ahaha!!!

12/30/2008 11:08:15 AM

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12/30/2008 12:00:17 PM

We should enjoy the last year we'll see Wilson as starting QB next year. He's definitely going pro after next season as a second basemen. Glennon will still have 3 years to do his thing afterwards. And there's no way Glennon starts over the 1st Team All-ACC QB.

12/30/2008 1:01:32 PM

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"there's no way Glennon starts over the 1st Team All-ACC QB."

12/30/2008 1:01:58 PM

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"On the play where he got injured, he didn't need to dive head first as he did. Sliding should be fundamental for any scrambling quarterbacks. Just like running backs, both learn really quickly to save their bodies if their tactical objectives have been met. You are being an idiot because you are taking this as an all or nothing proposition. He can't slide in EVERY situation and still get the first down, but in the ones where he can, he needs to recognize that and make the smart move. Getting those extra 3 yards that he got was not worth him being out of the fucking game. This is basic cost-benefit analysis. He has to learn it (and so do you, apparently)."

-skokiaan

Alright let's drop the attitude. I agree with everything you said about RW needing to slide whenever possible. Such is necessary for any scrambling QB if they expect to stay healthy through the season. But drop the "idiot" nonsense. And I'm good on the whole "cost-benefit analysis subject. I won't waste your very valuable time in explaining your profound understanding of this concept, no doubt gleaned from your extensive experience watching football games from your living room couch and from passing Econ 205 (yes, I took & passed that one too)...

... OK, I'll drop the attitude too

Where you and I disagree is on the notion that RW is to blame for getting himself hurt. That to me seems out of line. For starters Wilson does slide an appreciable amount of the time, and from my perspective he's always taken the opportunity to avoid contact by stepping out of bounds. Secondly, this is a guy who, as athletic and talented as he is, is probably most recognized for his good decision-making. Just consider his #'s from this year:

Passing - 1955 yds on 161 attempts (17 TDs, 1 INT)
Rushing - 388 yds on 116 attempts (4 TDs, 0 fumbles)

(Yes, that's right, RW was responsible for ONE TURNOVER all year)

Third, let's all try to remember that this is FOOTBALL. You take hits in football, no matter what position you play, and the more plays you run then the more opportunities you'll have to get hit. People can feel free to criticize Wilson for not being as durable as, say, Tim Tebow, but then again (A) Who is? and (B) Tebow has a MUCH bigger frame (6'3", 240 lbs vs. 5'11", 190 lbs).

I've attended six football games this year (4 home, 2 away) and watched the rest on TV except for Clemson and W&M (where Wilson didn't play anyway). This guy, Russell Wilson, put State's offense on his back all season. He was the single-most important reason for the late season surge and, as a result, the reason why we not only went to a bowl, but had a chance to WIN it. And he did it behind perhaps the worst O-line in the ACC, if not all of Division 1-A.

So, skokiaan, I hope you'll understand why I think that calling Wilson out for taking a hit on yet another great scramble for a 1st down when he MIGHT have been able to slide is exceptionally disingenuous considering that he, IMHO, did in fact use good judgment in deciding when and where he put himself in harm's way. Your criticism is valid, but I think it de-emphasizes the grind taken on by the sheer # of run/pass plays Wilson ran over the course of the season with a comparatively small frame for the position.

To me, Wilson's ability to avoid hits is at best a footnote in summing up his efforts this season. I think that anyone, especially a Wolfpack fan, should be damn sure they say 4-5 good things about him before even bringing it up. Personally, I think calling Wilson's decision-making even a marginal factor in his injury in the game last night shows a gross lack of appreciation for the outstanding job he's done as State's QB this year. After all the great plays, the lack of mistakes, the poise under pressure, and the tremendous lift he brought to our program this year, I think it's downright insulting to insinuate that poor decision-making was the root cause of his multiple injuries.

