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"try not to confuse the fact that the dog already has a home with the thought that it doesn't need a home."

oh man

you should ask your mom just how many times she got drunk while you were in her festering rat trap of a womb

2/3/2009 1:15:17 AM

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"Getting a dog is a very long term committment (my breed lives 15-20 years) and if I'm going to have that animal as a companion for that long I want to know exactly what I'm getting. So I'm going to want to know all about the breed in particular, as well as its parents and lineage's medical history. Paying a lot of money isn't all about status, its about knowing exactly (or close) what you're getting."

Exactly. While plenty of pound dogs are great pets, there's plenty of others that aren't. Some people want the "guarantee" of a known breed.

2/3/2009 1:15:37 AM

^^ this thread wasn't intended to become the invariable shit storm that you and some others have turned it into. go away please.

2/3/2009 1:20:16 AM

listen pal, you got your answers

now you're going to get opinions

2/3/2009 1:26:56 AM

listen pal, i've been getting opinions since i made the thread and have had to sift through all the "you and your family are terrible people for putting a dog on a plane why don't you adopt one" garbage that i didn't ask for in order to get my answers.

2/3/2009 2:19:13 AM

try google next time

i understand they're nice people

2/3/2009 2:20:43 AM

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"you should ask your mom just how many times she got drunk while you were in her festering rat trap of a womb"

0/10, 'A' for trolling effort though

2/3/2009 2:38:32 AM

i figure if i'm going to be called a troll

why hold back?

2/3/2009 3:15:33 AM

You and your family are terrible people for buying a dog from a breeder. Why don't you adopt one?

2/3/2009 7:05:13 AM

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"you should ask your mom just how many times she got drunk while you were in her festering rat trap of a womb"

hahahahahahahaha damn

dude i wouldn't tell anyone else about your shipped dog

2/3/2009 7:41:16 AM

Hey, Woodfoot, how many adopted shelter dogs do you own? How many hours a week do you volunteer at the Wake County (or your local chapter if not Wake) SPCA? Oh, what's that you say... none? What about the rest of you shit talking animal lovers who think it's evil to purchase a purebred animal because you want specific traits or behaviors? I'm surprised you have enough time to post in this thread what with spending most of your days bottle feeding abandoned kittens and sucking each other off.

2/3/2009 8:00:56 AM

^that makes absolutely no sense.


and i do think it's really really really shitty of them to ship a purebred dog from MN. i think it's really shitty of my mom to have purchased a purebred golden retriever, although she has had 1 shelter dog in the past. oh, and what's that? you want to know what kinda dogs i have? oh ok. i have 2 shelter dogs. i have 3 shelter cats. i've fostered litters of kittens and volunteered with Wake SPCA and Best Friend Pet Adoption. my brother has 2 shelter dogs also.

people volunteer at these adoption agencies so that people will adopt an animal. regardless of how you help out (adopting, volunteering, donating), you are helping and that's what counts.

[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 8:17 AM. Reason : ]

2/3/2009 8:14:00 AM

My gf got a dog from an animal shelter in chatham county and they allow you to return the dog within 14 days.

That's probably long enough to get a good idea if they are a "hit" or "miss". He was a puppy so it would be hard for him to have had any development/antisocial problems.

2/3/2009 8:20:59 AM

everyone should pay more money to have a dog with more genetic defects that will die sooner! w00t!

2/3/2009 8:36:39 AM

Yay for supporting puppy mills!

2/3/2009 8:52:35 AM

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"I don't know. If the ground temperature is 95 I wonder what the temperature at 35,000 feet is? If the ground temperature is 20 I wonder what the temperature at 35,000 feet is? "

Standard lapse rate is 3.5 degrees F per 1000'. There can be temperature inversions and stuff, but this rate holds amazingly constant up to a certain point (I think that it's somewhere around 35-40k', after which the temperature is roughly constant until you get REALLY high up). I've observed it to be nearly spot on most of the time.

