unfortunately, I am not suprised to hear that Chance or Woodfoot were involved in this

2/16/2009 8:34:07 PM

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"Woodfoot: ANYWAYS - i'm a big reason he left this site so i should get credit for that shit in some way --message_topic.aspx?topic=553954&page=1#12622174"

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 8:37 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 8:36:21 PM

thats the spirit of the soap box!!!

push out all dissenters!

2/16/2009 8:38:29 PM

oh you poor poor people!

those nasty liberals are picking on you!

2/16/2009 8:56:14 PM

that might work except that I'm a liberal.

and i made fun of hooksaw as much as anyone.

2/16/2009 9:09:41 PM

^^ What ^ said.

Besides, picking on you is one thing, tracking down, threatening and otherwise harassing in real life is something completely different and definitely uncalled for.

2/16/2009 9:11:44 PM

I don't get it. What exactly would he do?

Email someone and say "Hey look at what <name> is posting on The Wolf Web!"

"The what web?"

2/16/2009 9:41:10 PM

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"anyone in here except for me had any interaction outside tww with hooksaw?"

I've got some friends who did. He was quite creepy.


hooksaw brought 99.9% of what he had coming on himself.


If the internet isn't real life, then what happens here stays here and you're free to be as big a douche as you want, but you can't bring what you do on the outside to the table. If the internet is real life (which I suspect it will become more of as time goes on) then who you are outside is fair game, and thus the manner in which you treat people counts.


That being said, personal IRL threats are wrong and should always be grounds for suspension on any part of TWW.

I can't say I miss the guy though, and I'd never wish him back. At least some of the more annoying posters in the past (the dismally epic Chance v Twista battles) have toned down as at least one of the posters has matured, but at 45, I have no hope for the old man.

2/16/2009 9:43:45 PM

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"essentially it boils down to Chance, under his many aliases, posting specific info about hooksaw's identity, and Woodfoot using said information to threaten hooksaw's academic career with the CHASS administration at NCSU. "

What the fuck is this horseshit you cunt? Multiple people on this website have met the guy in person...I am not one of those people. Additionally, I haven't communicated with Woodfoot in private or in public or anywhere else for that matter, so you better get my fucking name out of your mouth when you don't have a damn clue what you are talking about.

2/16/2009 9:45:06 PM

^ Fail Boat Fail

2/16/2009 9:49:53 PM

I didn't always agree with Hook, didn't really like the insults. But someone shouldn't be run off the SB just because he's annoying.

2/16/2009 10:09:55 PM

I don't understand. TWW has already interfered with his real life, right? So what's this thread for? How are we going to undo his actions and our own? He fucked up when he bragged about the fact that he considered himself a professional educator at NCSU.

I mean, seriously, do you guys remember all those threads about hot college coeds and pictures of volleyball girls in their little volleyball shorts? Really, his being an asshole was just one part of his unprofessional behavior.

And none of this stuff is actually against university policy. He's not gonna get in trouble or lose his job.

It's just really, really embarrassing.

I was called into the Student Conduct for talking about drugs. I've had a couple threads I've made about professors sent to them. I've posted to some facebook and myspace groups with TWW. So I'm pretty sure people who know me strictly from the internet think I'm a drug-dealing, immature student who likes to make racist comments on facebook.

Which is really, really embarrassing.

But, like with hooksaw, there's not much that can be done about it now.


And it's much easier for one person to control their behavior (hooksaw not claiming he was a teacher or not being a creep) than it is for a whole group of people to stay in check by not trying to embarrass him for it. You're asking the internet to change for him. He needs to change for the internet. Everybody knows you're accountable for what you say and do online.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ?]

2/16/2009 10:15:04 PM

why are we still talking about this douchebag?

good riddance, i say..... and not because i disagreed with him on everything under the sun. That dude is mentally unstable.
Maybe he and salisburyboy are retired together somewhere and just bouncing wingnut ideas off each other.

2/16/2009 10:16:29 PM

uh

the internet is real life

2/16/2009 10:22:12 PM

wow, just wow at this whole situation.

