11/6/2008 12:37:22 AM

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"that reminds me of a grisham novel i just finished called the brethren, where the CIA director essentially buys the presidency for an unknown congressman so he'll double the defense budget"

VERY good book, and I've always kinda thought the obama campaign was very similar the story.

11/6/2008 12:37:32 AM

Barack Obama will be responsible for a new phenomenon. Goodbye white guilt, hello white jealousy.

11/6/2008 12:41:07 AM

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"Whoever pulled the strings to get Obama elected will pull the same strings for the next 4-8 years. Grow up and realize that money is power. A fucking black guy with no political stance, no money, and no experience just became the president. And we are coming off 8 years where a guy who was more likely to eat maple brown sugar oatmeal for breakfast than digest the national security report "ran" the country. If anything this election was to appease black people, not to empower them. The scary thing is when our economic system comes crashing down "black people" won't necessairly be black anymore. White people are going to burn too."

Well, that doesn't make me worry too much...because the people who have been "pulling the strings" have been pulled by David Plouffe and David Axelrod...pretty damn good guys. The other thing people don't realize is that Obama's campaign does a great job of actually representing Barack Obama and his passion for community organzing.

The campaigns motto has been "Respect, Empower, Include." And he has empowered, not just black people, but young people and old people. I've had women up to 86 years old and as young as 16 out knocking doors and leading their own neighborhood teams for Barack Obama.

11/6/2008 12:49:15 AM

Surrender all your fat white women

11/6/2008 1:01:14 AM

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"Whoever pulled the strings to get Obama elected will pull the same strings for the next 4-8 years. Grow up and realize that money is power. A fucking black guy with no political stance, no money, and no experience just became the president. And we are coming off 8 years where a guy who was more likely to eat maple brown sugar oatmeal for breakfast than digest the national security report "ran" the country. If anything this election was to appease black people, not to empower them. The scary thing is when our economic system comes crashing down "black people" won't necessairly be black anymore. White people are going to burn too." "

This is BY FAR the stupidest thing i've read in the past year concerning Obama.

11/6/2008 1:06:17 AM

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 1:34 AM. Reason : .]

11/6/2008 1:20:58 AM

You need me to explain why claiming someone is pulling strings to make Obama president with a nefarious goal of "appeasing" black people, is idiotic?

And Obama has one of the clearest political stances of any politician in recent years.

11/6/2008 1:25:33 AM

Nvm...thought you were responding to me...time for bed haha.

11/6/2008 1:33:17 AM

I don't support Obama's positions and I didn't vote for him. But now that he's president-elect, I would give my very life for him--and I mean this with every fiber of my being.

This is what duty, honor, and country are all about. Some will never grasp the concepts.

AMERICA! THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE!

I love my country and all that it stands for.

11/6/2008 2:27:54 AM

my sister-in-law teaches in Columbus Cty (NC) at a high school where there are Lumbee, black kids, and white kids...

she goes into class yesterday morning and one of the younger black kids is raising a ruckus to the white kids about Barack Obama being elected...the kids was getting the whole class loud and chaotic

my sister tells the kid that he needs to settle down so she can start class and he says, "you can't tell me what to do, a black guy is the president. I can do anything I want to."

Now...I am all for black people being proud of President-Elect Obama's accomplishment. A black father should teach his children to be proud of being black (even before this), simply because of the things black people have had to overcome over the last 200 years. But for a kid to be disrespectful and have a "i can do what I want" attitude is just WRONG, and it is the antithesis of what Barack Obama has done and what he represents to black people.

11/6/2008 6:43:49 AM

holy shit this needs to be locked

11/6/2008 6:55:30 AM

yep, and that "I can do what I want b/c a black man is president" attitude is something that the black race needs to nip in the bud, quickly, so the accomplishment isn't outweighed by fucktardism.

11/6/2008 6:56:23 AM

^^why does it need to be locked?

11/6/2008 6:56:45 AM

Because of the staggering amount of ignorance and not-so-thinly-veiled racism.

11/6/2008 7:27:25 AM

^^^&^^^^^
how many black people have you actually seen act in this manner. it's a stupid hs kid. i guess you didn't act in any or have any opinions in hs that you now look back on and think, oh that was immature or dumb of me.

ps - why does this thread still exist?

