I'm ready for a coincidentally timed terrorist attack in December (after Obama wins); as a matter of national security with a state of emergency existing, George Bush resigns as president with his final executive decision being to elevate Dick Cheney to "Emergency War Chancellor" with unlimited authority until we capture all the turrrists.....

11/3/2008 7:22:17 PM

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"fate in his hands and he let him go"

As did the current administration when they first went into Afghanistan. The CIA urged a coordinated attack on Tora Bora - if not to breach the compound then at least to seal it and prevent escape. The defense department, Bush, Cheney, and most espescially Rumsfeild did pursue this more agressive course of action and consequently Bin Ladin escaped.

Additionally, the Bush administration was briefed on the risks posed by Bin Laden and failed to act. Clinton did fail to take a more agressive course of actiona gainst Bin Laden; this partly parralels the Tora Bora mistake. The difference was that at the time, his cruise missile strikes on al qaeda facilities were seen by many as an attempt to distract from the scandals he was facing. In stark contrast, Bush had nearly carte-blanche in terms of the aggressiveness the American people would have tolerated as long as civilian and American lives were protected within reason. Then, of course, if we really want to talk short-sightedness we can talk about the CIA breathing life into al qaeda in the first place.

The point in all this is that the course of sociopolitical movements are not easily nor often correctly pinned on a single cause. Neither is the term "cause" often able to be used honestly when discussing contributing factors in things like the 9/11 attacks. To blame it all on Clinton, or Bush, or even the CIA is disingenuous at best and most often purely miopic. We have lots of people to blame and so it's comfortable to pick the one or two in which placing fault comforts us and reaffirms our desired reality.

To me, it is doubtless that we will be subject to terrorist attacks again. There are many ways to kill in this world and many people who hate us. Mistakes will contribute to the next attacks, but to presuppose the identities of those relevant actors is not realistic. Sure, we'll all chose who to blame after the fact, but you've gone ahead and chosen to place blame without clear conception of either the mistakes to be made or good evidence for their inevitability.

Don't get me wrong, mistakes and the corresponding attacks are inevitable in the long game of it. What those mistakes are and who will make them is the kind of stuff best left in quatrain form and written by mad old italians. Why you think one person would be more likely to make mistakes in this arena is a perfectly valid source of discussion.

The binary choices you give on America's image to the world seem to lack grounding. Either we stand tall, mean, and strong or we are "pieces of shit superpower that is doing nothing to help the world.." I don't think McCain is nuts enough to lead to the first image and I don't think Obama is a care bears watching mental regressive so the second image seems pretty unlikely too. Why do you think this election is a choice between those two bizarre extremes? What policies of the candidates make you think that? I mean Obama sounded fairly willing to go into Pakistan.

11/3/2008 7:22:29 PM

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"Why do you think this election is a choice between those two bizarre extremes? What policies of the candidates make you think that?"

because of Sarah Palin......

75% of her speech content his declaring how much of a commie radical obama is; yet she represents the embodiment of the exact opposite reactionary hard core right wing. As much as she bashes Obama for being acquaintances with Bill Ayers; I in all honesty wouldn't be surprised if she sympathizes with those like Eric Rudolph. After all he was just performing god's will to punish all those baby killers at teh abortion clinic.

11/3/2008 7:29:36 PM

is there any reason to not lock this thread? i can't really stand to read it. plus, it's like 4:30 am here and i'm ready for bed.

11/3/2008 8:39:50 PM

there's my vote, duke

11/3/2008 8:42:23 PM

Yeah....because I base my opinion on the tactics of the Republican party to instill fear on me.

In case you guys weren't aware...both parties rely HEAVILY on using various fallacious arguments to persuade voters to vote for them. If you think that the Republican's are the only ones doing it then you are sheep with blinders on.

I base very little of my opinion on what either party says in a scripted form whether it's a commercial or speech and base a good deal of it on what they say when they're not reading one. Clearly the majority of this country likes the scripts because otherwise, for instance, Joe Biden would be the retarded idiotic VP candidate and not Palin.

11/3/2008 8:46:27 PM

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"because I base my opinion on the tactics of the Republican party to instill fear on me. "

Clearly, since this is the basis for the OP.