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"The temperature at high altitude pretty much stays the same all the time, be it summer or winter. "

Only after you get to really high altitude. Again, I think it becomes constant somewhere around 35-40k'.

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"Depends on the emissivity of the aircraft"

Emissivity? What in the hell does that have to do with anything here?

2/3/2009 9:11:18 AM

^he was just being an idiot. Even if his argument were to be valid, that'd be a plane by plane situation which has nothing to do with the original question. Which is why nobody listened to him

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"everyone should pay more money to have a dog with more genetic defects that will die sooner! w00t!"

Yeah, that's why I bought a breed that is low maintenance and has few, if any, health problems

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"My gf got a dog from an animal shelter in chatham county and they allow you to return the dog within 14 days."

I'm gonna disagree there, that's not enough time. Maybe if the shelter knows a lot of info about the dog (what its a mix of, etc) but most of the time they don't know. My roommate has a puppy right now that came from a shelter/foster home; a black lab mixed with something else but she doesn't know what. And it appears this dog is going to get a lot bigger than she planned...or wanted.

2/3/2009 10:17:21 AM

why anyone equates "purebred" with a better dog is completely retarded.

they're inbred and plagued with problems. The golden I had growing up has had so many fucking problems which wouldnt have happened if it wasnt a purebred. Shes still alive and kicking at 12 but thanks to a couple thousand bucks from a surgery.

2/3/2009 10:20:46 AM

^^ Your roommate WANTED a big dog, she just didn't know how big Roxi would get. And Roxi has the BEST disposition you could possibly hope for. Heck, she was mostly housetrained in less than a week. So, you can't complain about shelter dogs based on Roxi.

2/3/2009 10:23:19 AM

I for one don't give a shit. If they want a certain dog, they want a certain dog and the pound/local breeders don't have it. Period.

Didn't know the PETA convention was gonna gallop in on their high horses and insist that someone instead of getting a breed of dog that they've had before and loved, instead give up on what they want and compromise for some local mutt that isn't anything like the dog they wanted, FOR THE GOOD OF THE LITTLE DOGGIES.

(I love dogs and have had three in my lifetime so far so I personally probably would look in pounds first, but they want what they want and so be it, the OP's question was pretty simple and a concern for the dog's well-being which I would think you people would appreciate)

2/3/2009 10:28:30 AM

We've flown our dog on two occasions and would honestly never do it again. Gracie was a 90lb black lab when she was flown (we were moving cross country), and it was a pain in the butt. It was incredibly hot outside (you won't have that problem) so they didn't put her on a plane until about a week later, but they didn't tell us they scrubbed the pets on the flight until we were in Miami waiting for her. As far as health concerns-- It's loud, it's terrifying for them, and it's cruel (they're shoved in the lower part of the plane where half of the time it's not even pressurized). However, there probably won't be any long term health issues. Just make sure the puppy gets plenty of water. When they panic, they tend to drool a lot, and dehydration can be an issue, especially on a long flight.

2/3/2009 10:37:02 AM

^I was under the impression that Roxi is getting bigger than she wanted. I was just using that as an example, don't think I was implying that she's a bad dog and I don't like her

2/3/2009 10:50:22 AM

I know. Roxi IS getting big, I think Megan said yesterday she gains about a pound and a half a week. I guess I just easily took offense because I'm kind of biased when it comes to Roxi.

2/3/2009 10:51:40 AM

i'm pretty sure for transportation of live animals the area they are in has to be pressurized, otherwise they would pass out at least, and heated as it gets to between -40 C and -60 C.

I'm IATA certified. http://www.iata.org/ps/publications/lar.htm

2/3/2009 11:15:50 AM

^ You're right. It's been about 8 years since we had our dog on a plane.

http://www.delta.com/planning_reservations/special_travel_needs/pet_travel_information/pet_requirements_restrictions/index.jsp

That's got some good information on it. We carried our cats as carry ons and they each had a pet valium. Made it a whole lot easier.

