Quote :

"i have met the fowlers, and they are classy people. i asked the mother and daughter about how fowler feels about our "crazy" fans. she replied, "he loves it. we came from a school where we were giving away hot air balloon rides and whatnot just to get them to come out, etc." "

Cool so he is a charismatic guy who can works politics.

I don't care how much he loves NCSU, its fans, or sports.
He simply is a shitty AD and is ineffective at fostering the sports environment to enable us to consistently play as a tier 1 athletic program.

12/31/2008 1:28:28 AM

Quote :

"I agree that NCSU athletics is a joke -- but it will take a lot more than firing Lee Fowler to straighten it out. "

nevertheless, it's a necessary first step. it would be an absolute disaster to let clown shoes do another coaching search.

12/31/2008 1:52:33 AM

This thread is evil... but lol at the volleyball daughter's wolfweb posts. Did Herb really quit b/c somebody was nasty to his daughters? I would like to read more about that.

12/31/2008 5:28:48 AM

you are confused

12/31/2008 7:20:05 AM

Quote :

"if you need evidence, see this thread. posting peoples daughters? are you kidding me?"

So I guess because you met the Fowler family that makes you some kind of saint?

Also, everyone in this thread said they are hot. No where did anyone cut them down or say something derogatory. If they read it they would probably smile at the compliments they received. Furthermore, all pictures posted were in public online areas like, um… ncsu.edu. Honestly I am proud that two of his daughters went to state, they are well established and beautiful, what is not to admire about that?

Grow some fucking balls dude, no one did anything wrong in this thread. The comments about Lee Fowler are opinions of that person. I posted pictures of The Fowler girls but no where did I say anything against Lee.

[Edited on December 31, 2008 at 8:37 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2008 8:35:58 AM

^^^yeS

^I have the balls to keep my opinions to myself when they do nothing but harm, perhaps you should mature to the same level.



if people are unhappy, they can speak with their wallet. not bashing everyone they can think of.

12/31/2008 8:40:34 AM

ya you are mature, show me where I bashed the fowlers

12/31/2008 8:41:23 AM

are you assuming by "people..." i was referring to you?

12/31/2008 9:51:49 AM

Quote :

"^I have the balls to keep my opinions to myself when they do nothing but harm, perhaps you should mature to the same level. "

No by directing a comment to me I thought you were referring to me

12/31/2008 10:12:34 AM

from that post on, every post i make is directed at you?

okay that works

12/31/2008 10:20:25 AM

Nevermind dude, you do not make any sense. You directed a comment to me, then when I said show me where I was doing something wrong you act like you were talking about everyone else. yes you said "people" but the statement:

Quote :

"^I have the balls to keep my opinions to myself when they do nothing but harm, perhaps you should mature to the same level."

Was to me, so I ask again, show me where i throw some opinion out that I need to mature with.

My response to the previous statement was that people’s comments to the daughters were good, so there was no hate or bullying. This is not even close to Herbs daughters. Also because I was the only one that posted pictures of the daughters, I felt like I should respond.


[Edited on December 31, 2008 at 10:36 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2008 10:32:04 AM

This thread is worse than NCSU athletics.

12/31/2008 10:32:58 AM

^ it is not that bad

12/31/2008 10:41:16 AM

bttt

2/8/2009 4:23:01 PM

I support this thread.

2/9/2009 9:59:22 AM

oblinger does not care about athletics and thus will not fire fowler. it's all a scheme by the board of governors, amirite??

2/9/2009 10:03:15 AM

in retrospect, the only reason this thread exists is because of our basketball team right now.

you cant be serious about lumping all our other sports together...


Tennis = good
Football = good/on the rise
baseball = damn good & rising
womens basketball = very respectable
bass fishing = amazing
rifle (not a sport but still funded)= amazing
cheering (hey, they count) = amazing

bad:
volleyball
soccer
mens bball

2/9/2009 10:06:37 AM

/thread

2/9/2009 10:08:32 AM

Quote :

"Was to me, so I ask again, show me where i throw some opinion out that I need to mature with."

Can't 'you' technically be plural.

2/9/2009 10:08:37 AM

It's pretty clear that most of our "successes" in athletics have been this university succeeding in spite of him.

Statefans did a write up of Fowler's tenure here and the numbers were pathetic.

Hell, he should be fired for his performance during the basketball coaching hire process alone--and not because of the end result. It was a pure clusterfuck from beginning to end.

2/9/2009 10:10:33 AM

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"cheering (hey, they count) = amazing"

What is their record? hahahaha

2/9/2009 10:13:54 AM

NCSU Cheering 3 National Titles!
NCSU Mascot won national title last year!


back off!!!


