Quote :

"yes, and it is rather logical to believe the entire universe and all life came from all the mass of everything compressed into an infinately small space?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

go ahead and read up

we'll wait

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM. Reason : .]

2/13/2009 9:27:05 AM

Quote :

"yes, and it is rather logical to believe the entire universe and all life came from all the mass of everything compressed into an infinately small space?"

again, if you knew what you were talking about you would know that it is not a infinitely small space, and it does not have to be all mass. (energy)

2/13/2009 9:27:50 AM

I don't feel better than anyone

I just think it is funny to believe that anything other than humanity (okay and maybe some dogs) gives a shit about humanity

2/13/2009 9:27:55 AM

yes, wikipedia. the collection of all factual knowledge.

2/13/2009 9:28:49 AM

^^

jesus loves you

you should go talk to him

he's probably just hanging around right now, due to the crash of the construction industry

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

2/13/2009 9:28:54 AM

^^

it's an EXCELLENT resource

2/13/2009 9:29:18 AM

oh yeah, and why am I still a slacker?

I'm a fully enrolled graduate student and I work 30 hours a week in NYC
on the side I do community outreach and grant development for a non-profit
and when I find the chance (which is nearly every weekend) I create sound art

2/13/2009 9:29:26 AM

whoa whoa whoa

settle down there big guy

you have nothing to prove to us

2/13/2009 9:29:53 AM

BUT HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE WATCH FOUND ON THE BEACH?!?!1

2/13/2009 9:29:59 AM

take it somewhere else

2/13/2009 9:30:06 AM

Quote :

"I create sound art"

Sound as in you make music or sound as in it's not a wacky idea?

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 9:31 AM. Reason : Q mark]

2/13/2009 9:30:51 AM

anyway, back to the thread

63% of Americans are fucking retarded

I knew that already

^ audio... a lot of my ideas are whack

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 9:31 AM. Reason : -]

2/13/2009 9:31:22 AM

http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/571460/finches_on_galapagos_islands_evolving/index.html

Quote :

"Finches on Galapagos Islands Evolving Posted on: Thursday, 13 July 2006, 18:00 CDT By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID WASHINGTON - Finches on the Galapagos Islands that inspired Charles Darwin to develop the concept of evolution are now helping confirm it - by evolving. "

Quote :

"Species can be defined as the group of population that can reproduce a fertile offspring. "Creation of a species" is not a one step process, it's gradual. To give an example, let's say a group of monkeys leaves the group living on an island and swims across to the mainland. Now the two groups will evolve differently as natural selection will work differently on the two groups. After a while the two groups may start looking different, but they can still interbreed producing mixed babies. After even longer time, they can still interbreed but they may produce a large number of deformed offspring. The offspring may or may not survive, or may or may not be sterile. After even longer time, the two groups will not be able to produce any offspring, or all offspring will be sterile. At this time process of species bifurcation is over. There are many other ways in which new species may arise, but in most cases it's a gradual multi-step process. Talking about probability, it's very improbably that a group of existing population does not evolve into another species over time. Most species we see today will not exist after a few million years. For example, if you freeze a human being now, and revive him/her after a few million years. Most probably he/she will not be able to produce a fertile offspring with any of the species existing at that time. Like most processes in biology, the time needed to create a species is highly variable and depends on genetic structure, environmental conditions, amount of interbreeding between groups etc. "

2/13/2009 9:31:51 AM

IF GOD MADE PLANTS AND ANIMALS

THEN WHO WAS PHONE?!

2/13/2009 9:32:01 AM

your mom

2/13/2009 9:32:47 AM

lol....


darwinian evolution: (A)
----------------------
Willy Nilly
miska
ALkatraz
Stimwalt
stowaway
Arab13
nastoute
HockeyRoman
Flying Tiger

divine evolution: (B)
----------------------
Joie
supercalo
0EPII1

no evolution: (C)
----------------------
maximus



A, B, or C?

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM. Reason : ]

2/13/2009 9:33:13 AM

Quote :

"yes, wikipedia. the collection of all factual knowledge."

It apparently knows more about the subject than you at this point.

2/13/2009 9:33:54 AM

you know, i thought about posting some general facts about evolution and/or the big bang theory but then i thought for a second more and came to the conclusion that i wasnt going to defend evolution to someone with a ZOOLOGY degree who obviously has a gross disrespect for intelligence, research, and science as a whole.

also, if you think something can be "proved" then you are also a sad excuse for a scientist because nothing can be "proven", only repeatedly dis-proven.

take it to the soap box ya whiner

im off to economics

2/13/2009 9:35:21 AM

Quote :

"a sad excuse for a scientist"

yep, trolls do as trolls do.

2/13/2009 9:54:37 AM

lol, people that attempt to talk down to others when discussing any subject are actually projecting a degree of insecurity. Someone that is truly confident in their understanding of a subject matter does not react in such a way simply to prove a point. Such reactions suggest a clear of lack of confidence, plus a logical fallacy, appealing to authority. Exhibit A = maximus.

2/13/2009 10:01:42 AM

i pic "Business Ethics"

2/13/2009 10:03:08 AM

A, of course.

63% of Americans are dumb. I bet they think the earth is flat too.

