i'm still thinking about this article... and how lightly everyone seems to be taking it. i can't help but dwell on wondering how many of these people used the IDs to start new lives or to fly under the radar. i think they're spinning the college angle on purpose to detract from the terrorist activity!!

12/17/2008 4:20:23 PM

I tried to search his name to see if I could figure out if he went to NCSU or not. I couldn't find anything. Get on it TWW!

and for the record, I would have totally paid $150 for an ID that good when I was underage. You should have seen some of the shit fakes I used to use.

[Edited on December 17, 2008 at 4:22 PM. Reason : a]

12/17/2008 4:20:52 PM

I axe because I had a roommate two years ago named Robert something, and he looked kinda like this guy... I'm pretty sure he did some kind of work at Duke back then too...

12/17/2008 4:23:21 PM

he was your roommate but you don't know his last name?

12/17/2008 4:25:09 PM

^^you know damn well that's him.

[Edited on December 17, 2008 at 4:25 PM. Reason : +]

12/17/2008 4:25:14 PM

funny thing, i never used a fake ID ever. but i drank a whole lot. i guess between being able to buy beer at the gas station next door, and having friends to get liquor, and working at a restaurant with a bar, i pretty much didn't need one.

maybe i missed out on going to any place i wanted, but i had enough and i got by. haha

12/17/2008 4:26:05 PM

All of my fakes were real IDs of older friends of mine. I had one when I was 18 that said I was 29. Worked like a charm

12/17/2008 4:27:50 PM

MA and TX are the 'goto' NJ licenses these days. They're on pseduo-widely available teslin and can be made with less than a 200 dollar startup cost. THEY fetched 100+ which is why 100-170 for 'legit' PVC multi spectrum hologram IDs should easily get anywhere from 250 on up.

Think of all the crazy shit you could get into if this guy had teamed up with someone actually intelligent. Nuckles is ABC, so either this guy is really smart and all they have on him is trying to make some 18 yr old bias 21 OR they're dumbing the story down as to not let on how much bank, credit card, employment and general identity fraud truly went down because of this guy.

Anyway, that entire article is pretty much regurgitated trash. It's always the most sophisticated operation, their team is always surprised at how well the ids can fool the untrained eye and they always claim they've reached the top of the food chain. Do you really think he doesn't have a supplier?

12/17/2008 4:28:28 PM

me and fatcatt both roomed with him. Robert's a good guy, he was caught doing something stupid.

12/17/2008 4:28:36 PM

Quote :

"Alright! I just got my new fake! Lets hit up farmhouse and Pi Bar!"

12/17/2008 4:30:47 PM

^^ so it is the guy? did he hook you guys up with fake IDs?

12/17/2008 4:32:33 PM

nope, never even knew he was into that.

12/17/2008 4:43:56 PM

Quote :

"i can't help but dwell on wondering how many of these people used the IDs to start new lives or to fly under the radar. i think they're spinning the college angle on purpose to detract from the terrorist activity!!"

I hardly classify "flying under the radar" as terrorist activity. There's nothing wrong with using fake ID to conceal your identity as long as you're not defrauding or otherwise harming anybody. I think it's fine to present a fake ID if asked for ID in cases such as: renting hotel/motel rooms, getting water/electric/phone/gas/cable service, returning merchandise (I've been asked for ID at Lowes and K&G), bidding at auctions, & joining a gym. As long as you're not cheating anyone, you have the moral right to use whatever name you wish. It's not terrorism to keep your affairs private or anonymous when you're not hurting anyone.

12/17/2008 5:29:15 PM

Crazy. He always seemed like an alright guy.

Quote :

"so it is the guy? did he hook you guys up with fake IDs?"

Yeah, it's me old roommate. Everyone in our place was already legal age, so we didn't need a fake ID. None of us knew good ol' Robert was into that mess.

12/17/2008 6:21:27 PM

just tell them you're an undocumented minor

12/17/2008 6:28:30 PM

Quote :

"There's nothing wrong with using fake ID to conceal your identity as long as you're not defrauding or otherwise harming anybody. I think it's fine to present a fake ID if asked for ID in cases such as: renting hotel/motel rooms, getting water/electric/phone/gas/cable service, returning merchandise (I've been asked for ID at Lowes and K&G), bidding at auctions, & joining a gym. As long as you're not cheating anyone, you have the moral right to use whatever name you wish. It's not terrorism to keep your affairs private or anonymous when you're not hurting anyone."

