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"stop being so "nosey""

come on, everyone who knows you knows you're nosey.

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"pics on jj.am "

while now that is in jest, i'm sure sooner or later they will be. for a short period at least until someone forces them to take them down.

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"her friend killed herself and she killed herself immediately aferwards, and it's being assumed that cell phone nudes are the cause of suicide? "

that is highly suspect.

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"Logan said she’s been through six lawyers in what has so far been an unsuccessful battle to hold school officials responsible for the bullying of her daughter.""

the school is in no way responsible. her classmates would have been just as likely to tease her outside of school. her mother should have paid more attention to the needs of her daughter. plain and simple. had she done so her daughter would likely still be alive. today.

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"Uh... Shouldn't it be she "hung herself"?"

No, its hanged

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:06 AM. Reason : sTUFF]

5/12/2009 10:03:34 AM

^ It's past-tense though, I feel it should be "hung." I guess it could be either.

5/12/2009 10:11:41 AM

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"her mother should have paid more attention to the needs of her daughter. plain and simple. had she done so her daughter would likely still be alive. today."

thanks for the analysis dr phil. - you can go now.

5/12/2009 10:13:59 AM

^^

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"Originally these words were pretty much interchangeable, but “hanged” eventually came to be used pretty exclusively to mean “executed by hanging.” Does nervousness about the existence of an indelicate adjectival form of the word prompt people to avoid the correct word in such sentences as “Lady Wrothley saw to it that her ancestors’ portraits were properly hung”? Nevertheless, “hung” is correct except when capital punishment is being imposed or someone commits suicide."

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM. Reason : b]

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:19 AM. Reason : I win!]

5/12/2009 10:17:56 AM

^^no, not either.

its only one, hanged

5/12/2009 10:18:42 AM

^4 it's 'hanged'

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"Usage note: Hang has two forms for the past tense and past participle, hanged and hung. The historically older form hanged is now used exclusively in the sense of causing or putting to death: He was sentenced to be hanged by the neck until dead."

from dictionary.com

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM. Reason : dang. looks like we all posted around the same time here.]

5/12/2009 10:18:58 AM

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"thanks for the analysis dr phil. - you can go now."

i'm not trying to be doctor phil nor am i trying to be a dick. but when placing responsibility its clear it lies with the mother far more so than with the school. an fact which i would think to be irrefutable.

if her daughter was so distraught over the nature of these photos the mother should have noticed, consoled her, found her counseling, let her switch schools, or a hundred other things. This is another clear example of people not wanting to own up to accountability and in an effort to no blame herself the mother pushes the blame on the school so she can sleep at night.

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM. Reason : a]

5/12/2009 10:20:06 AM

Reminds me of this thread

message_topic.aspx?topic=564165

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM. Reason : ]

5/12/2009 10:25:12 AM

^^ i tend to agree.

but did the girl report to school officials that she was being teased/harassed at school? (i didn't read the whole thread/links) if she did and the school did nothing, i would think they have some responsibility in the incident, but in the end, a parent needs to communicate with their children and know what is going on in their life to reduce the chances of things like this happening.


[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM. Reason : italics, duh]

5/12/2009 10:26:55 AM

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"but when placing responsibility its clear it lies with the mother far more so than with the school. an fact which i would think to be irrefutable."

except that responsibility lies with the GIRL herself, and, to a lesser extent, the guy who sent around the pictures

1.) the girl probably shouldn't have been getting naked and allowing her boyfriend to take pictures, but that was 100% her choice (as far as i know)

2.) the guy was a class A douchebag in sending those around...i mean, even if they broke up because she cheated or something, it's pretty douchey (though i admit that if she cheated, i'd totally think about doing it, too, as punishment for being a whore)...but i didn't read the article, so i'm assuming that it was just your run-of-the-mill "we just aren't good together" breakup, which makes him an ass

3.) the girl was waaaaaaaay too sensitive...yeah, she made a mistake in letting him take pictures, but that's life...you live and you learn or you hang yourself because you're not capable of reconciling reality

4.) it's not the school's fault or responsibility, end of story...it didn't take place on school grounds (except, i assume, for the receiving of the pictures) and unless you want to get Willy Nilly in here all riled up about personal rights, you have to agree that the school has no business about what people receive on their phones...as for the bullying, it HAPPENS EVERY DAY and they can't babysit everyone

5.) the mother is only responsible in that she might have paid better attention to her daughter, but i didn't read the article, so i'm assuming she simply didn't think her daughter was suicidal

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2009 10:27:18 AM

the moral of the story - suicide solves all

5/12/2009 10:31:34 AM

^6 Ohhhh I see. Well now I'll have the proper term when talking about someone who killed someone else or their own self...

