damn unlimited stuff used to run out in the old days?

fuck that

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1/10/2009 3:37:39 PM

can you imagine if they took photographs and stood still for 60 seconds

then the photographs disappeared

i'd be a pissed off photographer

1/10/2009 3:37:45 PM

Screw George Washington's time, I would like to have an AK-47 with unlimited bullets now.

that would amaze all my friends. plus I bet I could make some money with that.

1/10/2009 3:41:56 PM

you guys are retarded. if i could go back in time, i'd take crack with me and make $bank. and have all the bitches

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1/10/2009 3:42:44 PM

fuck that man i'd hoard the fuck out of some gold

1/10/2009 3:43:35 PM

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"because marty has taken himself out of the timeline, he is aware of both of them. when he gets back in part 1 and everything is changed, he's still aware of the previous timeline, but he is also aware of the new one. this explains why he remembers clayton ravine (which still exists in both of the timelines, before bttf3)"

doc going back to 1855 creates a new timeline, that marty is unable to alter until he returns

this is the timeline that marty lives in, and its clara situation would be the same in any other timeline he visits

its really not rocket science

its a writing error, a plot device gone bad

but it is nowhere near as bad as the mine-shed delorean's gas... that one will make me sad for days

1/10/2009 3:44:55 PM

also, anyone interested in taking ak-47s to the past should read the first half of Turtledove's "Guns of the South"


thats def robert e lee holding an ak47

1/10/2009 3:48:56 PM

^Why just the first half when the whole book revolves around that concept?

1/10/2009 4:13:39 PM

this movie clearly doesn't agree with the "multiverse" theory. (the only time travel theory that makes sense)

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2009 4:21:26 PM

you can have 2 things existing in the same state as long as you don't collapse the wave function



also marty probably would have died of dyssentary like in oregon trail because he could not adapt to the food back then. He should have time traveled some doritos or something back with him.

1/10/2009 4:30:48 PM

yeah and if you want a good time travel movie....go timecop with van damme

1/10/2009 4:31:55 PM

all back to the future threads on tww are successful

1/10/2009 4:32:45 PM

i like the way it worked in Bill & Ted

he just thought "ill steal my dad's keys and hide them over there" then he walks over there and voila, keys

didn't waste any time

1/10/2009 4:34:09 PM

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"^Why just the first half when the whole book revolves around that concept?"

because it doesn't?

have you read the book

the second half of the book is all legislation and shit

1/10/2009 5:58:18 PM

haha. I knew there was a reason I never finished that book.

1/10/2009 6:07:36 PM

But wouldn't Doc in the future have already gone back to the past and saved Clara and the name would have never been anything other than Eastwood Ravine anyways

1/10/2009 6:23:58 PM

^^yeah

they kill the rivington boys

lee is president

he finds an apple macintosh

then he frees the slaves

and nathan bedford forrest goes apeshit

and they spend the rest of the book fillibustering and shit

the highlight has to be abe lincoln's career as a traveling salesman or some shit like that

its been a while since i read it

i distinctly remember the AK47 parts lasting only about 200 pages, and the book lasting over 500

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM. Reason : ^SHE DOESN'T NEED SAVING UNTIL MARTY SHOWS UP IN THE DOC TIMELINE, FUCK]

1/10/2009 6:24:23 PM

Ok, well anything that you were going back in time to do, you would have already done in the future, so it would already be done. or something.

1/10/2009 6:31:30 PM

If you buy the collector DVD set with all 3 films there is a FAQ from the Producers/Writers on one of the DVDs that tries to explain some of the timeline issues. Bob Zemeckis himself readily admits that there are plot holes here and there but they tried to stitch together all 3 films the best that they could. It is amazing how well the entire series fits together considering all of the logistics involved.
Damn You TDubb...now I am gonna have to pull my BTTF set out and watch all 3 flicks again!