(bigun20...where are u when i need you buddy?)

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 10:16 AM. Reason : .]

2/9/2009 10:15:31 AM

i didn't even know

they should make that info more public


hahaha

2/9/2009 10:20:58 AM

Thanks to BEU from the other Fire Fowler thread:

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2008/05/21/the-state-of-state-part-two-improvement/

Quote :

" The State of State Part Two–Improvement Published by WV Wolf on 05/21/2008 in ACC, AD, Baseball, Basketball, Football, General, NCS Administration, Non-Revenue and Stat of the Day. Tags: AD, Lee Fowler, NCStateAthletics. Disclaimer: Only facts and statistics will be stated below, you the reader can draw your own conclusions and opinions. Did NC State’s athletic programs make progress and do better this school year than they did last year? One metric (and certainly not the only one) is to look at regular season conference standings. State competes in 21 different ACC sports plus gymnastics (EAGL) and rifle (SEARC & GARC). In the 2007-2008 school year, 6 out of those 23 programs finished higher in their conference standings than they did the year before, 11 finished worse and 6 maintained the same standing. All 12 ACC schools compete in the sport unless indicated. Programs that improved their conference standing in 07-08: • Football—10th to 8th • Baseball—6th to 4th • W Golf—7th to 6th (out of 9 schools) • W Swimming—10th to 8th (out of 11 schools) • W Tennis—8th to 7th • W Indoor Track—11th to 7th Programs that maintained the same conference standing in 07-08: • M Golf—7th (out of 11 schools) • M Soccer—9th (out of 9 schools) • M Swimming—7th (out of 11 schools) • M Outdoor Track—3rd • Volleyball—12th • Rifle—1st SEARC (out of 6 schools) / 7th GARC (out of 8 schools) Programs that had declining conference standing in 07-08: • M Basketball—10th to 11th • W Basketball—3rd to 8th • M Cross Country—1st to 2nd • W Cross Country—1st to 2nd • W Soccer—8th to 11th (out of 11 schools) • Softball—2nd to 5th (out of 8 schools) • M Tennis—7th to 8th • W Outdoor Track—10th to 11th • M Indoor Track—3rd to 6th • Wrestling—1st to 5th (out of 6 schools) • Gymnastics—1st to 2nd (out of 8 schools) Some summary statistics for 2007-08: • 26.1% of State’s programs improved their conference standing • 26.1% of State’s programs maintained their conference standing • 47.8% of State’s programs had their conference standing decline • 52.2% of State’s programs improved or maintained their conference standing • 73.9% of State’s programs did not improve their conference standing Along the same lines, here are some conference standing trends for the eight year time span Lee Fowler has been AD (Rifle is not included). Two programs had or tied their best conference finish in 2007-08: • W Tennis—7th • M Outdoor Track—3rd Eight programs had or tied their best conference finish within the past two years: • W Basketball—3rd • M Cross Country—1st • W Cross Country—1st • M Tennis—7th • W Tennis—7th • M Outdoor Track—3rd • M Indoor Track—3rd • Gymnastics—1st Ten programs had or tied their worst conference finish in 2007-08: • M Basketball—11th • W Basketball—8th • M Golf—7th • M Soccer—9th • W Soccer—11th • Softball—5th • M Swimming—7th • W Outdoor Track—11th • Volleyball—12th • Wrestling—5th Fourteen programs had or tied their worst conference finish within the past two years: • Football—10th • M Basketball—11th • W Basketball—8th • M Golf—7th • W Golf—7th • M Soccer—9th • W Soccer—11th • Softball—5th • M Swimming—7th • W Swimming—10th • W Outdoor Track—11th • W Indoor Track—11th • Volleyball—12th • Wrestling—5th Some additional summary statistics for Lee Fowler’s eight years (not including Rifle): # 9.1% of State’s programs had or tied their best conference finish in 2007-08 # 36.4% of State’s programs had or tied their best conference finish within the past 2 years # 45.5% of State’s programs had or tied their worst conference finish in 2007-08 # 63.6% of State’s programs had or tied their worst conference finish within the past 2 years In the past two years, every program except for Baseball either had or tied their best conference finish OR their worst conference finish and W Basketball did both. Notes: The ACC finish for M Swimming, W Swimming and Wrestling is based on their ACC championship result and not their win/loss record standing. Rifle data is not included in the 2nd part of this analysis for two reasons: • Rifle competes in both the Southeastern Air Rifle Conference (SEARC) and the Great American Rifle Conference (GARC). • Complete historical data for Rifle could not be found. The GARC website only has final results for the past two years and no website appears to exist for the SEARC. There is a link on GoPack.com for the Rifle media guide, however it leads to a blank page stating “No News”. Coming Soon in Part Three: Lee Fowler sets some standards for State’s athletic programs. Will they meet those standards?"