2/3/2009 11:19:06 AM

I wish I could take my dog in the passenger area of a plane. He's only 25 lbs and has been on crowded subways with me more times than I can count.

2/3/2009 11:38:25 AM

^^ yeah, you wouldn't make it for long at a pressure altitude of 35-45k

2/3/2009 11:39:17 AM

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"You and your family are terrible people for buying a dog from a breeder. Why don't you adopt one?"

I'm sure he'll let his family know how you feel

2/3/2009 11:53:57 AM

You guys need to stop judging. I guess people are terrible for wanting their own kids when there are plenty of kids without homes.

2/3/2009 12:12:33 PM

i, too, am an animal lover.

2/3/2009 12:54:50 PM

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"I guess people are terrible for wanting their own kids when there are plenty of kids without homes."

yes, they are... at least the ones who spend thousands of dollars trying to have one through things like in vitro but completely disregard adoption as an option

but that's not really a good analogy anyway: we're talking about a puppy that has to come from somewhere else (it's not made by you as a baby could be), whether it's across the country or from the next-door neighbor

2/3/2009 1:00:16 PM

fly to MI
rent a car
drive puppy back to NC
return rental car

if you're worried about the puppy's wellbeing on a plane, then just don't put it on a plane. but it seems to me the only thing your folks are worried about is spending $$.

2/3/2009 1:10:12 PM

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"Arab13: i'm pretty sure for transportation of live animals the area they are in has to be pressurized, otherwise they would pass out at least, and heated as it gets to between -40 C and -60 C."

That is really good to know! I was imaging some little puppy getting crushed like a shampoo bottle in my luggage. Even heated, it's probably still gonna be really cold.

So I'm still recommending a non-stop flight.

Minneapolis to Houston to Greensboro is ridiculous, and it's only a couple hundred bucks extra to avoid the extra flying and the lay-over. I've read lay-overs are the tough part for animals, especially during the summer when it's hot on the ground.

I would ask the airline about the exact conditions if it's an issue. Some might be better than others, Rat.

[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 1:28 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2009 1:26:45 PM

Not that I care about buying a pure vs. pound puppy but was Minneapolis really the closest dog they could find?

http://www.petfinder.com/search/search.cgi?pet.Animal=Dog&pet.Breed=Chesapeake&pet.Age=&pet.Size=&pet.Sex=&location=27713

Looks like there's a bunch in NC, and a rescue specifically for Chesapeakes in VA

Or if they didn't want a shelter/rescue for temperament issues:

http://www.coolspringskennels.com/ is an NC breeder with a new batch of puppies, ready to go in a month.

I'm not going to sit here and call you or your family evil for wanting a purebred (though I am curious as to the reasons) but if I were you I would be seriously asking my parents why Minneapolis was the closest dog they could find.

2/3/2009 3:07:20 PM

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" http://www.coolspringskennels.com/ is an NC breeder with a new batch of puppies, ready to go in a month."

You'd have to be REALLY stupid to buy a dog from these people. Not a SINGLE pedigree or OFA number on the whole fucking site. This is as bad as any puppymill.

The dog will survive either flight. If I get a dog for competition it'll probably come from Toronto, Houston, Holland, maybe Maine. Only a handful of breeders in the world I'd trust. Otherwise a young adult from a rescue. Getting a dog from the closest breeder will generally insure you an inferior dog. Just not enough breeders that give a damn that you are likely to live near any of them.

2/3/2009 4:53:08 PM

^It's not really fair to jump to conclusions. There is nothing on that site to indicate any dogs are being mistreated or that they aren't pedigreed, and acres of land and water is nothing like a puppy mill. Of course there is the possibility of that being a shit breeder, but not likely...especially since they welcome visitors and require that homes be approved before selling a puppy. Also, if they charge for stud service, they definitely have papers.



[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM. Reason : ..]

2/3/2009 5:16:03 PM

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"Getting a dog from the closest breeder will generally insure you an inferior dog."

