nights, and eat out everywhere. Also, the NCAA tourney hasn't been here every year for the past 35-90 years like every BCS bowl has. As far as the tickets, they are buying them for the Traditional Rose Bowl game on January 1, not the "Round 1 BCS Rose Bowl presented by CITI". It's not the same thing at all.

I would like to see at least a four team playoff, one extra game. I just have no clue how they'd schedule it and make as much dough as they do right now while keeping everyone happy.

As far as the Big 10, IF PSU would have won out, they'd have to wait 47 days to play in the title game. That is beyond ridiculous - esp. if they had to play 2 games after that

[Edited on November 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM. Reason : l]

11/13/2008 4:38:47 PM

First of all, The Rose Bowl would never be the first round. I think if you have an 8 team playoff, the first round has to be at the home field of the top 4 teams.

The semifinals would be at two BCS bowls, which would rotate through as they do now

The championship game would just be the National Championship Game like it is now

Here is how my playoffs would look:

- Lets use the current BCS standings and pretend the conference championships have been played

Saturday Dec 13th

(8) Penn. State @ (1) Alabama 3:30

(7) Utah @ (2) Texas Tech 3:30

(6) USC @ (3) Texas 8:00

(5) Oklahoma @ (4) Florida 8:00

Saturday Dec 27

Semifinal game @ Rose Bowl 4:30

Semifinal game @ Orange Bowl 8:00

Monday Jan 5th

National Championship Game 8:00

11/14/2008 9:26:45 AM

Seriously, who doesn't get excited about those matchups?

Let's assume that the bowls and cities will lose money from on-site ticket sales and local revenue. I'm not entirely sure that's true, but let's assume that for the sake of the argument. I'd be willing to bet the TV ratings would be through the roof and the revenue from that would more than make up for it. Hell, give the conferences their cuts straight from TV revenue.

As a semi-serious college football fan, I watch hardly any of the bowls because they don't mean shit. I would be glued to my TV for those games, though.

11/14/2008 9:33:51 AM

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"I meant "locals" as in if I knew the NCAA tournament was going to be in Charlotte or a neighboring city I would try to go."

did you go to the ncaa tournament last year in raleigh?

11/14/2008 9:40:35 AM

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"Let's assume that the bowls and cities will lose money from on-site ticket sales and local revenue."

You don't have to assume anything... There are two bowls "missing" under that plan. What would they do, have the Rose Bowl or Orange Bowl have a Bowl game every other year? Not gonna happen. I guess they could have another game, but a #9 vs. #13 team isn't that appealing to people who are used to two top 10 teams.

And it's not the ticket sales as much as the local revenue. Some of those cities count on that revenue every year. What do you do, cancel the Rose Bowl parade? It's been going on for 120 years, is viewed around the world, and has a priceless PR benefit to So. Cal (Blue skies and 70 degrees, every year).

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"What is the Tournament of Roses economic Impact? * The UCLA Anderson School conducted an independent economic impact study on the 2005 Tournament of Roses events with the following key results: $208.1 million in direct expenditures and $370.3 million in total economic impact to Southern California."

And that's just the impact of one bowl...

It's all about revenue, tradition, and status quo. They won't change it just so a "real" NC of one NCAA sport can be crowned.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM. Reason : f]

11/14/2008 11:14:26 AM

nor should they. not everything in this country has to be the nfl.

11/14/2008 11:18:21 AM

look, all we want is REAL championships - not this communist bullshit.

an noone is even talking about the ratings these tournaments would get. for example take the top 8 teams right now and square them off - everybody would tune in. it would generate a hell of a lot of money for everyone involved.

and stop assuming people are retards or incapable of creativity. you can still maintain traditions worthy enough to stand the test of time. one city may lose revenue, but there's opportunity for that revenue to be made elsewhere - cry me a river.

look - sports is pretty much the only pure meritocracy we have. it is painful to see this computer generated bullshit year after year, while we never find out who the best team in the country is.

11/14/2008 11:36:48 AM

We have playoffs in other sports to determine who the best team in the country is. That's how we found out that the Giants were the best team in the NFL last year and the Phillies were the best team in the MLB this year.

Right?

11/14/2008 11:46:58 AM

BCS + 1 = problem solved! /thread

11/15/2008 12:33:13 AM

More than likely the national championship will have at least one team that did not win their conference.

SEC champ vs. Texas/Oklahoma

11/17/2008 11:29:29 AM

New ACC Alignment

ACC North: BC, Maryland, UVA, VT
ACC Central: NCSU, UNC, Duke, Wake
ACC South: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

3 division winners and 1 wildcard make the "ACC Playoffs"...1st round of playoffs is 1v4 and 2v3...the winners play in the ACC Championship game...all the other conferences get jealous

11/17/2008 11:34:04 AM

Jealous of what? The 30,000 fans in attendance for each game?

11/17/2008 11:37:36 AM

I like that system because I want to call the ACC Central the ACC NC.

Also, we're the ACC. No conference will ever be jealous of us (provided Philip Rivers doesn't spread his seed to the women in MA, MD, VA, NC, SC, GA, and FL).

