Nothing is more hilarious than one religious fundamentalist denouncing other religion's fundamentalists.

3/2/2009 2:42:02 PM

sometimes i think modern christians are just jealous of the conviction and dedication shown by the extremists in question

"If only I had that dedication, we could have prayer in schools again and we'd overturn Roe v. Wade", says the hypothetical modern christian, at least in my mind

3/2/2009 3:02:37 PM

ok I am about a 1/4 of a way through some of your readings. And I think I am going to clear something up for you. The Old Testament is filled with violence. Do you know why? It's because of sin and the first covenant that God made with Moses. Where he read out the 10 commandments for his people to follow. Now why was their war and violence? After God was fed up with the Israelites turning against him and following the other nations around them by worshiping their idols, instead of teaching them who God was, he turned them over to Babylon. Everyone fell to Babylon from Israel and the surrounding nations to Egypt. Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed and the Jews were carried off to slavery for 70 years.

After God punished them, he made a new covenant with them.
JEREMIAH 31:

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"27 "Behold, days are coming, "declares the LORD, "when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and with the seed of beast. 28 "As I have watched over them to pluck up, to break down, to overthrow, to destroy and to bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. 29 "In those days they will not say again, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children's teeth are set on edge.' 30 "But everyone will die for his own iniquity; each man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth will be set on edge. 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them, "declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Isreal after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." 35 Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name: 36 "If this fixed order departs From before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease From being a nation before Me forever." 37 Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done," declares the LORD. 38 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when the city will be rebuilt for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 "The measuring line will go out farther straight ahead to the hill Gareb; then it will turn to Goah. 40 "And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD; it will not be plucked up or overthrown anymore forever.""

There you go...now read the whole bible if you want to go ahead and make the assumption that Christianity teaches hatred. This was written in the Old Testament during the time that the Israelites were being carried of the Babylon as slaves. Also how much violence do you find after Jesus comes? I mean Jesus actually rebuked one of his disciples for cutting off the ear of one of the slaves of the high priests, while they were arresting Jesus. Later Jesus Christ was taken to be tortured and crucified.

3/2/2009 3:22:01 PM

^^ why would I be jealous, when I am more concerned with being lead up with bullets for saying that I am christian. I am not trying to force my religion on anyone. The intention of this topic was to show what Muslims are saying.

** I also should add that Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, or whatever are not safe either under Islamic law. If you are not Islamic you are in trouble. I don't see that threat from any other religion.

[Edited on March 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2009 3:23:53 PM

^^Classic Christian apologetic response. The old testament establishes "the law," right? But then when zombie Jesus saves the day, the law gets thrown out - except not really, because we're still supposed to pay attention to the law, except the really extreme stuff - like not eating pork. So one is left to wonder, why even have the old testament?

If God really is perfect, then why is the law not applied equally to different groups, over time? Why is it okay for God to kill millions (possibly billions) of people in the old testament? Are you suggesting that it was okay for God to kill every single person in the world, except for Noah and his family, but including the millions of babies, children, and innocents that could not be classified as "wicked"? And, even if they were wicked, would it be okay for God to kill them all?

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"23: And he [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up that way, there came forth little children of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; Go up, thou bald head. 24: And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood and tare forty and two children of them."

If we want to talk bible verses, then let's talk about the ones that Christians never talk about. Like this one, 2 Kings 2:24, where the prophet Elisha calls upon God to curse some youths that made fun of him for being bald. God obliges, sending out two bears to mangle 42 kids.

Hell, the bible even endorses human sacrifice. Remember the story of Jephthah? I do, but you probably don't. Open up your bible and check out Judges 11. If you believe that what the bible says really is true, then you believe in an immoral God. Again, your problem is with the bible.

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3/2/2009 4:11:47 PM

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"If God really is perfect, then why is the law not applied equally to different groups, over time? Why is it okay for God to kill millions (possibly billions) of people in the old testament? Are you suggesting that it was okay for God to kill every single person in the world, except for Noah and his family, but including the millions of babies, children, and innocents that could not be classified as "wicked"? And, even if they were wicked, would it be okay for God to kill them all?"

If you're the ultimate being in the universe then you get to do whatever you want, basically.