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 10:40 AM. Reason : Thank you for all the clarification ]

5/12/2009 10:40:12 AM

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"Cynthia Logan only learned there was a problem at all when she started getting daily letters from her daughter’s school reporting that the young woman was skipping school. ... After her picture was disseminated electonically, formerly upbeat Jesse Logan began skipping classes. She took away her daughter’s car and drove her to school herself, but Jesse still skipped classes. She told her mother there were pictures involved and that a group of younger girls who had received them were harassing her, calling her vicious names, even throwing objects at her. But she didn’t realize the full extent of her daughter’s despair."

I mean at this point how does a mother not tell her child that they can go to another school or make some sort of arrangement so her daughter doesn't have to deal with that torment. It appears to me she was fully aware of the extent of her daughters despair, regardless of what she wants to allow herself to believe.

5/12/2009 10:51:36 AM

^how's YOUR relationship with your mother?

5/12/2009 11:35:16 AM

I'm a mother lover

5/12/2009 11:36:14 AM

^2 pretty damn good. if i was in a situation like that my mother would have told me that i made my own bed, and that she would understand though if i wanted to do x y or z to try and ease the pain. she would ultimately describe it as an unfortunate circumstance but a great lesson learned.

5/12/2009 11:42:45 AM

^ ditto

my parents didn't excuse bad choices, but they recognize that children sometimes make them and that things can be done to ameliorate the problems caused by them

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2009 11:43:39 AM

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"man if that shit happened to my daughter, i'd go ballistic on the bf, the bullies, and all their parents. i'll fuckin choke a bitch"

I concur and you know I will premeditate some shit.

5/12/2009 11:48:41 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very interesting, but why would that ever happen???

5/12/2009 12:22:42 PM

So... in what way does the dude spreading the pics around NOT constitute distribution of underage porn?

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM. Reason : or was this chick just 18 when it happened?]

5/12/2009 12:31:19 PM

well i think to be considered child porn she would have to be engaged in a sexual act. Her sitting naked does not constitute porn.

fwiw, this is why jj.am can operate so freely.

V to be more clear by sexual act I don't mean she the subject has to be engaged in sex or playing with a dildo. but if a girl is standing and topless it does not count as pornography. if she is standing completely naked and is not touching her genitals it also does not constitute pornography.



[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 1:47 PM. Reason : xxx]

5/12/2009 1:34:55 PM

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"International Criminal Police Organisation ("INTERPOL") delegates define child pornography as "the visual depiction of the sexual exploitation of a child, focussing on the child's sexual behaviour or genitals." "

http://www.crime-research.org/articles/536/

I don't think it matters if she was just sitting there naked. Although, if the guy was just distributing the photos out of meanness and not for the people to get sexual use out of them, I think that's when they would run into a sticky situation because was he exploiting her image for sexual purposes (like for others) or was he just being a dick and embarrassing her? Personally, I think it should count either way you look at it but if they were both over 18, nothing can really be done.. (About the child pornography, not in general)

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2009 1:41:13 PM

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"Saps did that to me."

maybe, but you deserved it

5/12/2009 3:15:34 PM

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"(513): dude, check out these nude pics of my ex (513): hey, she's got a pretty nice body...you go, dawg! (513): yeah...i pulled them up for fapping purposes (513): no need to share, but i'd fap to that (513): i'm gonna go do that now...don't send those to anyone else, okay? i'd hate for anyone else to see them (513): i would never do that to you, man! ... (513): dude, check out these nude pics of my friend's ex"

5/12/2009 3:16:07 PM

how has no one brought up the ut porn girl yet? maybe someone should contact her and see how she dealt with the humiliation

5/16/2009 2:36:15 PM

who cares? moral of the story: don't take, or let someone else take, nude pictures/video of you unless you know for a fact that they'll never share them with others

date more trustworthy people and/or don't be so much of a camera whore...end of story

5/16/2009 2:43:07 PM

survival of the fittest

5/16/2009 3:52:55 PM

who cares? moral of the story: don't take, or let someone else take, nude pictures/video of you unless you know for a fact that they'll never share them with others

marry a more trustworthy person and/or don't be so much of a camera whore...end of story

5/16/2009 3:55:07 PM

so where the hell are the pics?

5/16/2009 4:18:30 PM

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"It is sad though, i'm just thinking about it in a Unitarian sense I guess. "

utilitarian, you mean?

5/16/2009 6:31:23 PM