11/3/2008 8:50:21 PM

Note to duke....I like you, always have... but, and I say this with all honesty, if posting my opinion and mind you I haven't even personally insulted another poster even though almost every one of them has insulted me, means that I can't post in TSB then I will make it a point to not come back here and will instead voice my opinions in CC and when people get pissed because they say, DAMN IT MOVE IT TO TSB I will direct them to this page.

^Sarcasm doesn't always translate on the internet but I assure it, that statement was.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 8:51 PM. Reason : ^]

11/3/2008 8:50:49 PM

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"is there any reason to not lock this thread? i can't really stand to read it. plus, it's like 4:30 am here and i'm ready for bed."

Yeah, because we're embarrassing the shit out of her. We can just leave it open until she gives up.

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"^Sarcasm doesn't always translate on the internet but I assure it, that statement was."

So you're saying your entire OP was sarcasm? Nice backpedal.

You said you were being sarcastic by saying "the republican fear tactics" comment, yet your OP is basically a Sean Hannity talking point for why people shouldn't vote for Obama.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 8:54 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2008 8:52:15 PM

Embarrassing me for voicing my opinion? Embarrassing me by assuming to know all that is involved in my thought process? You guys are the ones making assumptions, not me.

No, God....just that one statement as I see you've now corrected yourself...

And I don't watch or listen to Hannity anymore than I watch anything on MSNBC.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 8:57 PM. Reason : ^]

11/3/2008 8:54:22 PM

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"You guys are the ones making the assumptions"

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"Tomorrow Night I'll Be Preparing For an Attack either by the terrorists if Obama wins, or by the Obama supporters in the inner cities if McCain wins."

11/3/2008 8:55:25 PM

I see...so if I come to a conclusion and this same opinion is shared by anyone else then I obviously am basing it on the same things. So in talking to a friend of mine who moved here from Italy who thinks Obama is the way to go because socialism worked in his country and it's a good thing when people don't have to bother with trying to buy nicer things....should I assume then that because you are voting for Obama that you came to that conclusion the same way?

11/3/2008 9:03:25 PM

what.

the.

fuck.

11/3/2008 9:05:21 PM

It's hard trying to have a conversation here because of all the immaturity and confused people. There are some emotionally damaged individuals on here that take their frustration of the world out on anyone who isn't supportive of their ideology.

11/3/2008 9:12:30 PM

did that make you feel better?

11/3/2008 9:20:51 PM

No not really, why should it? Did it make you feel better to ask me that?

11/3/2008 9:25:36 PM

i feel great!

11/3/2008 9:26:46 PM

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"75% of her speech content his declaring how much of a commie radical obama is; yet she represents the embodiment of the exact opposite reactionary hard core right wing. As much as she bashes Obama for being acquaintances with Bill Ayers; I in all honesty wouldn't be surprised if she sympathizes with those like Eric Rudolph. After all he was just performing god's will to punish all those baby killers at teh abortion clinic."

I didn't mean that extremes or extremists were not involved, I was asking about the particular "bizarre" extremes mentioned by the OP.

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"Embarrassing me for voicing my opinion? Embarrassing me by assuming to know all that is involved in my thought process? You guys are the ones making assumptions, not me."

The problem is that you are making the assumption that people here get your thought process without knowing who you are and would know you were being sarcastic. The people posting in this thread gave you the benefit of the doubt and proceeded as though you meant what you said and were being honest. People create plenty of bat-shit insane threads on this board; that holds regardless of what face of the ideological dodecahedron you look at it from too.

If you're saying your OP was just sarcasm, then the only thing people did wrong in here was take you to be honest and serious. Also, if your OP was just sarcasm then yeah Duke's right and this entire thread is just trolling and should be deleted.

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 9:53 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2008 9:46:44 PM

[Edited on November 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM. Reason : nebbermine]

11/3/2008 10:37:39 PM

I'd be more prepared for a terrorist attack if McCain wins considering al Quaeda basically gave him their coveted endorsement...along with Bush and Cheney...