3/2/2009 4:23:34 PM

Muslims are all liars. They are telling you that they own the entire Middle Easy including Israel. And not only that but Rome and the rest of the world. They have no right to be saying this. They claim just for themselves that Allah commanded them to rule the world. I'll tell you another thing Allah was the principle Babylonian moon god who was supposedly the greatest of all of the gods worshiped by the Babylonians. Muhammed took Allah and said that he was the only god and all of the other gods are not. With that he took what the Jews and Christians wrote in the Torah and the Bible and twisted it to create his own religion and claim that the God of the Bible and Torah are the same God. He is not.

Look at this video at what this Muslim is saying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0n85JVqXQQ

3/2/2009 4:24:21 PM

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"I'll tell you another thing Allah was the principle Babylonian moon god who was supposedly the greatest of all of the gods worshiped by the Babylonians. Muhammed took Allah and said that he was the only god and all of the other gods are not."

that's basically the same thing the jews did with yahweh...

3/2/2009 4:29:44 PM

^What?

God was not an idle made by man's own hands. Read the bible, if you want to see what it says about false Idols and statues. Do you ever wonder why Muslims make the trip to Mecca and circle the Kaaba seven times...it was a pagan practice done long before Muhammed entered the scene.

3/2/2009 4:33:02 PM

ahahahahaha

READ THE BIBLE FOR TALES AND STORIES THAT WERE NOT AT ALL IN EXISTENCE UNTIL THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN

again

this is utterly the complete inverse of why froshkiller wrote his epic post

3/2/2009 4:34:23 PM

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"If you're the ultimate being in the universe then you get to do whatever you want, basically."

So might makes right, and we can throw out all of our notions of morality. Excellent.

3/2/2009 4:34:38 PM

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"^What?"

i hate to be the one to break it to you, but judaism was a polytheistic faith

[Edited on March 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM. Reason : ever wonder why god speaks in the plural in genesis...]

3/2/2009 4:37:04 PM

its folks like this fucker that make me thankful I can have a relationship with God without needing a relationship with his followers

3/2/2009 4:38:29 PM

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"Muslims are all liars."

Anybody that uses All, Always, or never to generalize a population automatically loses 100% credibility in my book. This is also negating the primary flaw in your argument since Muslim is not synonymous with Islam.

For Example: Saddam's Iraq was a muslim but not an islamic nation

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"this is utterly the complete inverse of why froshkiller wrote his epic post"

I think we should copy->paste this for the n00bs sake anyway.

[Edited on March 2, 2009 at 4:47 PM. Reason : s]

3/2/2009 4:47:00 PM

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"If you are not Islamic you are in trouble. I don't see that threat from any other religion."

you know, there was a time when I lived in a rather well known Muslim neighborhood in a war torn country (it was in the original video in this thread) and not only was I not in trouble, I was welcomed into the community.

Sure, there are lunatics out there that make these threats and many who are determined to see them through, but this doesnt represent the entire Islamic world. Islam is organizationally more fragmented than Christianity.

3/2/2009 5:05:16 PM

I will make it clear to you. Moderate Muslims have either been deceived by Islam, saying it is a religion of peace or they do not know what their Quran fully says and what their beloved false prophet did and said. Whether they know it or not all Muslims are following the false teachings of a sick and corrupted man.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4862848673118895774&ei=HlesSeadOILorgLE_r3-BA&q=the+truth+about+mohammed&hl=en

Did you know that it is illegal to say anything that insults the prophet Muhammed or Islam in Islamic countries. It's a crime that is punishable by death. Don't let this faith full you. This evil religion cloaks itself in a nice pretty bow, saying it's a religion of peace and Muhammed was a kind merciful man.

I am done for now. I just wanted you guys to see some of this stuff so you can observe it and judge it for yourself.

3/2/2009 5:09:19 PM

shut the fuck up and go away

also

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"I think we should copy->paste this for the n00bs sake anyway."

its on the first page, go for it

3/2/2009 5:15:56 PM

Now let me make it clear for you: Whether or not Moderate Muslims have been deceived by their religion is irrelevant. However, it goes to show that you accept that not all Muslims believe in violence.

Did you know that it is illegal to plow your field with an elephant in the state of North Carolina? Different governments/countries have different laws, some of which are ridiculous. We get it.

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"I just wanted you guys to see some of this stuff so you can observe it and judge it for yourself."