2/16/2009 10:27:27 PM

^^I agree.

But a lot of people like to separate the two.

2/16/2009 11:05:40 PM

he didn't leave - he's still around - the idiot PMed me yesterday....

2/16/2009 11:08:32 PM

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"and Woodfoot using said information to threaten hooksaw's academic career with the CHASS administration at NCSU. "

whoah, what

i said in one thread i was tempted to do a google search to find out more and send shit to his advisor

but i never did anything

if someone did that, huzzah to them
but it def wasn't me

2/16/2009 11:29:55 PM

Signed.

As bad and annoying as hooksaw was (is?), Woodfoot showed that he is a much bigger douchebag by fucking with him in real life.

I mean, who does that? And this isn't the first time with Woodfoot either. I'm sure you all remember that stupid cheese rebellion nonsense. The motherfucker doesn't understand the concept of dissenting opinions.



[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 11:33 PM. Reason : ^making threats is fucking with someone in real life]

2/16/2009 11:30:34 PM

would you like to prove where i fucked with him in real life?

show me the threats

this is a public forum right?


[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM. Reason : what you say here isn't just nonsense spouted to the winds]

2/16/2009 11:35:01 PM

and when i say i had a part in him leaving

i'm referring to my pestering him about avoiding my points in the millenials thread

i don't know the guys real name, let alone any way to "threaten" him

2/16/2009 11:38:38 PM

FWIW, I don't know how much of this is true or not, because I don't spend much time in SB anymore, but it does seem to be fucked up if it is actually true. Threatening to out someone with their boss or coworkers based on what gets said on the internet is out of line. The ideas that hooksaw had, while obscene and outrageous, are a necessary evil.

It's along the lines of freedom of speech. You don't muffle the objectionable voices just because you don't like them. Those are the ones that must be protected.

For the record, I thought every thread the guy made was retarded. But that's not the point.

2/16/2009 11:39:27 PM

lol, i have less than 200 posts in soap box over the last 2 years

and yet i'm apparently one the "new overlords"

you guys are funny

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"No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students."

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"No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students."

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"No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students."

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"No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students."

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"No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students."

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"No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students."

2/16/2009 11:42:05 PM

if i ever got a job as a professor at ncsu

the first thing i'd do is ask for my account to be permabanned

2/16/2009 11:42:43 PM

So what is more important, the principles of free speech, or the practicalities of not have a flaming douche troll around?

This almost almost is like the torture/don't-torture issue...

2/16/2009 11:42:57 PM

hell, i'm still pissed he never addressed my posts in the millennials thread

2/16/2009 11:46:43 PM

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"Its not like he ever advocated violence or racism. "

Not that this really matters to joe_schmoe, who's been advocating the reinstatement of the last really vocal and sincere proponent of violent racism, salisburyboy.

2/17/2009 12:29:37 AM

I think personal attacks are okay if the person opens themselves up to them. What I mean by that, is if someone puts out there they do such-and-such for a living, then you could make fun of them and whatnot. What I don't mean, is that you should be able to threaten them about it something related to that, OR poke fun/insult other things that that person does not bring to the table.


If I say I'm an engineer by profession, I'm perfectly cool with people insulting me as a "know it all nerd" or some shit. What I'm not cool with is someone going further than that and insulting friends or other aspects of my life that I choose not to put on the discussion table

2/17/2009 12:31:21 AM

while i think no threats are cool. what always got me about hooksaw wasn't that i disagreed with him. it was that he made nearly EVERY post personal. it was never about disagreeing. it was about winning with him. and trying to belittle the people he disagreed with.

2/17/2009 12:40:53 AM

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"joe_schmoe, who's been advocating the reinstatement of the last really vocal and sincere proponent of violent racism, salisburyboy"

im actually kind of wishy washy on that issue. I suspect his release would be amusing for a week, and then we'd all regret it.

mostly i just advocate for Salisbot's release because I want Mr. Joshua to love me again.

2/17/2009 12:52:06 AM

Dudes, nothing happened to the guy.

He just got embarrassed or anxious and quit.