2/3/2009 6:43:04 PM

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"I'm gonna disagree there, that's not enough time. Maybe if the shelter knows a lot of info about the dog (what its a mix of, etc) but most of the time they don't know. My roommate has a puppy right now that came from a shelter/foster home; a black lab mixed with something else but she doesn't know what. And it appears this dog is going to get a lot bigger than she planned...or wanted."

You can look at a dog and get a good idea how big its going to be. How much larger then an average lab can it possibly get. If size is your only complaint i would say you scored a hell of a dog.

2/3/2009 7:01:41 PM

^Not my dog. But if we're talking about my dog, I wish he was bigger too. He's 3 lbs bigger than the average range for males, but I was hoping for 30lbs...

2/3/2009 7:20:34 PM

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"everyone should pay more money to have a dog with more genetic defects that will die sooner! w00t!"

our last chesapeake was perfectly fine and lived to be 14.5 years old. his only problem was a chronic ear infection, but those can be common in any breed of dog with ear flaps or whatever. but your sarcasm is truly appreciated!

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"they're inbred and plagued with problems. The golden I had growing up has had so many fucking problems which wouldnt have happened if it wasnt a purebred. Shes still alive and kicking at 12 but thanks to a couple thousand bucks from a surgery."

that's because yours was apparently inbred and plagued with problems. go ahead and make generalizations about every other purebred dog just because yours must have ended up having the immune system of an AIDS patient or something.

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"if you're worried about the puppy's wellbeing on a plane, then just don't put it on a plane. but it seems to me the only thing your folks are worried about is spending $$. "

there's not a whole lot of excess cash floating around, and my dad waited several months after we had to have our last chesapeake put to sleep so he could make sure he could get the same breed he's spent a large portion of his life around. so yeah, money is an issue. thanks. also, he has decided to shell out the extra cash to send the dog to greensboro. but now i'll get to hear all about my parents' financial irresponsibility or some shit like that

2/3/2009 7:40:01 PM

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"Hey, Woodfoot, how many adopted shelter dogs do you own? How many hours a week do you volunteer at the Wake County (or your local chapter if not Wake) SPCA? Oh, what's that you say... none?"

whats funny is that my family rehabilitates animals on our property all the time

so, thanks for playing

2/3/2009 8:47:56 PM

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"^It's not really fair to jump to conclusions. There is nothing on that site to indicate any dogs are being mistreated or that they aren't pedigreed, and acres of land and water is nothing like a puppy mill. Of course there is the possibility of that being a shit breeder, but not likely...especially since they welcome visitors and require that homes be approved before selling a puppy. Also, if they charge for stud service, they definitely have papers."

I don't give a shit about registration papers. AKC papers are obscenely easy to get, even for a dog that's not purebred. A PEDIGREE on a site shows you the lines used, important health certifications (OFA) and any titles the ancestors have won. In some breeds AKC papers are a mark of shame and will prevent your dogs from going to any sort of decent home.

I consider causing dogs pain by breeding ones with genes that will cause a high likelihood of defects such as hip dysplasia every bit as criminal as causing the dog pain by kicking it. What's the difference? One has pain because of the shitty genes it has thanks to the breeder, the other has pain from the breeder's shoe.

So yes, I think they are a shitty breeder, just as bad as any puppy mill. Maybe worse because they put up the facade of caring but don't do essential health checks to make sure the puppies will not be in a life of pain. I will email them to confirm their shittiness.

2/3/2009 9:41:11 PM

my dobies got no papers and they cropped his ears horribly so they look inside out
but i still wuv him and paid too much for a rescue. but it was all worth it

2/3/2009 9:48:50 PM

^^ It sounds like you're doing a lot of assuming. I'm interested to know what they email you back with.

2/3/2009 9:56:26 PM

^^^Alright, I've tried to show you some respect, but your retardnedness is overwhelming. You are sitting here bashing a breeder that you know JACK SHIT about, calling them horrible people and inbreeders. Where are you getting this shit from? Apparently they are guilty until proven innocent

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"In some breeds AKC papers are a mark of shame and will prevent your dogs from going to any sort of decent home."