And the point that some of us are trying to make is that we have been out in the world in these communities and have based our conclusions on more than a few youtube video clips.

3/2/2009 5:34:55 PM

^It is great the not all Muslims are violent. The only problem is it's also setting up a front for all of the radicals to come in and plot terrorism in free country.

There are people that have no idea what is going on and they see oh these Muslims are peaceful their religion is not evil. And then you have all of these radicals that are saying the world must be ruled by Allah and that the Americas and Europe must be destroyed so it can be ruled by Muslims. The problem there is these people that don't know what is going on don't see these evil radical Muslims coming into our nation and plotting Terrorist attacks on our country to take it down. 9/11 was not the first time they have committed terrorism in America.

Does the fact that these videos were on You Tube actually discredit what these people are saying? Then where did these videos come from. Is it just part of our imagination that these people are saying this on tv.

Look at England now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9LrvkXRQXQ

What they do is they sit on your doorstep like a lost innocent sick child. Then when they've gained enough strength from you they turn their back on you and want to rule your country. They did it to Lebanon and they're trying to do it all across Europe right now. America is next on their list. Think I'm kidding you, but this is actually what they're planning.

Here's just a list of Terrorist Attacks on America inside or abroad:

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" 1920 Sept. 16, New York City: TNT bomb planted in unattended horse-drawn wagon exploded on Wall Street opposite House of Morgan, killing 35 people and injuring hundreds more. Bolshevist or anarchist terrorists believed responsible, but crime never solved. 1975 Jan. 24, New York City: bomb set off in historic Fraunces Tavern killed 4 and injured more than 50 people. Puerto Rican nationalist group (FALN) claimed responsibility, and police tied 13 other bombings to the group. 1979 Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration. 1982–1991 Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days. 1983 April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut. Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80. 1984 Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military. Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed. 1985 April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82. June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed. Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya. Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya. 1986 April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9. April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds. 1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families. 1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected. 1995 April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.) Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen. 1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001. 1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large. 2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network. 2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.) 2002 June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda. 2003 1 May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected. 2004 May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American. June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks. Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security. 2005 Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility. 2006 Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled. 2007 Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries. Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices. 2008 May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya. June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad. June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province. July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years. Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed. Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack. Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans. "

*I don't think all of the first few are related to Islam, but count the rest and see how many that are.

[Edited on March 2, 2009 at 7:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2009 7:04:41 PM

Oh man, thank you so much for bringing all of this to the light! I had never heard of such god fearing people being terrorists and killers!

What do you propose we do?

3/2/2009 7:40:22 PM

^I say we should speak the truth, while we still can.

Islam says that Democracy and Freedom of Speech is evil. So if this country was ruled by Islamic Law we would have no freedom of speech you would be a brainwashed Jihadist bowing down to a false god 5 times a day. The God of the bible doesn't require any repetitive religious acts to pray to him or worship him. He is the living God and if you pray to him and it is his will he will answer.

3/2/2009 7:58:46 PM

Has anyone seen that Luke Wilson movie, Henry Poole Is Here? And he likes lectures that lady about her tryna convert him because she's only doing it to reinforce her own faith.

That's what all this shit is. Christians and Muslims and Jews fighting with each other because their faith is weak. You'd think, "Oh, that dude killed that other dude over religion. He must be really devout." But he's really just compensating for the fact that his faith ain't shit.

Religion fucks people's heads up like crazy. Makes them all twisted and shit.


jignc1684, since a lot of people aren't agreeing with you, I will go ahead and agree with you on one thing: the origin of Islam is some "crazy stuff." But I'm kinda on board with it. I'd totally root for the slutty Hagar over that frigid bitch Sarah any day.

3/2/2009 8:07:13 PM

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"Islam says that Democracy and Freedom of Speech is evil."

Where?

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"The God of the bible doesn't require any repetitive religious acts to pray to him or worship him."

I guess you should quit going to church every week if you're so anti-ritual.

But there's no real point in discussing anything with this guy (if he isn't an alias), he's obviously too ignorant to support his claims with anything other than youtube videos.

3/2/2009 9:20:52 PM

^
Youtube was passed on to mankind directly from the coding prowess of the One True God.
so whatever, dude.