Russell Wilson took those hits for his team. OUR team. And he did it despite his already huge commitment to our baseball team, which is also damned lucky to have him. He's out there playing a VERY demanding sport, physically and mentally, while getting an education AND competing in another demanding sport altogether.

So I ask all of you: When you lay it all out and consider what this guy is doing for NC State, do you STILL find yourself wanting to criticize the guy for taking a handful of questionable hits? Especially when those hits were taken on behalf of OUR TEAM?

It was a great season, an unexpected surprise in a bowl bid, and a lot of promise going into next year. So let's celebrate all these positives instead of forever dwelling on the reasons why NC State did NOT win the fucking PapaJohns.com Bowl.

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[Edited on December 30, 2008 at 2:40 PM. Reason : /]

12/30/2008 2:39:52 PM

Good post^

However, RW fumbled on a hit by Alphonso Smith in the WFU game. So, two turnover's total. Still a great decision maker and I'm excited about him leading us to ACC Championship next year.

12/30/2008 2:43:30 PM

yep, russell is the man... all i ask for, for his sake not mine,,, is that he can learn to avoid the injury prone hit positions

he went to his knees and head first in the concussion against south carolina and to his knees head first vs. rutgers,,, that position is begging for trouble, but i know he will have it worked out by next year. and i do say he did not have room to slide in the rutgers injury hit, he seemed hesitant on sliding or taking a hit so he did do the child's pose and... ouchhh

12/30/2008 2:47:00 PM

are people really upset about losing this bowl? you knew we were done once wilson was out, enjoy the offseason.

12/30/2008 2:49:21 PM

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"yep, russell is the man... all i ask for, for his sake not mine,,, is that he can learn to avoid the injury prone hit positions"

Now that is the right way to phrase it. Still nit-picking IMO, but fair to mention it.

Better idea - get a better freaking O-line so State can run the ball, protect Wilson from a pass rush, and find some receivers that will CATCH passes that hit them in the #'s

12/30/2008 7:14:17 PM

wilson's problem is that he doesn't know how to slide. Early in the year, he was sliding head first and got knocked the fuck out. And he's a baseball player so he should know not to slide with his feet under him. And it's funny that the team seemed so motivated with him in there but were like "oh we're fucked" in the second half. Standing on the sideline and watching a lead you made evaporate and there's nothing you can do because the other qb's have the decision making of a 3yr old has to be one of the worse feeling in the world. oh well, here's to continuing that no interception streak in 09.

12/30/2008 7:58:50 PM

^well you've seen Evans and Burke play. How would you feel if a guy going out with a 16/1 ratio and has lead you to a bowl game went out and you had to play with these two fucks??

Every one of the fans had the same feelings, and the players did too. We all knew we were fucked....thats why we went so apeshit when evans led us to that TD

12/30/2008 8:36:33 PM

^^ What the fuck are you talking about, he got his concussion on a designed run play behind the line of scrimmage when Underwood failed to throw a decent block.

12/30/2008 8:44:05 PM

and on that play he went head first and the cocks made a russell sandwich with his head. And he was diving head first before that too.

12/30/2008 8:56:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEjcagpW-8Q

You lose.

He was sliding feet first and one guy hit him and from the other side he got a knee to the head.

12/30/2008 9:41:20 PM

I must've been thinking about another play, but even that is far from feet first. looks like he was going to slide on his knees with head up. granted he didn't have enough time to blink.

12/30/2008 9:45:11 PM

the concussion from south carolina was pure misfortune. i'm not really sure why people keep trying to blame wilson for getting hurt; he did well to stay alive with the line we had at the beginning of the season.

12/30/2008 10:02:41 PM

true

12/30/2008 10:10:09 PM

I'm one of the most critical people in the world of athletes.

This kid is straight balls. The cost/benefit analysis rings completely true. Wilson HAS to realize that his presence in the game is worth infinitely more than a spare yard or two. This is the same reason Jordan shouldn't dive on the floor for loose balls, Papelbon shouldn't pitch back to back nights with a 3 run lead, and Tim Duncan shouldn't play 40 minutes/game in the regular season.