1/10/2009 6:48:09 PM

1/10/2009 6:52:47 PM

The Clayton Ravine thing could be explained away by simply saying she simply fell into the ravine later in the second 1885 timeline, after Doc died.

Maybe there is property that prohibits the DeLorean from existing multiple times in any particular timeline. Even though we assume that it does, possibly the existence of the car changes depending on the perspective of either Marty or Doc. If I am remembering correctly, there is never a point in the trilogy where 2 DeLoreans appear at the same time.

So in this case, the moment Marty gets back to the mall in pt 1 and sees the DeLorean, the one he left sitting in the middle of the road near the wrecked theater simply vanished. Not unlike how old Biff vanished after returning to 2025. I mean, he obviously was alive long enough to drive back. If that can happen to people, why not cars?

1/10/2009 7:10:36 PM

damn

looks like i missed the fireworks

1/10/2009 7:30:27 PM

http://www.bttf.com/film_faq.htm

The link above looks to be the same FAQ that is presented on the DVD. Gale/Zemeckis both have said in the past that the whole time travel/time paradox issues were meant to be taken lightly (it is only a piece of entertainment after all!) and not taken as uber serious science.
Goddamn I love all 3 movies though...besides Star Wars, BTTF is my all time movie series...mainly because I grew up through the years the movies came out and saw all 3 in theatres.

1/10/2009 7:30:37 PM

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"Maybe there is property that prohibits the DeLorean from existing multiple times in any particular timeline. Even though we assume that it does, possibly the existence of the car changes depending on the perspective of either Marty or Doc. If I am remembering correctly, there is never a point in the trilogy where 2 DeLoreans appear at the same time."

incorrect

in BTTF2 there are at least 3 cars at one moment, with a 4th possibly being the one in the mineshaft, but that would not exist there until the lightning strike

1/10/2009 7:41:31 PM

the thing i hated most about back to the future was that the future was the shortest part of any movie

1/10/2009 7:43:11 PM

lolwut

1/10/2009 7:45:20 PM

ok first of all... you people saying 1855 are completely wrong. it was 1885.


second... yes, doc had stored the time machine in the cave before marty got there. ask anyone in the garage... typically if you store a car for a long time, you would drain all of the fluids, including gasoline.


third... clayton/shonash(sp)/eastwood ravine...
A. named clayton ravine after bitch drives into it.
B. Doc saves the bitch in timeline before marty gets to past
C. Oh, marty fucks up doc saving her, so his "memory" of B does not exist.
D. in all other instances, the time travelers are immune to things they have changed in their current timeline, so marty would still remember it as "A"

1/10/2009 7:45:52 PM

theres only like 30 minutes of the future and then its back to the past or current...3rd is basically all old west, and the first is pretty much all the past

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM. Reason : ^agreed]

1/10/2009 7:46:21 PM

1.21 GIGAWATTS [sic] ?!!1

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM. Reason : Lloyd pronounced the word at issue as "jigawatts."]

1/10/2009 7:51:07 PM

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"D. in all other instances, the time travelers are immune to things they have changed in their current timeline, so marty would still remember it as "A""

A is no longer Marty's timeline

i've summed this up three times now

and i apologize for using the wrong date

and DNL, for 2/3 of the series, "the future" in question is not "the future" it is "the present"

1/10/2009 7:51:55 PM

i def agree with smath...his version makes more sense

1/10/2009 7:52:53 PM

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"incorrect in BTTF2 there are at least 3 cars at one moment, with a 4th possibly being the one in the mineshaft, but that would not exist there until the lightning strike"

But you never actually see multiple cars on screen at the same time. You are assuming that the other cars are their because in a linear timeline they would be there. That may not necessarily be the case.

Also, why the fuck am I not out doing something better than this??

1/10/2009 8:06:35 PM

it being a writer's error makes the most sense

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM. Reason : ^we see two Martys several times, why would the car be any different?]