11/3/2008 10:42:40 PM

terrorists arent stupid, they know Obama wants to be diplomatic and isn't going to try to invade their country like a buffoon, they do actually do these attacks for reasons, not just random "Let's kill Americans today" shits and giggles(and no that does not mean I condone terrorist attacks, or, according to Palin, "think that terrorists are the good guys")

11/3/2008 10:45:02 PM

hmmm

Which country did W invade before the terrorists struck the Twin Towers?

11/4/2008 12:24:27 AM

Bush was President from 2000 until 2001 at the time of the attack. Members of his administration had invaded countries in prior administrations.

11/4/2008 12:38:24 AM

Why is this thread in TSB? It's barely Chit Chat worthy...

And I really don't remember m2c being this crazy/ridiculous. Maybe Lute's dementia has passed on to her?

11/4/2008 1:08:19 AM

^^^^,^^^^^, Are you being serious?

If so lol.

1) This thread is a joke

2) Your ideas are crazy and wrong

11/4/2008 1:11:17 AM

Holy Christ, I can't wait until the election is over and mytwocents gets her whore ass out of this forum.

I mean, fucking-A. Goddamn, Moses-humping, taint-licking, shit-eating what-the-fuck. Dumbass cuntrag bitch-queen. "the terrorists if Obama wins." Jesus-tapdancing-Christ on a cross. I don't know if this slattern is "real" or not, but I really do fucking wish she'd go the fuck away. Fuck.

11/4/2008 2:47:35 AM

Tomorrow night George W. Bush will still be president.

So I guess if there's an attack he can screw it up just like the last time.

11/4/2008 3:08:13 AM

Wow....you guys are retarded. You do realize that tomorrow people are voting for a democrat regardless of whether it's Obama or McCain right?

Also...this country is fucked regardless of who wins because politics is a lot like TSB where lots of people talk a lot of shit, claim superiority and in the end, end up no more enlightened or informed than before but a lot more pissy and almost exclusively full of fallacious arguments with no substance...not to mention they're no better off than before.

Oh...and btw, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a riot of sorts in Chicago regardless of who wins.

11/4/2008 3:14:22 AM

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"You do realize that tomorrow people are voting for a democrat regardless of whether it's Obama or McCain right?"

Never claimed otherwise. Not that it matters. I said you were a shitbrained whore-scab for saying that an Obama victory would lead directly to a terrorist attack.

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"Oh...and btw, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a riot of sorts in Chicago regardless of who wins."

And why, precisely, do you say this?

11/4/2008 3:20:37 AM

How come if I say then I'm a shitbrained whore-scab but when Joe Biden says it, he's just speaking as the truth....?


Also...from a logistical point of view, they are having a big party at Grant park...in which there are 65,000 tickets only, but they expect the number that show up will be quadruple that...That's not going to go well

11/4/2008 3:45:12 AM

Can't find him saying that. Link?

A logistical nightmare isn't a riot. You seem to be assuming that because there will be a lot of them and they support Obama that they'll riot. I've been to a McCain, a Ron Paul, and 2 Obama rallies. The McCain crowd was, by far, the most unruly and actually spoke of violence. The other crowds were all completely civil, despite the Obama events being flooded with too many people to get in the doors.

11/4/2008 3:54:05 AM

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"If you think we're somehow going to be "incredibly vulnerable" to terrorist attack when Obama steps into the Oval office. You're an idiot. Please let me know how he is going to somehow cause all of our military, national security, homeland security, local police, and other forces to fail on a nationwide level. Please, explain that to me."

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"Seriously? You're worried about liberals rioting? Do you realize that there are a lot of people out there who believe that Barack bin Laden is running for President? They live in such a distorted version of reality, that what is about to happen tomorrow isn't even possible in their wildest nightmares. They can't even fathom the possibility that this black muslim supporter of communist Russia could possibly be elected President. Aren't you worried about what those loonies will do? They are not only more numerous than the people who would riot if McCain won, but far more scary and dangerous."

=

WIN.

11/4/2008 6:03:45 AM

You do know Joe Lieberman said the EXACT SAME THING about the new president being tested by an attack or disaster, right? The only difference is that Biden directed his comment under the assumption that Obama will win. Lieberman said it in general, regarding EITHER MAN taking office.



We're still cool, but I can't stand when people use that Biden quote without using the Lieberman one as well.

11/4/2008 6:45:51 AM