11/6/2008 8:42:08 AM

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"a black man being president won't advance the black race, personal accountability will."

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11/6/2008 8:54:02 AM

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"Surrender all your fat white women"

I lol'd at this...but you just wait until a mexican gets elected

11/6/2008 9:02:16 AM

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"I don't support Obama's positions and I didn't vote for him. But now that he's president-elect, I would give my very life for him--and I mean this with every fiber of my being. This is what duty, honor, and country are all about. Some will never grasp the concepts. AMERICA! THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE! I love my country and all that it stands for."

11/6/2008 10:47:02 AM

^ Mine was a serious post--and that's just stupid.

11/6/2008 10:49:08 AM

who doesn't like rocky and Bullwinkle!

11/6/2008 10:51:16 AM

Moose and squirrel?

11/6/2008 10:58:13 AM

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"I don't support Obama's positions and I didn't vote for him. But now that he's president-elect, I would give my very life for him I believe in the Constitution of the United States and will give my life to preserve it--and I mean this with every fiber of my being. This is what duty, honor, and country are all about. Some will never grasp the concepts. AMERICA! THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE! I love my country and all that it stands for."

I'm sorry, I don't follow leaders, I follow principles. I'm not implying that Obama is necessarily anti-constitutional but America has never been, and should never be, a place which elevates people over principles.

11/6/2008 12:51:44 PM

now that the president is black, i guess i can post in soap box

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

11/6/2008 5:19:53 PM

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"having a black president doesn't fix all of the problems with the black community. it doesn't make up for past years of oppression. stfu"

ok I LOL'ed when I read that....stfu dude.

11/6/2008 6:06:00 PM

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" Are you implying some sort of far-reaching Illuminati-type conspiracy, or simply run-of-the-mill political ploys and corruption?"

you must be stupid.

11/6/2008 6:11:42 PM

god i wish that salisburyboy was still posting

11/6/2008 6:16:28 PM

2nd'ed

11/7/2008 1:10:22 AM

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"I'm sorry, I don't follow leaders, I follow principles. I'm not implying that Obama is necessarily anti-constitutional but America has never been, and should never be, a place which elevates people over principles."

Seconded. Nicely put.

11/7/2008 1:32:07 AM

And which elements of the Constitution are Vix and JCASHFAN motivated to say that they are willing to die for now that Obama is President, specifically? And, to make matters more clear still, what exactly is it that they are willing to do now besides dying?

[Edited on November 7, 2008 at 2:49 AM. Reason : Basically, what is more unconstitutional about Obama than about other presidents?]

11/7/2008 2:49:00 AM

I'm interested in knowing the answer to that as well.

11/7/2008 1:02:43 PM

^^ Well, by definition, when I joined the Army I swore to "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". So, it has nothing to do with Obama or Bush or any other president. My point was quite the opposite, that the Constitution transcends presidents and has done so since George Washington asked to be called "Mr. President" instead of something more grandiloquent.

In the mean time, I will continue to remain politically active by contacting my elected representatives at all levels, working for candidates I like (when I can, a bit hard when I live 3 states away from my home district), supporting organizations I feel defend the Constitution, and generally remaining an active citizen.

11/7/2008 5:14:25 PM

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"you must be stupid."

That wasn't a serious question, I was simply implying that his post was moronic.

11/7/2008 5:17:23 PM

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"And Obama has one of the clearest political stances of any politician in recent years. "

250k for mid. class was crystal clear, then it was 220k and it was crystal clear, then it went to 200k, to 150k and now as low as 120k

CRYSTAL FKN CLEAR

11/7/2008 5:18:25 PM

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"The president of the US is nothing more but a figurehead/puppet at this point. I mean look at George W. Bush. I wouldn't trust that guy to make 1000 on the SAT for god's sake."

He made a 1206 on his SATs, actually.

[Edited on November 7, 2008 at 6:22 PM. Reason : which says more about the uselessness of SAT scores than about Bush's smarts]

11/7/2008 6:21:59 PM

^Ouch, that's still not very good pretty average.

And yeah, standardized testing isn't really a good indicator of intellect/competence, it's more or less a gauge of your vocabulary level and how much you remember from high school Algebra 2.