Some people are completely above the "hustle play".

However, Russell Wilson is a terrific QB BECAUSE of his threat with his legs. He absolutely must run or force the defense to respect the run to be a top notch QB. This guy has a relatively strong, accurate arm but it's not like he's Peyton Manning back there. I don't want him to lose any aggressiveness by choosing to run the ball, although he does need to learn to finish his runs with safer moves.

In actuality, Wilson should be running MORE frequently because he is so effective that way. He's not incredibly fast but he is very shifty/agile and he picks up yardage at a more efficient rate by running than he does by throwing. If we get more talented receivers (Bowens back?) and he continues to buy time with his legs we could have an offense that averages 30 ppg next year no problem.


Our defense already has a few playmakers. If we get a commitment to the weightroom and playbook in the offseason we could theoretically win the ACC next year.

Look at how much our team has improved midseason under TOB. The only problem thus far is that we have started at such a low level each season. That can easily be attributed to inexperience and a new system.

I think we open next season as a marginal team and finish as a very good team.

We finish top 25 and either win an easy bowl or put up a fight in a competitive bowl.


Obviously we need Wilson to be healthy and it won't hurt to have a reliable backup on standby. But a year from now the papajohns.com bowl result will be a distant memory.

12/30/2008 11:11:30 PM

just got a RW reference during the oregon game

12/30/2008 11:32:26 PM

just got a shout-out from the commentators at the oregon game

[Edited on December 30, 2008 at 11:32 PM. Reason : damn damn]

12/30/2008 11:32:38 PM

lololololol

12/30/2008 11:33:30 PM

What did the announcers say in the Oregon/Oklahoma State game?

12/31/2008 12:31:00 PM

they said they liked the way masoli (oregon's qb) moved around and improvised when things went down hill. Said his scrambling ability reminded him of Russel Wilson only a little slower.

12/31/2008 12:37:10 PM

Said Masoli (Oregon QB) reminded him of Wilson but Masoli is bigger (30 pounds bigger)

^and that too

[Edited on December 31, 2008 at 12:42 PM. Reason : s]

12/31/2008 12:38:59 PM

somebody made a russell wilson "Mii" on the Wii.

12/31/2008 1:04:39 PM

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"he is without question our QB of the future. why would TOB take a chance at losing his catalyst for 3 more years just to win a SHITTY bowl?"

Fixed

12/31/2008 2:05:41 PM

Great posts by Erios and Jaybee. I really have nothing to add except to reiterate that Russell Wilson is the man.

Any update on the severity of the injury? I know he looked fine on the sidelines and that it was listed as just a sprain, but knee injuries make me nervous.

12/31/2008 3:24:03 PM

^ They don't know right now, and may not until he returns to campus. He left Birmingham with his family and returned home for the rest of break

12/31/2008 4:05:57 PM

Heard from "my inside source" that he wanted to get back out there and kept begging TOB to let him play, but the doctors advised TOB against it and that's was all she wrote. Said that Wilson was soooo frustrated watching on the sidelines and it was basically killing him to not play.

12/31/2008 4:23:04 PM

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"Because in order to think this you'd have to think that we're gonna bench RW after the amazing year he just had. Or maybe you've just never actually seen a football game and think that we can start two QBs. Either way, you're fucking dumb."

I am taking heat for this, but this is truly the way I feel. Mike Glennon, arguably the top H.S. QB and All-American, will not sit the bench.

Here's what I see happening: Wilson starts and gets hurt in a game, Glennon comes in, and we never look back. Wilson is going to be injury prone with his style a lot like Pat White who can't ever go a whole season. Yes, he is amazing, but our team will be even better once Glennon establishes himself IMHO.