This happens in life, online and otherwise.

You either censor yourself or keep it real.

As a very young child, I chose to keep it real. If you're naturally cool and awesome, keeping it real ain't no thang. For me, since I'm not naturally cool and awesome, it's been tough.

Censoring yourself is pretty tough, too.

Pick one. People are gonna judge you either way.

2/17/2009 1:17:21 AM

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"He made a point to let others know that he's an 'educator' (for lack of a better term), and he made a point of being condescending and insulting to a user base made up of the very students he's dealing with."

To be fair, MathFreak did pretty much the same thing, and I don't recall any pogroms to get him out of here. He was perhaps a touch more subtle about drawing the connection to his status as an instructor, but he was much better at the insults and condescension.

I'm not sad that hooksaw has left. I think he contributed very little to the discourse here, given the nature of his posts and the fact that his "dissenting" opinion is shared by a number of other posters who, while generally very annoying, are at least less annoying than he was.

That said, I am not in favor of the way in which personal information and threats were used to run him off. There may be things that warrant that sort of action, but hooksaw wasn't guilty of any of them.

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"I think we all could learn from each other's viewpoints if we werent so eager to use the funniest profanity/personal attack to the other side at first opportunity."

The two are not mutually exclusive. Personal attacks and profanity can be used in conjunction with reasonable discussion on the internet, if not in real life.

2/17/2009 1:18:46 AM

Hooksaw wasn't just reveling in his position as an educator, he was also insulting people's looks (on the internet, of all places) and outright daring them to post photos of themselves for him to find fault with or compare to his own (though it is worth noting that he refused to actually post his own pictures despite his claims). He was not only ferociously bringing his own life into TWW, he was demeaning anyone that chose not to.

It's not cool at all to threaten to ruin the dude's life (and I've yet to see a specific post in which someone actually does this), and I wouldn't want to myself, but all the shit he was spouting was basically "asking for it" in about the most literal possible sense.

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 1:26 AM. Reason : .]

2/17/2009 1:24:12 AM

His life wasn't going to be ruined.

He was just going to be embarrassed a little.

2/17/2009 1:44:52 AM

can anyone point to these "threats and personal information" that keep getting mentioned?

or at least pm me what actually happened

if i'm going to get blamed for something, i'd love to know what happened

2/17/2009 1:45:35 AM

I think it was like vague connections between his posts on TWW and his TAship (AHA).

Like people said, "That's not cool, dude. If you are an educator, I should report you for your crappy conduct."

And then he quit.

(No more posts from me. I don't want someone to punish me by busting out some incriminating shit.)

[Edited on February 17, 2009 at 2:02 AM. Reason : ]

2/17/2009 1:52:15 AM

here's a pm i just sent to schmoe that i think is relevant to the thread

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"I tried pretty hard to find a thread where i actually threatened to do anything i did say that if he was part of a "real" graduate program* one of the first things he would have learned was to not interact with potential students the way he does on tww and if i knew more about the guy i would be tempted to send some of his worst posts to his faculty advisor. as an educator myself, i find it important that we as professionals are able to police our own. i know everyone is getting all hissy pissy about free speech but free speech definitely comes with a responsibility, and in few places does that responsibility matter more than in education there was one instance where i was confused because he straight up mentioned he "taught" someone (it may have even been you, lol) and that really sent me over the edge, because i thought he meant he was literally that person's TA. that is probably what prompted the above comment you don't have to believe me obviously, but when i took credit for him leaving, it was entirely based on posts on this website and in no way reflected any actions off-site hopefully him leaving showed he learned the realities of treating NCSU students like shit on an NCSU-related website when you're cashing checks from NCSU** and he's off trolling young people somewhere else *one of my big issues with him is that he acts all high and mighty with a liberal studies degree and then tucked tail when someone with experience/more education in his field showed up (namely, me) ** hence my comment about asking for my account to be permabanned if i ever got a job at NCSU "

2/17/2009 1:56:55 AM

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"if i knew more about the guy i would be tempted to send some of his worst posts to his faculty advisor."

