2 pages of jb trolling

3/17/2009 3:13:48 PM

This thread is so amusing. I'd have never guessed that a KOF thread would get this much attention.

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"1985 < 1991 so how exactly am I "wrong either way" ??"

Street Fighter II, considered the progenitor of all modern fighting games, didn't come out until 1991.

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"No, if being on the field taught you how to move your legs and arms then you would have a point... "

And yet, strangely enough, those people who actually continue to play the game - or sport - and learn from it are the ones who improve their talents and become better at it. I'd be willing to believe that that logic would apply to most competitive events.

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"these games just come down to whoever has nothing else to do in their lives so they just sit and pump quarters in troll a message board over and over and then "beat" someone who has played posted 1/100 of the time, oh shit! you are a badass!"

Fixed that for ya.

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"its not about strategy, its about memorizing certain movements... strategy is something that someone who has never played before could possibly come up with to beat someone else, memorization is not strategy"

So then why do athletes even bother to practice at all? I mean, since you make the generalization that looks like they only need to memorize one move to be good at whatever they are playing and that practice is unnecessary. Reflex, speed, and fine motor control don't even factor in to your argument. Seems to me that somewhere along the line, skill, strategy, and execution have to come together in order to achieve a win, and a big component of this is the 3 things I just listed. Doing the same thing over and over is eventually going to result in someone wising up and taking advantage of your shortcomings. Perhaps you may have a lack of strategic creativity?

Strategy: "a plan, method, or series of maneuvers (or any artifice, ruse, or trick devised to gain an advantage over an adversary or competitor) for obtaining a specific goal or result."

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"Say you are playing Madden. I like playing coach mode because it comes down to strategy and "football planning" more than just "oh, I dont know shit about football but I can press X-X-RB-RB-O-X faster than you!" Thats why I hate "playing" madden as in controlling the players instead of coach mode because knowing certain combinations or gimmick maneuvers can overcome actual football knowledge because of the limitations of a video game."

That's real impressive since I just this past weekend watched the 5-year-old son of one of my friends do that same thing and led the Eagles to a 42-7 win over the Panthers, both teams on All Madden AI level. That win is the result of the computer simply being able to play with a preset skill and intelligence level. If the players on any particular real world team haven't learned their moves and haven't put them into practice, then they're going to lose. Same principle applies to fighting games - if you know how to throw a fireball but don't know when to and when not to, then it doesn't do you a whole lot of good. Execution timing is going to get you a long way in almost any competitive example, but if you can't count on the move/play to be executed when you need it, then you're going to be in trouble.

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"I like backing up all the way, and flipping constantly against the side of the screen and kicking when someone came near me... cant remember the game but it always worked haha."

Wow. You must have been playing against people even less capable than you.

But really, if you don't like fighting games, then that's great. We'll get along just fine without you. I really dislike playing against people who don't know what they're doing anyway. There's no fun in it.

3/17/2009 3:16:44 PM

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"no, I said this at the beginning but all of you were so blindly defending them that you didnt notice."

You definitely did not do this. You repeated again and again the only skill involved learning the moves by pumping quarters into the machines. And I admitted in my first response to your question the genre hadn't "advanced much". So much for "blindly defending them".

3/17/2009 3:23:39 PM

^^ no, thats not the same thing as "why do athletes even bother to practice at all

and see this:

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"I guess my point is this: a good football video game should be able to be played (and played well) by someone who has never touched a controller before but knows football. Vince Lombardi should be able to play a good football video game because he has superior football knowledge. It's knowledge of the subject that is important, not a knowledge of weird combinations of joystick movements and buttons. The interface itself should be really transparent, really easy, but what you DO with that is the skill part. I feel that 95% of fighting games is just being the one that knows more combination of buttons than the next guy."