1/10/2009 8:22:28 PM

I agree with smath and drunknloaded

i.e. in part 2 when Marty returns to a Hill Valley run by billionaire Biff, memories of his own 1985 are still intact. If Marty's pre-time-travelling self did not know of "Clayton's Ravine" because of something he was GOING to do, then the movies would completely fall apart. It's like asking "why were Marty's parents so meek and dumpy when he made them cool and hip 30 years ago?

Quote :

"because marty has taken himself out of the timeline, he is aware of both of them"

Quote :

"the time travelers are immune to things they have changed in their current timeline"

1/10/2009 8:53:46 PM

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"If Marty's pre-time-travelling self did not know of "Clayton's Ravine" because of something he was GOING to do,"

its not that he IS GOING TO SAVE HER

its that SHE NO LONGER NEEDS TO BE SAVED until he shows up again

^the stuff in BTTF2 is an exercise in why time travel really wouldn't work

the doc is in an asylum, so there is no way the time machine can work, so there is no way biff can take the book to himself, so there is no way he can get rich/kill george mcfly, so there is no way the events that lead to the doc being hospitalized can occur, so there is no way it could have actually happened...

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 9:13 PM. Reason : thats one of the main reasons BTTF2 is my least favorite of the three]

1/10/2009 9:01:41 PM

1/10/2009 10:54:27 PM

i just finished watching all three of these. i can't remember if i had ever seen them before, but they were pretty good.

1/11/2009 5:19:09 PM

You damn right.

1/11/2009 5:46:26 PM

i got the trilogy for christmas. good shit.

1/11/2009 5:51:49 PM

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"People wouldn't fade out of photographs slowly as the prospects of their existing faded either, obviously this takes place in a world where changing the past works differently than it might in our world if time travel was possible in reality"

how the fuck would you know?

1/11/2009 7:14:07 PM

its best guess gentlemen, thats all science is, is best guess.

1/11/2009 7:21:37 PM

Back to the Future is a science documentary

1/11/2009 7:25:19 PM

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"the thing i hated most about back to the future was that the future was the shortest part of any movie"

That sort of sucked, but what I don't like is that Hill Valley has a fictional MLB baseball team and that all of the cars fly. That will look sort of silly when people watch these classic movies in the year 2025. It would have been better to have the high schools baseball team suck really bad in 1955 and 1985 and then have a sign that says "State Champions 2025."

[Edited on January 12, 2009 at 2:11 AM. Reason : .]

1/12/2009 2:10:37 AM

I don't think Hill Valley had a MLB team, Marty was just watching the 'national' news feed about the world series............

1/12/2009 9:25:45 AM

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"So at the beginning of the movie when Doc got shot and Marty went back to the past that there was another Marty who just got back from 1955 watching from afar?"

I don't think this is the case based on Doc's explanation of things in the second movie. When Marty went back in time he would have created an alternate timeline or something. Shit I don't know... makes my head hurt


Also, re: the gasoline. I think Doc would probably drain the gasoline and other fluids from the car before storing it so it wasn't sitting in the tank for 70 years.

1/12/2009 9:56:01 AM

they didn't have a MLB team.

1/12/2009 9:57:01 AM

^^I already said that.

and yes, a different timeline was created. notice the "twin pines mall" became the "lone pine mall" at the end.

1/12/2009 9:58:17 AM

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"That will look sort of silly when people watch these classic movies in the year 2025. It would have been better to have the high schools baseball team suck really bad in 1955 and 1985 and then have a sign that says "State Champions 2025.""

don't you mean 2015?

1/12/2009 10:27:25 AM

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"Also, re: the gasoline. I think Doc would probably drain the gasoline and other fluids from the car before storing it so it wasn't sitting in the tank for 70 years."

it wasn't there for 70 some years, it was only there for a few weeks.

you've got to think fourth dimensionally

1/12/2009 10:37:21 AM

set em up

1/12/2009 10:41:08 AM