2/9/2009 10:38:21 AM

Quote :

"Tennis = good Football = good/on the rise baseball = damn good & rising womens basketball = very respectable bass fishing = amazing rifle (not a sport but still funded)= amazing cheering (hey, they count) = amazing"

LOL at the 3 amazing sports.

2/9/2009 10:43:21 AM

Signed.

2/9/2009 10:56:05 AM

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=3914148

2/9/2009 11:06:12 AM

signed

2/9/2009 11:06:37 AM

signed

2/9/2009 11:35:29 AM

the jury is still out on our football team but our basketball team sucks!!

i dont know why i even watch anymore

2/9/2009 12:43:17 PM

well one thing we all have in common is that we all think Lee Fowler is a stupid asshole.

2/9/2009 8:47:41 PM

just think if popular opinion on tdub could sway the boosters

2/9/2009 8:52:47 PM

if popular opinion on tdub could sway the boosters...

















you could have pizza any time!

2/9/2009 9:43:45 PM

signed

2/9/2009 10:18:36 PM

Fowler has to be fired months before lowe is fired, regardless. Hell, firing fowler might be enough of a signal to lowe that he needs to get his shit together.


sendek took a big jump when his job was in question

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2009 10:22:08 PM

you are all way to rough on State, there are plenty of schools that would kill to have the programs you do... like Vandy and Utah State

2/9/2009 10:35:29 PM

^LOL. Vandy has been decent at bball for some years and now are even good at football somewhat.

Signed.

Lowe cannot go until Fowler does though.

2/9/2009 11:43:37 PM

"too" dammit, sticky o key

2/10/2009 12:07:58 AM

btw, SEC basketball is a joke

2/10/2009 12:16:04 AM

Before you hate, tell me what SEC team could we beat Tree?

2/10/2009 12:20:35 AM

this particular year it is

2/10/2009 12:24:22 AM

we played the best team in their conference to a nail biter...i think on any given day we could beat any of them

they have ZERO ranked teams

like ^jaybee said, they are a joke this year

if state were in the SEC, we would be in the top half of the conference in bball this year

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 12:29 AM. Reason : .]

2/10/2009 12:26:14 AM

State played Tennessee? didnt know that...

2/10/2009 12:36:30 AM

yeah tennessee is the best team in the SEC this year...there are only 5 teams with less losses, and none of them gave up 50+ points to a single player

i'm obviously not talking about the SEC east leader...you know, the team with a couple national titles recently

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 12:41 AM. Reason : .]

2/10/2009 12:40:36 AM

who got their asses beat by Tennessee (who has the hardest schedule in the country)...



and I'm not really sure what the SEC has to do with anything in this thread

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 12:51 AM. Reason : d]

2/10/2009 12:45:00 AM

Nearly every time I come in and see Jaybee getting trolled for being a Tennessee fan, I start to defend him then I read further and see him starting the shit with some good ol' fashioned state fan trolling.

2/10/2009 9:47:33 AM

posted in other thread:

Quote :

"there are not that many absolutes in life, but there are realties that have to be dealt with. in parallel, a few important things have become self-evident in the recent course of Wolfpack athletics: - FACT: noone coaches forever - Therefore: coaching searches will ensue sooner or later. - FACT: the AD is ultimately responsible for finding the right people for the jobs - Self-evident reality: This AD hasn't been that great at finding the right people for the jobs. - My suggestions: -- Its STILL to early to turn on Sid. I STILL think he needs more time. -- Before it becomes time to replace Sid, and while TOB is holding the fort down, it is imperative that we replace this AD with someone more capable. Replacing a coach in a last minute situation isn't easy, and replacing an AD hastily will also not be easy. My hope: the powers that be have already set this in motion."

2/10/2009 5:55:16 PM

^^ How was I trolling???? if anything I was defending State

2/10/2009 7:35:52 PM

You know the thread is good when it gets to be mostly pasted blog entries and crap from other threads.



It's like folks don't even think anymore in shit like this.

2/10/2009 9:40:48 PM

bump. GenghisJohn thinks Lee Fowler is doing great! If you disagree, that makes you a FUCKING RETARD.

[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 7:15 PM. Reason : .]

3/8/2009 7:14:04 PM