3/2/2009 9:23:11 PM

http://www.comenserv.org/HANDBOOK%20ON%20ISLAM.html

3/2/2009 9:29:33 PM

So can you provide me with anything that says that islam is a religion of peace except for a few retarded verses in the Quran. Is there any evidence that you can provide that there are not terrorists acts all across the world. Can you say that 9/11 didn't happen. Even they Muslims say that the holocaust never happened and I think they have removed that from the education in Britain. Some of you guys are brainwashed idiots if you think that none of this is real. Also you know nothing about me. I don't go to church like I should. I just believe in free will and the right to do what you feel is right, but not to kill someone just because they don't believe that your way is right. Muslims like most other religions believe that their religion is the correct one. But they are THE ONLY ones who believe it is their religious duty to destroy those that don't believe like they do. Could that be true???? Ask yourself why would God even create us in the first place if he expects us all to kill those who don't follow him. IF that were the case he should have never created us at all. There would be no point. That is why I believe that Islam is a false religion made up by some psycho-path 600 years after Jesus Christ was on this earth.

But that is besides the point. I am not trying to impose my religion on you. The point of this thread was to debate on the fact that Muslims are saying that they want to take over the world. That includes America, which I think they hate almost as much as Israel.

Does anyone have any proof that they don't have any terrorist plots to take down our country? No but there is plenty of evidence that they are.

I mean some of you guys are saying the there are moderate Muslims that don't agree with the radical Muslims, right? Why don't we see the moderate Muslims in the street protesting against the radical Muslims? Defending the fact that their religion is peace. Come on show us that your religion means peace.

3/2/2009 9:47:05 PM

You are a joke dude.

The moderate muslims do not need to rock the streets with protest b.c they are the establishment.

3/2/2009 9:51:21 PM

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"But they are THE ONLY ones who believe it is their religious duty to destroy those that don't believe like they do."

LOL Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they are.

3/2/2009 9:59:15 PM

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"So can you provide me with anything that says that islam is a religion of peace except for a few retarded verses in the Quran."

I demand proof that this religion is peaceful. And you're not allowed to directly quote that religion's holy book, because it's retarded.

3/2/2009 10:13:46 PM

I am enjoying this debate guys. Here's another great video to demonstrate the violence of Islam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYdcAnHoew&feature=PlayList&p=8F0D1C9F9F2EE9DD&index=13&playnext=13&playnext_from=PL

^^^well please establishment. Tell those guys that did those heinous crimes against those innocent people, that this is not what Islam is all about.

[Edited on March 2, 2009 at 10:38 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2009 10:36:27 PM

you don't enjoy the debate, you are spamming quotes and videos
you are a modern day salisburyboy

3/2/2009 10:37:37 PM

3/2/2009 10:52:30 PM

People were all riding my nuts for not treating this guy seriously, and now look where we are.

I would like to point out that I was the very first one to call him an idiot, though I regret I did not add a solid "GTFO"

3/2/2009 11:40:08 PM

He hadn't proven himself to be an idiot at the start, though. Only implied it.

3/2/2009 11:40:48 PM

I'm just saying, I was trying to save us all some time.

I recognize a salisburyboy when I see one.

3/2/2009 11:42:37 PM

^?

Dude, you responded to him several times with lengthy posts. In fact, you've devoted the most original words to this thread than anybody but maybe him.

And the only one who was really on your nuts was Willy Nilly.

I don't understand how you can totally fall into an argument with a silly bigot (like we all do), but then act all uppity and know-it-ally like nobody else realized he was a bigot...when you clearly fell for it the most of everybody.

3/3/2009 1:53:36 AM

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"It is great the not all Muslims are violent. The only problem is it's also setting up a front for all of the radicals to come in and plot terrorism in free country."

Short of banning Islam outright, how do you propose that we prevent Islamic terror? I really don't think that it would be a good idea to recreate modern day internment camps based on the WWII japanese model. Those who wish to do us harm will hide behind good people to prevent being compromised. This will happen regardless of their religion or cause.

As far as your terror list against america goes, I notice a few things. First, there are a number of incidents that werent plots against the US or US interests. The terrorists simply got lucky and managed to knock off a few americans. Second and perhaps most important, if you really look at the terrorist attacks with Islamic ties you will noticed that the VAST majority of them can be tied (directly or indirectly) to two organizations: Al-Qaeda and the Iranian Pasdaran. These groups hardly represent the interests of the entire islamic world.