Fighting games isnt about one person being more strategic than someone else... its about someone knowing the game mechanics better than someone else... in my mind, a GOOD fighting game would be one that some black belt in martial arts could step into completely cold (having NEVER played the game) and beat some little 8 year old kid who just happens to be good at "combos" but that doesnt happen. Does the black belt know more fighting strategy? of COURSE he does, but that doesnt matter, he doesnt know the ridiculous combinations that you only get from pumping in quarters over and over so the little kid will beat his ass.

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"Street Fighter II, considered the progenitor of all modern fighting games, didn't come out until 1991."

no one mentioned the "progenitor"... and even if they hav, I said 1991, which still means I would be correct.

Here, let me fix it for you:

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"these games just come down to whoever has nothing else to do in their lives so they just sit and write a pathetic blog over and over that no one cares about and then "beat" someone who isn't sad, oh shit! you are a badass!""

Hows that "white knight" shit doing for you? your quest complete?


^ I like how you ignored the FIRST thing I said...






[Edited on March 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM. Reason : d]

3/17/2009 3:40:29 PM

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"Fighting games isnt about one person being more strategic than someone else... its about someone knowing the game mechanics better than someone else... in my mind, a GOOD fighting game would be one that some black belt in martial arts could step into completely cold (having NEVER played the game) and beat some little 8 year old kid who just happens to be good at "combos" but that doesnt happen. Does the black belt know more fighting strategy? of COURSE he does, but that doesnt matter, he doesnt know the ridiculous combinations that you only get from pumping in quarters over and over so the little kid will beat his ass. "

but what happens when 2 people have pumped equal number of quarters? is it just about luck at that point?

you are 100% correct that the skill of knowing moves does factor in, but at some point when GOOD players who ALREADY KNOW those crazy combos step into the ring, strategy begins. certainly not everyone can come in because of the learning curve, but in your example, a fighting exerpert COULD say "ah i would have had to sweep at that point in order to counter," even if he was unable to actually do so in the game.

that said, you are somewhat missing a point that it is a game and does not have a real life equivalent. no one can throw fireballs in real life so a blackbelt isnt going to do much in strategizing against them. that is arguably what makes the games fun. they are over the top and yet still require strategy (though better ones will have less of a learning curve regarding the moves).

[Edited on March 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2009 4:12:16 PM

^ now see... an actual constructive counter argument... my point is that it will very rarely come down to both people knowing an equal number of moves AND perfectly executing the moves which would then make it about who has better strategy. You almost ALWAYS have one player who knows more.

as for your second point, I only really like ultra realistic games.

3/17/2009 4:19:19 PM

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"You almost ALWAYS have one player who knows more."

I mean, there are only so many moves. I would think anyone who considers himself an experienced fighting gamer would know all the moves.

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"I only really like ultra realistic games."

Like Madden? HA

3/17/2009 4:23:14 PM

^ only in coach mode... and with stipulations, like:
-no dropping back 15 yards with the QB
-no bullshit 4th down attempts early in the game
-no option shit

etc.

3/17/2009 4:25:35 PM

Even then it's hard to say Madden is ULTRA REALISTIC. I could call the same defense every play, run one passing play and running play and win a decent share of games, coach mode or not.

3/17/2009 4:27:05 PM

against people that dont know football, yes.

as for against the computer, I force myself not to rely on the same plays, or even worse "gimmick" plays that the CPU just cant compensate for (like the option).

3/17/2009 4:30:59 PM

Well goddamn

You're the Bear Bryant of Xbox

3/17/2009 4:32:45 PM

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"Wow. You must have been playing against people even less capable than you."

This is like the very best part of fighting games - the endgame. When one person has another so completely turned around and beaten at every turn that it's all about being entertained watching them get frustrated and desperate.

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"my point is that it will very rarely come down to both people knowing an equal number of moves AND perfectly executing the moves which would then make it about who has better strategy."

Those are called tournaments. They happen all the time.

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"and even if they hav, I said 1991, which still means I would be correct."

And so which fighting games were you playing before then? I doubt you even know. There wasn't really even anything on the map before SFII.