[Edited on November 7, 2008 at 6:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2008 6:29:24 PM

crystal


clear

11/7/2008 10:15:20 PM

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"250k for mid. class was crystal clear, then it was 220k and it was crystal clear, then it went to 200k, to 150k and now as low as 120k CRYSTAL FKN CLEAR"

[Citation needed]

11/7/2008 10:35:58 PM

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"jesus i just hope he makes it through 4 years with the way i hear some people talk"

11/7/2008 10:44:01 PM

Now whenever someone who is black runs for President they will be compared to Obama. Stupid? Yes. But, not much more stupid than going on and on about how noble the US is to elect a man who is Black. Well big deal. We also just failed to elect a woman vice president, I guess we are all sexist.

Identity politics is the death of any meaningful discussion of ideas. I guess I cannot say anything though, I'm just a white male so set my comments to zero.

11/7/2008 11:14:23 PM

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"I guess I cannot say anything though, I'm just a white male so set my comments to zero."

That is a heavy cross to bear, isn't it?

11/7/2008 11:19:42 PM

Sorry, I just think that we will never really be color blind so long as we focus on who people are in terms of their gender/race. It should be about what we do and what we think. So what if Obama's black? Is that all he is? A black man? Why must we insist on focusing on the "historic" nature of the event. I don't see the history of this event in the same light. I don't see a black president. I see a radically liberal activist president. But, forgive me if I focus on ideas rather than race. I guess that's just my conservative racist self showing its ugly underbelly of seething hate.

11/7/2008 11:45:55 PM

So what you are saying is that you such a huge tool, you can't give credit where credit is due while still disagreeing with someone.

You'd think that after the age of 14 or so, righteous indignation would cease to be an appropriate reaction to anything.

11/8/2008 12:00:09 AM

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"Why must we insist on focusing on the "historic" nature of the event. I don't see the history of this event in the same light."

Uhm, a person who is of a race that has been violently oppressed throughout the entire history of this nation, and most of the world, was now voted by the descendants (and participants, depending on the age) of those same oppressors to the most powerful position in the world.

You don't find that historic, despite his positions on any issues?

11/8/2008 12:26:59 AM

Wait, I missed the part where Obama was oppressed because he was black. Also more generally, I missed the part where most white people oppress black people now.

By this sort of logic we ought to tear off our shirts and shout aloud at the historic nature of any time a Jew succeeds at anything.

11/8/2008 9:19:14 PM

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"Wait, I missed the part where Obama was oppressed because he was black. Also more generally, I missed the part where most white people oppress black people now."

Obama obviously has risen above his oppression which is what people are saying is "historic."

I'd say if we harp on this too much though, it really diminishes the achievement, and kind of makes it seem like people are patting themselves on the back for not being racist (which isn't the point).

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" By this sort of logic we ought to tear off our shirts and shout aloud at the historic nature of any time a Jew succeeds at anything. "

I'm sure they did when it was the first Jew to do something.

11/8/2008 9:40:16 PM

Ok, I just disagree that black people have not done things before Obama.

Frankly, I think Jackie Robinson's major league baseball achievements are more meaningful then anything thus far actually accomplished by Obama. Or, take James Gates the String Theorist at University of Maryland, his work is a far greater accomplishment for the black race in my estimation.
Alan Keyes is just a great an orator and his ideas and command of debate dwarf those of Obama. This cult of personality can only go so far, it will be interesting to see how Obama deals with a real crisis and real questions.

11/9/2008 8:27:33 PM

wow, your opinions are shocking

11/9/2008 9:13:53 PM

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"Ok, I just disagree that black people have not done things before Obama. "

Sheesh. This is not the point. Of course blacks have done things, but Obama not only had to do things to be president, he had to gain the approval of the entire US, which is ~70% white. In historical context, it's a great accomplishment compared to...

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"Frankly, I think Jackie Robinson's major league baseball achievements are more meaningful then anything thus far actually accomplished by Obama. Or, take James Gates the String Theorist at University of Maryland, his work is a far greater accomplishment for the black race in my estimation. Alan Keyes is just a great an orator and his ideas and command of debate dwarf those of Obama. This cult of personality can only go so far, it will be interesting to see how Obama deals with a real crisis and real questions."

Jackie Robinson was viewed as significant not because he was a great baseball player, but because he was able to play alongside whites.

Your comment about Gates there is a bit shocking, what exactly are you trying to say?

11/9/2008 9:21:06 PM

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