This isn't the first time I have read something that you have posted and literally face palmed. From picking through the poker thread you seem halfway intelligent so I seriously have no idea how you come up with this twisted bullshit outlook on certain situations.

Oh, I think the other time was something along the lines of "Fuck banks and credit cards. Cash only here"

12/17/2008 7:25:16 PM

Quote :

"There's nothing wrong with using fake ID to conceal your identity as long as you're not defrauding or otherwise harming anybody. I think it's fine to present a fake ID if asked for ID in cases such as: renting hotel/motel rooms, getting water/electric/phone/gas/cable service, returning merchandise (I've been asked for ID at Lowes and K&G), bidding at auctions, & joining a gym. As long as you're not cheating anyone, you have the moral right to use whatever name you wish. It's not terrorism to keep your affairs private or anonymous when you're not hurting anyone."

Till you get hooked up for obtaining property by false pretenses

12/17/2008 7:35:04 PM

Quote :

" CHIEF NUCKLES "

12/17/2008 7:42:18 PM

Quote :

"Till you get hooked up for obtaining property by false pretenses"

There has to be an intent to defraud for this charge to stick. No fraud occurs if you pay what's owed, regardless of what name you use.

Using fake ID may be illegal, but simply using a pseudonym while conducting lawful business is legal. I use a pseudonym when getting my car serviced, having things delivered to my house, and buying music on iTunes.

12/18/2008 3:55:52 PM

Quote :

"LOOKING OVER SHOULDER"

12/18/2008 4:09:30 PM

Whenever I put in a reservation at a restaurant I say my name is Harry Cox or something like that.

And being in possession of a falsified government document, like a driver's license, is illegal. Even if you never use it.

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 4:13 PM. Reason : a]

12/18/2008 4:13:06 PM

Quote :

"And being in possession of a falsified government document, like a driver's license, is illegal. Even if you never use it."

ding ding ding, we have a winner, not only is it illegal to use a fake or another id for ANYTHING, it is illegal for you to even possess someone else's id

12/18/2008 4:17:55 PM

^ this is correct. AND FURTHERMORE....the person who the ID belongs to can also be charged with a Class II Misdemeanor for letting you borrow it.

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 4:19 PM. Reason : a]

12/18/2008 4:18:20 PM

12/18/2008 4:22:27 PM

went to elementary and middle school with him
hes a good guy, just doing something stupid

its funny how people look so pissed in their booking photo

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2008 4:23:27 PM

^ did he show you the computers?

12/18/2008 4:26:35 PM

no havent seen him in a while

probably they searched his parents house and took their computers even to worthless piles still using dos, fucking police always seize everything they can

12/18/2008 4:29:06 PM

Good guy, caught doing stupid shit.

It sucks that some kid(s) turned on him to get his charges dropped/sentence reduced rather than face up to their own crime. Though, that's the game.

In response to Jackleg's comment im sure if they had/find evidence of terrorists obtaining one of his ID's they'd throw the book at him. If only college fake ID's are involved why would you raise more charges?

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2008 4:33:41 PM

It's the risk you take for running such a large scale operation, largely based on customers that you don't even know.

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 4:38 PM. Reason : a]

12/18/2008 4:37:41 PM

Quote :

"not only is it illegal to use a fake or another id for ANYTHING"

actually, it's not, it's illegal "for the purpose of deception, fraud, or other criminal conduct"

12/18/2008 5:00:45 PM

actually, you are wrong
go look at NC GS 20-30(7)
which is what he was charged with, six counts looks like

§ 20-30. Violations of license or learner's permit provisions.

It shall be unlawful for any person to commit any of the following acts:
(7) To sell or offer for sale any reproduction or facsimile or simulation of a driver's license or learner's permit. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to agents or employees of the Division while acting in the course and scope of their employment. Any person, firm or corporation violating the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a Class I felony.

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 5:04 PM. Reason : added statute]

12/18/2008 5:03:37 PM

that's for drivers' licenses, not id cards

12/18/2008 5:05:43 PM

who the fuck uses ID cards?