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"but what happens when 2 people have pumped equal number of quarters? is it just about luck at that point? "

Excellent point. And can't this also be said about any real world examples? Like two fighters who have trained in the same style for the same amount of time? Or perhaps two teams who have had the same number of practices? Doesn't it come down to skill and strategy at that point? I'd probably say so.

Troll on, Jaybee. It's pretty damn funny.

3/17/2009 4:35:52 PM

are you fucking retarded?

you just quoted/responded to yourself. goofy bastard.

You stupid fuck, why do you think I picked 1991? Do you think I just randomly picked a year? Maybe I picked it because I remembered that was when SFII came out??? Therefore stressing my point that I got bored with them almost INSTANTLY. God damn you are a moron, its scary you are a teacher.


You are horrible, its funny.

/fatality


[Edited on March 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM. Reason : r]

3/17/2009 4:43:10 PM

Yes, deliberately, even! We call that strategy. Looks like it worked, seeing you get all worked up like this.

Once again, thanks for the laugh.

3/17/2009 5:09:04 PM

good job on being so predictable... I knew you were going to claim the "got you all worked up" shit.


so typical.



thank you for the many MANY laughs over the years Obi Wan

3/17/2009 5:17:37 PM

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"I guess my point is this: a good football video game should be able to be played (and played well) by someone who has never touched a controller before but knows football. Vince Lombardi should be able to play a good football video game because he has superior football knowledge. "

like that time a few years ago when i tried to get my dad, who knows a lot about football, to play madden with me and couldn't do it because he had never touched a controller before?

3/17/2009 5:29:43 PM

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"The only people that dont like sports are the ones that got their asses kicked in HS by "jocks" and never moved on..."

hahahahah

not true at all.

some people just don't give a fuck.

3/17/2009 5:32:49 PM

what in the hell is wrong with everybody in this thread?

3/17/2009 5:36:54 PM

I haven't read the thread.

But I don't like fighting games either.

3/17/2009 5:38:32 PM

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"like that time a few years ago when i tried to get my dad, who knows a lot about football, to play madden with me and couldn't do it because he had never touched a controller before? "

um, that was my point... durh


^ you havent read the thread but then you post a quote from the thread and comment on it... and I still believe in my point... you are only helping.

[Edited on March 17, 2009 at 5:48 PM. Reason : d]

3/17/2009 5:40:53 PM

btw there is a Goon meet this weekend in like fuquay if any of you are something awful forum members, gonna be lots of fighting games / money matches / grilling / boozing going down. PM me or post in this thread if you are interested.

3/18/2009 12:04:40 AM

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" ^ you havent read the thread but then you post a quote from the thread and comment on it... and I still believe in my point... you are only helping."

I played sports in high school. I'm not helping your point. You are dumb if you actually think the only people that don't like sports "got their asses kicked in HS by "jocks"".

Seriously, fucking retarded.

3/18/2009 11:31:24 PM

how do you know? you played sports. unless you did something you hated, which makes you even worse.


and you still quoted something in the thread while at the same time saying you didnt read the thread.


good job.

3/19/2009 12:18:45 AM

Yes, I played sports, had friends that didn't play sports, didn't get beaten up. Lots of people prefer to pay attention to other things in life that don't involve scoring more points on a playing field. I know professional screenwriters, medical school students, etc. etc. etc. that don't pay attention to sports. People that were not "beaten up by jocks". This is a FACT. How fucking difficult is this for you to grasp?

I skimmed the thread, and a particularly dumb post jumped out at me. Stop getting all hung up on stupid irrelevant shit, like my thread reading habits.

The fact that you even tried to make this "point" in a thread about a fighting video game is just dumb.

Fucking troll, I've been trolled, can't believe I typed this much.

3/19/2009 12:31:20 AM

never said they didnt prefer other stuff... you can prefer one thing and still also like the other, just not as much... Everyone likes some sport.. except for...


and I had let everything die, but you just had to bring it up again.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 12:45 AM. Reason : d]

3/19/2009 12:43:39 AM

plenty of regular people could not care less about other men doing shit with a ball for imaginary points.