11/17/2008 11:42:37 AM

despite our sub par on field play, we'd have the most bad ass conference post season setup in the country

11/17/2008 11:44:09 AM

^^There will be several conferences jealous when the ACC gets a guaranteed BCS berth and payout for a (at least) 3 loss team this year

11/17/2008 11:50:41 AM

you dont need to convince any of us that the ACC is not a good football conference, thats like us trying to convince you that tennessee isnt good this year

11/17/2008 11:56:28 AM

I would say the ACC is definitely the most competitive conference this year

11/17/2008 12:02:07 PM

Absolutely Crazy Conference

11/17/2008 12:03:06 PM

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"There will be several conferences jealous when the ACC gets a guaranteed BCS berth and payout for a (at least) 3 loss team this year"

I was just thinking about the Big 6 conferences. I forgot about the other guys.

11/17/2008 12:18:20 PM

This weeks big game predictions:

Oklahoma 45
Texas Tech 31

Penn State 30
Michigan State 17

BYU 24
Utah 22

Ohio State 47
Michigan 13

Cincinnati 26
Pitt 21

Florida State 33
Maryland 28

NC State 18
UNC 17

11/19/2008 9:42:18 AM

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"More than likely the national championship will have at least one team that did not win their conference. SEC champ vs. Texas/Oklahoma"

Actually, the nightmare scenario is that Florida loses to FSU, then beats Alabama. Missouri wins the Big 12 championship game, and the two 1 loss Big 12 South teams which didn't even make the conference championship game end up playing in the BCS title game (because USC has a shit SoS). That would be epic.

11/19/2008 10:41:46 AM

^haha to make it worse.... 1) Oregon State wins out and wins the PAC 10, plays in the Rose Bowl, and USC gets an at-large bid to another bowl 2) Oregon State wins out and wins the PAC 10, plays in the Rose Bowl, and USC plays in the NC game

11/19/2008 10:45:00 AM

Every year, I hope for the most clusterfucked situation possible so that we can have a goddamn playoff.

^^, ^Any/All of those things happening would be awesome.

11/19/2008 10:59:20 AM

any sort of rematch in the title game would be the worst thing that could happen

- oklahoma vs texas

- texas vs texas tech

or a game pitting 2 teams that didnt win their conference

- texas vs USC

11/19/2008 11:09:05 AM

I still think Oregon State will lose, and a couple of (at large) teams are praying they do.

I can't see Florida losing right now after watching them against the other USC.

11/19/2008 12:20:58 PM

USC and Florida are the 2 best teams in the country


PLEASE LET THEM PLAY FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP

11/19/2008 4:07:59 PM

^I think Texas has a legit argument of being the best team, but yeah, that's the championship game I want to see.

11/19/2008 4:46:48 PM

Florida winning the championship is sitting at +180 isn't it? If I were a betting man...

11/19/2008 4:51:21 PM

USC should win there next two games by 40 or more. I'd rather see them than Texas. As far as SOS, it is shitty but they can't help that I guess... Cal and Oregon were both top 3 teams for a while in the last couple of years, ASU was projected as a top 10 team this year, they played OSU when they were #5. Just shitty, shitty luck.

11/19/2008 4:53:45 PM

We won't have a playoff until we have a Big East/ACC NT game.

11/19/2008 8:54:20 PM

Even ESPN's game motto "Every game can change the season" is pro BCS. Which is fine with me. I'm glad ESPN got the contract for the BCS games. FOX's NC coverage was garbage.

11/19/2008 9:51:15 PM

I hate to keep bringing up the Rose Bowl and the damn parade, but the ABC contract already in place and the coming ESPN contract will set any real hopes of a playoff back until at least 2014.

11/20/2008 12:01:57 AM

Maybe we should all move to SoCal and become Pac-10 fans.

11/20/2008 12:06:25 AM

The biggest injustice that we have without a playoff system is teams getting screwed

-Lets say Oklahoma wins out, wins big 12 title game, goes to NC game and plays SEC team

* Texas would be 11-1, with a 6 pt loss on the road to Texas Tech, having beaten Oklahoma by 10 would get screwed out of it

THE SCREWING IS WHAT IS MOST UPSETTING

11/20/2008 9:12:12 AM

BCS SCENARIOS


1) Alabama - Win out and they play for National title
2) Texas - Needs OK to lose in Big 12 title game, not this week vs Ok state OR SEC champ to lose this coming week
3) Oklahoma - Win out and play for national title
4) Florida - Win out and play for national title
5) USC - Needs Oklahoma to lose, Florida lose to Florida State, Florida beat Alabama, or Texas to lose

11/24/2008 11:26:20 AM

Alabama wins out and plays for the national title

everyone else needs a PLAYOFF

11/24/2008 12:09:35 PM

Its likely that the National Title game will be a rematch of the Red River Shootout.

Oklahoma wins out and wins the Big 12 title game

Florida State upsets Florida, Florida Beats Alabama in SEC title game

Oklahoma vs. Texas - BCS title game

11/24/2008 1:47:26 PM