2/13/2009 10:28:07 AM

a

2/13/2009 10:40:03 AM

A

2/13/2009 10:40:51 AM

I'm in the middle of B and A, but I guess I'm closer to B so I'll pick B

2/13/2009 10:42:24 AM

A

2/13/2009 10:42:40 AM

This is where I am on the Contiuum

Quote :

"Theistic Evolution Theistic evolution is a theological view in which God creates through the laws of nature. Theistic evolutionists (TEs) accept all the results of modern science, in anthropology and biology as well as in astronomy, physics, and geology. In particular, it is acceptable to TEs that one species give rise to another; they accept descent with modification. However, TEs vary in whether and how much God is allowed to intervene — some believe that God created the laws of nature and allows events to occur with no further intervention. Other TEs believe that God intervenes at critical intervals during the history of life (especially in the origin of humans). A 2003 book presents an entire continuum of TEs; clearly, there is much variation among Christians regarding this theological view (Peters and Hewlett 2003). In one form or another, TE is the view of creation taught at the majority of mainline Protestant seminaries, and it is the position of the Catholic Church. In 1996, Pope John Paul II (1996) reiterated the Catholic version of theistic evolution, in which God created, evolution happened, humans may indeed be descended from more primitive forms, but the hand of God was required for the production of the human soul. The current pope, Benedict XVI, has reiterated the evolution-friendly Catholic view, stressing the importance of rejecting philosophical naturalism (Lawton, 2007). "

http://ncseweb.org/creationism/general/creationevolution-continuum

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 10:49 AM. Reason : ]

2/13/2009 10:46:46 AM

http://media.creativepastors.com/mediapreviews/index.php?stream=Upside_Down_MPEG1

2/13/2009 11:03:14 AM

there isnt enough data

2/13/2009 11:05:18 AM

2/13/2009 11:09:22 AM

^^^ on that continuum, I'm right on the bottom. I think I was on the "theistic evolution" side not too long ago.

^ there is never enough data.

2/13/2009 11:11:56 AM

the more i grow older (fact) and wiser (opinion), the more i think that it's a combination... the larger plan by the higher being thing. the divine set the natural into motion.

then again, my views on religion have changed over the years as well... obviously, i guess. i've found myself swinging toward the other side of the spectrum of theistic probability. some years ago, i would have placed myself at 100% "there is no god (of any type)"

not rapidly or anything... evolution has always made sense to me, except i've never been able to answer the question "why" on a deeper level -- out there with "what is the point of us existing to begin with"

to summarize my rambling:

evolution is definitely real. you don't even have to wait millions of years for evidence, as you can see it in overdrive in isolated environments.... and i think that the religious people who reject evolution should embrace it as some sort of evidence of what they have faith in.

2/13/2009 11:19:59 AM

B.

I don't know, but it seems like you are going to have to have some sort of catalyst ('higher power') to get those first amino acids rolling.

2/13/2009 11:24:50 AM

^^ /agree


B

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ]

2/13/2009 11:26:56 AM

darwinian evolution: (A)
----------------------
Willy Nilly
miska
ALkatraz
Stimwalt
Tiberius
stowaway
Arab13
nastoute
HockeyRoman
Flying Tiger
puppy
Walter
jataylor
evan

divine evolution: (B)
----------------------
Joie
supercalo
0EPII1
sawahash
dagreenone
icyhotpatch

no evolution: (C)
----------------------
maximus

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 11:38 AM. Reason : \/]

2/13/2009 11:31:16 AM

YOU DIDN'T TALLY MY VOTE

THIS SURVEY IS BIASED

2/13/2009 11:36:50 AM

^
My bad... (fixed it)

Yeah, it seems that some others have commented, but haven't really specified A, B, or C....
(You have to fill in the circle all the way with a #2 pencil, or it doesn't count.)

2/13/2009 11:42:28 AM

add me to the Darwinian Evolution list please

2/13/2009 11:45:03 AM

A, but with an acceptance of B.

2/13/2009 11:48:07 AM

i think you should add an A.5 or A/B answer and it would give you better results.

also i say this cause i think i fit in that category. but if you're not willing to add answer D, then i guess i'd have to pick B. cause any belief that a higher being had a hand in it, no matter how strong, puts you over the line... i guess.

2/13/2009 11:49:21 AM

Darwinian evolution.

2/13/2009 11:50:45 AM

darwinian evolution: (A)
----------------------
Willy Nilly
miska
ALkatraz
Stimwalt
stowaway
Arab13
nastoute
HockeyRoman
Flying Tiger
puppy
Walter
jataylor
evan
djeternal
Smath74
DeltaBeta

divine evolution: (B)
----------------------
Joie
supercalo
0EPII1
sawahash
dagreenone
icyhotpatch
jackleg

no evolution: (C)
----------------------
maximus

2/13/2009 12:46:09 PM

Quote :

"A, of course. 63% of Americans are dumb. I bet they think the earth is flat too."

2/13/2009 12:50:21 PM

I think evolution is natural and divine.

2/13/2009 12:51:39 PM

^
So, B?

2/13/2009 12:55:28 PM

Quote :

"i think you should add an A.5 or A/B answer and it would give you better results. also i say this cause i think i fit in that category. but if you're not willing to add answer D, then i guess i'd have to pick B. cause any belief that a higher being had a hand in it, no matter how strong, puts you over the line... i guess."

my sentiments as well....

2/13/2009 12:59:10 PM

I'd like to use a life line

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

2/13/2009 1:00:10 PM

I'm shocked by the number of people who put A.

From what we can tell it's A, but I guess it's possible that some higher being arranged for it, in which case it would be B.

I'm agnostic, so...

evolution: (D)
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BridgetSPK

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2009 1:01:06 PM

Quote :

"^ So, B?"

Yeah. i think god created natural selection, the big bang, monkeys to humans, etc...

2/13/2009 1:01:52 PM

That survey in the OP must've done their research in the fucking Bible Belt. I agree with A and B. I don't know if I fully can trust my B vote without empirical evidence. So, I'll go with A UNTIL SOMEONE PROVES THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.


Summary:

A

[Edited on February 13, 2009 at 1:04 PM. Reason : ^^ Agree]

2/13/2009 1:02:31 PM