3/19/2009 12:45:32 AM

hahha, it appears... demeaning it because it repressed you in the past.

trying to make sports balls something homosexual...

imaginary points? if anything sports is the thing where points ARENT imaginary, there is a defined thing that must occur for a point to be scored.

I bet you didnt really play sports.


typical case. You should be in a psychology textbook.




but being the gentleman that I am. I will let it die again...

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 1:02 AM. Reason : d]

3/19/2009 12:51:08 AM

Hahaha. I didn't mean to make the homo thing my main point, or a point at all really. I was trying to say some people could just find sports silly/trivial compared to other things in their lives, their careers for instance. And rather than use sports for their entertainment, many choose other things.

I don't care what you bet. I played sports. I still like sports. I now photograph sports and attend sporting events regularly. I'm not demeaning sports, I'm arguing against a retarded statement and presenting another viewpoint for your incredibly closed mind. You care about sports a lot, that's fine. I do too. Get out of your fucking bubble and stop dissing people that prefer other things.

3/19/2009 1:04:23 AM

once again, didnt say they couldnt prefer other things... I just said that for someone to not like ANY sport, ANY AT ALL, then they are consciously making themselves hate all of them just to do it. And to do something like that they have some deep seeded psychological problem and are rebelling against sports and the people who do play them.

3/19/2009 1:08:37 AM

OR they just don't give a fuck.

3/19/2009 1:14:50 AM

Strange how this topic has taken this turn into a sports psychology discussion, eh?

3/19/2009 2:00:25 PM

at least something is good about it

3/19/2009 5:41:58 PM

^

3/20/2009 2:25:25 AM

Yeah, I'd hate for those of us who have a legitimate interest in this game to have a discussion about it.

3/20/2009 1:59:09 PM

glad we agree on something Obi Pwn

3/20/2009 5:24:49 PM

because people have really been trying to discuss the game a lot in the past 20 posts

3/20/2009 5:31:59 PM

bttt... because...

THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT INTO A FUCKING MOVIE.
http://www.movieset.com/king-of-fighters
Goddamn will it be bad.

5/28/2009 5:27:32 AM

That might be the worst synopsis of a movie I've read in a long time. It's like directors never learn from past fighting game movie failures.

5/28/2009 11:05:30 AM

it cant be worse than the 2 street fighter movies

5/28/2009 2:19:35 PM

bttt, july 28th (next tuesday) this drops. Hey c'mon c'mon!

7/21/2009 10:03:57 PM

I've been watching videos of this game, and the more and more I watch, the more I want, but I'm kinda reluctant to drop $60 on this game just yet. Maybe $40, but not a full $60. From the vids, this game looks like a good one to get.

7/21/2009 10:52:41 PM

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"Kukino adds that each character took between sixteen and seventeen months to be done by 10 designers together along with Nona who revised them. However, due to the difficulties that it took to make this new designs, there will be only 20 playable characters, the lowest number ever in a game from the series.[4] However in the May 2009 Game Informer confirmed the console versions would include more characters."

Awesome if they add more characters, but jesus 16-17months and 10 designers for reach char model, no wonder these things look sexy.

7/22/2009 6:54:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eirHPK2i4uI

hot bitches and KoFXII release, I like where this is going..

7/23/2009 4:52:09 PM

graphics looks like ass, and I don't find the gameplay all that great. I'll stick to SF4 and BlazBlue

7/26/2009 1:01:29 AM

its fun, its suppose to be a reboot of the series, which is why some chars only have like one special, i think critical counters are way to easy to do, but what do you mean looks like ass? this shit looks amazing.

7/26/2009 1:45:31 AM

if you like pixels, and lots of them I suppose

7/26/2009 12:14:23 PM

gamestop shows this as being available locally today...is that true?

7/26/2009 12:49:53 PM

yea, it is at gamestop right now.

7/26/2009 3:16:12 PM