Perhaps he took this as a literal threat, then... he always did seem to have some strange inability to correctly understand basic IF:THEN statements. Or he just assumed that you actually cared enough about him to try to stalk him and actually find out that real-life information; that too would fit with his narcissistic personality.

2/17/2009 2:05:14 AM

Let's be honest here: TWW is mostly a bunch of losers, trolls, assholes, dicks, douches, and worse.
Why?
Well, since the owner(s) and mods don't seem to prohibit such crap, it prevails. Which, I guess, is fine.

I didn't know anything about this hooksaw business, except that BridgetSPK and moron accused me of being him:

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"From : Willy Nilly To : hooksaw Received : Monday February 9, 2009 at 12:33 PM Subject : LOL, people think I'm you. LOL, BridgetSPK and moron think I'm you. message_topic.aspx?topic=557742&page=3#12609025"

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"From : hooksaw To : Willy Nilly Received : Thursday February 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM Subject : Re: LOL, people think I'm you. They're idiots. And you should continually remind them that they are. "

Now... I'm not one to believe unproven allegations.
However, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some TWW assholes threatened him in real life.
If that did, in fact, happen, then whoever's responsible should be suspended.

2/17/2009 6:45:26 AM

he's lurking

really, there is nothing to restore, hooksaw is free to come back any time he wants. He sent me a PM last night, so he is obviously monitoring the board with vigor, angst, and anticipation of his messianic restoration as King of TSB. God help us.


The thrust of this thread should be to punish those who chose to threaten, either physically or monetarily, other members of this board for their views.

2/17/2009 7:19:19 AM

The guy was a jerk, don't feel sorry for him.

You treat people like you want to be treated, and he was always treating people like shit.

He had a range of reactions that included 0% and 100%, nothing in between, his 'leaving' is just another example of those extreme reactions. He's probably jerking off to this thread with all the attention he's getting.

2/17/2009 8:41:40 AM

gotta give joe props for this thread. Well said and classy move joe.

2/17/2009 9:23:50 AM

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"The guy was a jerk, don't feel sorry for him. You treat people like you want to be treated, and he was always treating people like shit."

these traits were not limited to hooksaw. most of us have acted like an asshole at some point on TWW. this should worry all of you and it sets a precedent.

2/17/2009 9:33:54 AM

Yeah, most of us have acted like an asshole at some point on this board. Most of us haven't acted like an asshole with ...every...single...post....we....make.

With that guy any post that wasn't in complete agreement, and it didn't even have to be in disagreement, it could be a different viewpoint, and you were raked through the coals, called all sorts of names, and just basically accosted. Fuck that guy.

2/17/2009 9:37:27 AM

Im not saying I agree with his methods or anything, but we are all at least mildly combative on here. some more than others. where is the line drawn? does it matter that most disagreed with his opinion? did that influence his behavior?

2/17/2009 9:38:49 AM

Most didn't disagree with his opinion.

2/17/2009 9:39:47 AM

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"Let's be honest here: TWW is mostly a bunch of losers, trolls, assholes, dicks, douches, and worse. Why? Well, since the owner(s) and mods don't seem to prohibit such crap, it prevails. Which, I guess, is fine."

lol thought police

if i had my way, every single one of you would have to have your government names right under your screen name... that would put an end to most of this douchebaggery real quick

2/17/2009 9:57:47 AM

oh lord

shit just got real

2/17/2009 10:07:31 AM

Although I thought he was a jerk, it's pretty f'd up to have his job threatened or whatever..that's not cool - not sure of the specifics but it sucks if true.

2/17/2009 10:17:44 AM

I know a lot of people that work within the CHASS department at NCSU. I'm rather interested in finding out who hooksaw is now, I may know him IRL. Regardless, this is TWW. If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Some troll made it personal and he got paranoid and left on his own. I don't really understand why hooksaw would be so insecure about having someone read his posts. Apparently he is either ashamed of what he writes or is too afraid to be associated with his own words. Regardless, it seems like an over-reaction to a fairly insignificant threat.

2/17/2009 10:23:09 AM