WUT? I'd REALLY love to know what breeds would have a harder time finding a home because they are registered with the AKC. To be registered with the AKC, both parents must be registered, as well as the litter. Both of these things must be done by the breeder. It is not an indication of health or quality bloodlines, but it is in no way a detriment to any dog to be registered. No one is going to take a single thing you say seriously when all you do is make condemning and retarded comments...but, thanks for e-mailing them to confirm what you already know to be true



[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 10:00 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2009 9:59:32 PM

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" WUT? I'd REALLY love to know what breeds would have a harder time finding a home because they are registered with the AKC."

You are the retard. Do you not know a single fucking thing about JRTs or border collies? I know the black russian terrier people were PISSED when the AKC started recognizing them. Then there's a lot of breeds not recognized by the AKC at all.

Like I said, getting AKC papers for a mix breed dog is REALLY easy. I know breeders that have done it, only for the right reasons (breed going to shit, bring in some much needed fresh blood from a similar breed) so I'd be more likely to get a pup from them than out them.

The Dalmation people are as dumb as their dogs too, while we are at it. Could mix in 1/8 pointer and still have a Dal looking dog without the nasty health problems, but they won't do it. OMG, I'd rather have deaf puppies than risk them having a few less $pots!

If you want to say someone doesn't know jack shit about dogs, you picked the wrong person. You have shown your ignorance though, and it's been mildly entertaining. I'll post the email I get from the chessie people, my bets are on no OFA. I've talked with enough breeders to realize that if a dog has OFA paperwork 99.9% of the time it's listed on their site. That's experience you obviously lack.

2/3/2009 10:24:41 PM

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"Do you not know a single fucking thing about JRTs or border collies"

Not really, but I do know that people pay good money for REGISTERED Jack Russels and Border Collies every day. So what exactly was your stupid fucking point? That's right...you didn't have one.

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"there's a lot of breeds not recognized by the AKC at all."

YOU DON'T SAY!! You MUST be an expert!!1!

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"That's experience you obviously lack."

I'm not really surprised at this comment, since you have a nasty habit of judging people and things you do not know. How's the view up there on your high horse?

2/3/2009 10:39:56 PM

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"Not really, but I do know that people pay good money for REGISTERED Jack Russels and Border Collies every day. So what exactly was your stupid fucking point? That's right...you didn't have one. "

lol, continue riding the fail boat! You don't know shit about working breeds. Sure some dumb as shit pet owner like yourself might pay money for an AKC registered dog that's so stupid it'll piss itself on a daily basis from a back yard breeder. Anyone that is NOT a complete dumbass like yourself will get a dog from lines that have had generations of health and temperament certifications, and those dogs will not be registered with the AKC.

For an example of what your dumb ass is missing, look up the difference between the American cocker spaniel that's as dumb as you, and the cocker that has been unbastarized by the sort of people that make up the AKC show breeders.

2/3/2009 10:53:09 PM

It's fairly ridiculous imo to buy a dog from halfway across the country and have it shipped to you via airplance. It's also fairly ridiculous for people to get so worked up about how said dog may be uncomfortable for a few hours and how other dogs in a local shelter may be euthanized. They're only animals, grow up.

2/3/2009 10:53:23 PM

I'm just waiting for the shitstorm when I get a young adult unregistered Dutch dog, have it shipped here and pay a couple grand for it. People that don't know shit might think I'm stupid, but if you know dogs you know exactly why I'm getting a dog without papers and your only question is why I didn't go over and pick it up in person so I could experience some of the "coffee shops" during my trip. Or I could have one of the people that used to import dogs for the DOD get one for me. I'm not a trusting person or a fan of the military, but damn you just can't ignore that kind of reputation when getting a dog.

2/3/2009 11:07:34 PM