P.S. There's NO WAY Florida plays Tim Tebow when Chris Leak is ALL-SEC! Let's face it, a better year in the ACC and Wilson is maybe honorable mention. He didn't even play the whole season.

Next year will be Wilson's last anyway in football so don't get used to him.

12/31/2008 4:56:06 PM

http://www.gopack.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9200&ATCLID=3640906

1/6/2009 1:23:26 PM

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"like Pat White who can't ever go a whole season"

In four seasons Pat White missed two games.

1/6/2009 1:35:04 PM

^^^I seem to remember everyone talking about Evans having some really high numbers coming out of high school as well. It's been a while, so I don't remember. Basically, high school performance means nothing - IMO.

We'll finally see what Glennon has to offer when/if we're up by 3 scores in the 4th quarter.

[Edited on January 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM. Reason : -]

1/6/2009 1:36:52 PM

^more likely we'll see what glennon has to offer when wilson gets injured again

1/6/2009 1:37:41 PM

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"Heard from "my inside source" "

ell oh ell

was your inside source the fucking TV, because the sideline announcer said that shit

1/6/2009 1:38:24 PM

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"Heard from "my inside source""

Having a football player inside you doesn't make him an inside source.

1/6/2009 1:38:55 PM

lol I missed that.

He was frustrated and wanted to play? Tell me more plz.

1/6/2009 1:53:11 PM

I don't really need someone claiming an inside source to tell it was frustrating for Wilson to sit on the sidelines during the second half of the bowl.

1/6/2009 1:55:16 PM

don't keep your "inside source" anonymous, we want to knowwwww pleeeeaaaasseee

1/6/2009 1:57:49 PM

he better got to baseball

the contracts are infinitely better

1/6/2009 1:58:16 PM

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"P.S. There's NO WAY Florida plays Tim Tebow when Chris Leak is ALL-SEC! "

Kind of a dumb analogy. Chris Leak was a good passer who was kind of mobile. They brought in Tebow as a change of pace because he was like a big running back. Short yardage situations and trick plays.

Wilson is a good passer and is very mobile. Glennon might be a good passer?? Why the fuck would we use them like Leak and Tebow??

If Russel Wilson plays the same way he did this year and doesn't get hurt...I only want to see Glennon in mop up duty until the day Wilson is no longer on the football team. In this case...a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush is abso-fuckin-lutely spot on.

1/6/2009 2:09:44 PM

just saw him at subway, still hobbling pretty bad on the knee

1/6/2009 3:09:59 PM

Man, I figured that sprained knee would be all better

I mean it's been a week

Thanks for the report, bucky

1/6/2009 3:21:37 PM

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/packs-wilson-will-rehab-knee-sprain

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"N.C. State’s Russell Wilson has a tear of the posterior cruciate ligament in his knee that will require several weeks of limited activities followed by rehabilitation, the school announced Tuesday."

Will not require surgery, but sounds like it will be longer than I initially thought. Get well soon RW!

1/6/2009 3:28:33 PM

i guess you missed this a few hours ago

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"stoncuttr All American 1961 Posts user info edit post http://www.gopack.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9200&ATCLID=3640906 1/6/2009 1:23:26 PM"

1/6/2009 3:42:28 PM

Thats good to hear. At least its off season too now.

1/6/2009 6:41:44 PM

Yea he should be fine. I really messed up my PCL bad wrestling Junior year in the state tournament. It was definitely worse than his too, there was no way I would have quit the match if I could finish but I couldnt push off at all and basically couldn't walk immediately after and I was certainly on "limited activity" for a good while. But once I got to that point it really healed fast.

long story short: I think I tore mine worse than he did, I didnt even have the kind of medical attention he will receive and I was 100% by the start of offseason practices easy.

Unless he does something to make it worse he'll be just fine

1/6/2009 6:59:30 PM

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"Having a football player inside you doesn't make him an inside source."

Hahahahahaha

1/6/2009 10:00:01 PM