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"Why don't we see the moderate Muslims in the street protesting against the radical Muslims?"

in just a quick search in your beloved youtube, i came across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7kuQ2h_zc Im sure that if you were really interested in finding examples of Muslims protesting against Islamic violence you could find plenty.

3/3/2009 4:06:23 AM

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"Short of banning Islam outright, how do you propose that we prevent Islamic terror? I really don't think that it would be a good idea to recreate modern day internment camps based on the WWII japanese model. Those who wish to do us harm will hide behind good people to prevent being compromised. This will happen regardless of their religion or cause."

I don't think so. The problem is that the Qu'ran condones and promotes violence against non-believers. The reason you have a whole wing of Jihadists is, well...because the Qu'ran supports what they're doing, in some capacity. Now, the Qu'ran also discourages violence in some places. Just like the bible, it's full of contradictions. And, just like the bible, different people interpret it in different ways, which leads to some people using it for violence. That's the whole trouble with having a book that claims to be the absolute truth.

3/3/2009 12:47:35 PM

Because the Bible doesn't condone violence. Romans 1 1:32.

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"Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

I don't give a shit if it says it in your Bible, Qur’an, Bhagavad Gita, roll of toilet paper, or the tramp stamp of the hooker you're banging: the individual is ultimately responsible for his actions. Islam isn't forcing anyone to do any terrorist acts. People are crazy, murderous assholes and will continue to be so long after religion is no longer an excuse.

3/3/2009 1:56:33 PM

I havent really read the thread, but the only thing I will say is that I wish the majority of muslims, who are peace-loving and reasonable, would quit standing by in silence as the radicals of their religion dominate the headlines and create the stereotypes.

3/3/2009 2:01:11 PM

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""I'll tell you another thing Allah was the principle Babylonian moon god who was supposedly the greatest of all of the gods worshiped by the Babylonians. Muhammed took Allah and said that he was the only god and all of the other gods are not."

The history of your god has been well documented, jig. I'm sorry, but while Allah is indeed probably descended from a moon god (btw, are you salisburyboy, or just reading the same drivel as he was), the story of your god evolved as he started out as Yahweh Sabaoth, a war god of the Canaanites, and slowly took over as the only god of the Canaanites / Israelites, then became known as the creator god. The story of his creation mirrors the story of the religions that follow him - violence, war, slaughterings, crusades, and takeovers of the others who stood in his way.

I recommend (though you won't) that you read A History Of God by Karen Armstrong.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_n4_v54/ai_15493662

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" The story begins with the development of pagan gods and the way in which one of them, Yahweh Sabaoth (a war god), begins to usurp the roles of others among the Canaanites. Through his cult's efforts, Yahweh achieves a certain ruthless character, much like a modern executive buying up a company's shares for a hostile takeover. "His" greatest coup is convincing the Jews (whom he has just been credited with leading out of Egypt, the basis for his rise to fame) that he is the same god as "El Shaddai," with whom Abraham had dealt long ago and who was almost certainly the old Canaanite high god El. Eventually, of course, the cult of Yahweh obliterated the other gods by forbidding their worship, and over the centuries developed the concept of "the only god." The strain of maintaining this new concept is aptly illuminated by the way Christianity, trying to have its cake and eat it too, floundered for an explanation of how Jesus and Yahweh could both be God. Thus developed "the holy trinity," which became a great conceptual liability."

3/3/2009 2:40:06 PM

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"I havent really read the thread, but the only thing I will say is that I wish the majority of muslims, who are peace-loving and reasonable, would quit standing by in silence as the radicals of their religion dominate the headlines and create the stereotypes."

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=muslims+denounce+terrorism

3/3/2009 2:44:23 PM

^wasting your time.

Of course - aren't we all?

3/3/2009 2:49:07 PM

you guys love to read your internet sources while simultaneously ignoring the real world. sure there are muslims that speak out but they have no influence. 9 out of 10 people in the world have no idea these organizations exist. that is reality.

radical muslims DOMINATE worldwide opinion of their religion. maybe that has something to do with the fact that what they do is sensational, but maybe it also has to do with the fact that the muslim populace tolerate groups like the Taliban and other hard-liners.

but hey...you found websites and youtube videos to the contrary. I must be wrong.