12/18/2008 5:07:57 PM

disabled people/people that have had their licenses revoked

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 5:10 PM. Reason : people that don't know how to drive]

12/18/2008 5:08:55 PM

you are still wrong

§ 20-37.8. Fraudulent use prohibited.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to use a false or fictitious name or give a false or fictitious address in any application for a special identification card or knowingly to make a false statement or knowingly conceal a material fact or otherwise commit a fraud in any such application or to obtain or possess more than one such card for a fraudulent purpose or knowingly to permit or allow another to commit any of the foregoing acts.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any person to present, display, or use a special identification card which contains a false or fictitious name in the commission or attempted commission of a felony.

(c) A violation of subsection (a) of this section shall constitute a Class 2 misdemeanor. A violation of subsection (b) of this section shall constitute a Class I felony. (1979, c. 603, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 326; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1999-299, s. 2.)


there does not appear to be anything in the NCGS which says anything that you are talking about, this is the only other passage which has any pertinence, and it doesn't deal with fake ids, just ones with false or fictitious names


[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 5:18 PM. Reason : maybe you should come up with a statute that supports your claim]

12/18/2008 5:13:34 PM

that statute only pretains to fraudulantly obtained government ids and id's used in the commission of a crime

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 5:18 PM. Reason : ...maybe you should try looking in the criminal law chapter instead of the motor vehicles chapter]

12/18/2008 5:17:45 PM

you're the one failing all over yourself, do your own legwork

12/18/2008 5:20:01 PM

stfu

§ 14-100.1. Possession or manufacture of certain fraudulent forms of identification.

(a) Except as otherwise made unlawful by G.S. 20-30, it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or manufacture a false or fraudulent form of identification as defined in this section for the purpose of deception, fraud, or other criminal conduct.

(b) Except as otherwise made unlawful by G.S. 20-30, it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly obtain a form of identification by the use of false, fictitious, or fraudulent information.

(c) Possession of a form of identification obtained in violation of subsection (b) of this section shall constitute a violation of subsection (a) of this section.

(d) For purposes of this section, a "form of identification" means any of the following or any replica thereof:

(1) An identification card containing a picture, issued by any department, agency, or subdivision of the State of North Carolina, the federal government, or any other state.

(2) A military identification card containing a picture.

(3) A passport.

(4) An alien registration card containing a picture.

(e) A violation of this section shall be punished as a Class 1 misdemeanor. (2001-461, s. 1; 2001-487, s. 42(a).)

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 5:21 PM. Reason : still fucking wrong, bitch]

12/18/2008 5:20:21 PM

"for the purpose of deception, fraud, or other criminal conduct"

...which is exactly what i posted, retard

12/18/2008 5:22:04 PM

14, 20, whatever.

its all illegal, and should really be handled on a federal level.

12/18/2008 5:22:58 PM

Quote :

"it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly possess"

is the part you forgot to add. There is virtually no reason to possess a fictitious identification without intending deception, fraud, or other criminal conduct

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 5:25 PM. Reason : good luck explaining why you have a fictitious identication if you dont intend to decieve]

12/18/2008 5:24:20 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1338120.html

to answer someone's question above, the article says he was a 2007 grad of NCSU with a bachelor's in chemistry

12/18/2008 5:28:00 PM

Quote :

"ood luck explaining why you have a fictitious identication if you dont intend to decieve"

if it WERE legal to posess for, say, a joke... that's reasonable doubt, and you can buy that in the yellow pages under 'legal services'

but i agree that its shady as fuck

12/18/2008 5:29:54 PM

please, you dont bring the law into district court

12/18/2008 5:34:24 PM

update:

Quote :

"A few months ago, authorities said they began confiscating a lot of fake IDs in Raleigh clubs and bars. As part of their investigation of the operation, agents with the Wake County Alcoholic Beverage Control Board's Division of Law Enforcement, searched the off-campus apartments of two N.C. State juniors last month. Search warrants released Friday state Samuel Hofmayer Hess, 20, was distributing the fake IDs to fellow students and that Robert Pierce Bowman provided Hess with the IDs. An arrest warrant has been issued for Hess on a charge of possession of a fictitious or revoked driver's license. No charges are pending against Bowman in the case. Authorities also searched Hess' university e-mail account, noting much of the fake ID trade occurred online, with students placing orders and sending digital photos of themselves and personal information through e-mails."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4174782/

12/19/2008 7:09:50 PM

Hello.

Hear that flushing sound? That's your life.

Enjoy.

12/19/2008 7:17:22 PM

no charges against Bowman?

12/19/2008 7:48:30 PM

He's the guy that rolled.

12/19/2008 8:42:36 PM

ah

12/19/2008 9:17:19 PM

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