[Edited on March 3, 2009 at 2:57 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2009 2:56:34 PM

just another quote:

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"Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' " "

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"Volume 4, Book 56, Number 792: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "A time will come when the people will wage holy war, and it will be asked, 'Is there any amongst you who has enjoyed the company of Allah's Apostle?' They will say: 'Yes.' And then victory will be bestowed upon them. They will wage holy war again, and it will be asked: 'Is there any among you who has enjoyed the company of the companions of Allah's Apostle ?' They will say: 'Yes.' And then victory will be bestowed on them." "

This is the end of days according the Islam. In the end when all the Muslims are ready to slaughter all of the Jews. The Jews will be hiding behind stones and trees, but the stones will cry out that there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.

Call me a bigot all you want, but when your religion actually teaches the slaughter of a race of people, that is called genocide. I am sorry if speaking the truth is called bigotry in your understanding, and Insulting your religion is called speaking the truth and calling it as I see it. Would you call the people that were against the Nazis in WWII, bigots? I guess they would be wouldn't they.

3/3/2009 3:17:55 PM

Can we go one fucking week around here without someone from one religious nutjob group attacking some other religious nutjob group? Listen, mongoloid, your fairy tales aren't any better than their fairy tales.

Let's call a spade a spade here. PEOPLE fucking suck. That's what the problem boils down to. Anybody blowing up buildings, bombing innocent people, slitting throats for a "god" are fucking retards. Don't get me wrong, anyone believing in any religion is a retard, but these are orders of magnitude worse. Find them, kill them and deny them any mercy for what they've done.

You can stop with your "My god is better than your god bullshit". IT DOESN'T EXIST. SO EAT A DICK AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.

3/3/2009 3:40:13 PM

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"radical muslims DOMINATE worldwide opinion of their religion. maybe that has something to do with the fact that what they do is sensational, but maybe it also has to do with the fact that the muslim populace tolerate groups like the Taliban and other hard-liners."

I'd suggest you check the history of christianity 1381 years AD (it's been 1381 years since Islam was founded in 627).

Just as example, 1391 The Jewish community of Barcelona is decimated and hundreds of thousands of Jews are either massacred or forced into baptism in Aragon and Castille. From then on into the fifteenth century, Jews continue to be forcefully baptized. Although the Church frowned upon this type of mass compulsory conversion, once the person was converted, any deviation from the true faith on the part of the convert constituted "heresy."
1391 Spanish Jews are forced to convert to Catholicism for the sake of "social and sectarian uniformity."
August 24, 1391 Jews were massacred in Palma de Mallorca.
1394 - 1423 Pope Benedict XIII is antipope at Avignon.
September 16, 1394 Antipope Clement VII died.
September 17, 1394 Jews were expelled from France by order of King Charles VI.
November 03, 1394 Jews were expelled from France by Charles VI.
November 15, 1397 Pope Nicholas V was born.
1399 In England, the death penalty becomes the punishment for heresy and many Lollards, John Wycliffe's lay followers, are converted.

And let's not forget that the crusades had just ended the century before.

Do you see my point?

[Edited on March 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2009 3:54:16 PM

I am not defending Christianity nor do I really care what religions persecuted other religions 700 years ago. It matters not today. It does not matter the little girls in Iraq with acid thrown in their face because they wanted to go to school. It does not matter to nick berg who had his head severed live on TV by the serrated side of a rambo knife. It does not matter to the people in Gaza who live and die at the whim of Hamas's boner for launching rockets into Israel.

I am talking about NOW. had I been alive in the 1300's I would be railing against the prevailing religious assholes of the day. TODAY, those assholes are radical Muslims. if the Muslim community as a whole were to stand up against them, expel them from the mosques, not allow them to store weapons and raise money among them, they would be defeated and Islam everywhere would be better off for it.

[Edited on March 3, 2009 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2009 4:10:10 PM

And the jews aren't assholes? Please don't misunderstand me - I think all religion causes evil, and I totally agree that the percentage of muslims who are radicalized is too high. I also think the percentage of radical christians is too high - though not as high.

3/3/2009 4:22:57 PM

there are asshole jews, asshole christians, asshole buddists, assholes atheists, etc...

but the asshole Muslims are the only ones killing and violently subjecting large numbers of people today because of their ideologies, therefore I most concerned with them.

3/3/2009 4:30:10 PM