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3/22/2009 9:03:53 PM

i guess u like grinders cuz it makes you feel so much closer to the earth or some bullshit


in all honesty what the hell difference does it make

[Edited on March 22, 2009 at 9:09 PM. Reason : v]

3/22/2009 9:09:06 PM

well, mainly because I like coarsely ground pepper. and the shit that comes out of a shaker is generally fine as hell.

3/22/2009 10:02:00 PM

pepper SHOULD have more holes, but doesnt always

3/22/2009 10:03:42 PM

^^ and when have you ever seen chefs cook with anything other than fresh ground pepper?

3/22/2009 10:11:28 PM

...you arent in the culinary profession

3/22/2009 10:14:08 PM

but I do enjoy cooking and good food

and obviously if professional chefs use fresh ground, then it is better

and i prefer fresh ground pepper

[Edited on March 22, 2009 at 10:20 PM. Reason : a]

3/22/2009 10:19:55 PM

its because they know people like the words "Fresh" and "Ground"

so of course they would spend extra money on buzz words

3/22/2009 10:22:09 PM

Coarse pepper sucks, why would I want to be chewing my pepper

3/22/2009 10:23:42 PM

^^ peppercorns for my grinder are in no way more expensive than the pepper you put in your shaker

and the flavor is definitely better. it is like saying that dried oregano is the same as fresh.

[Edited on March 22, 2009 at 10:31 PM. Reason : a]

3/22/2009 10:30:38 PM

it is the same just a lil less water

3/22/2009 10:32:54 PM

and a lot less flavor

you can't seriously make an argument that dried herbs are just as good a fresh

3/22/2009 10:39:36 PM

why did this thread get so long?

3/22/2009 10:49:35 PM

my salt and pepper shakers are two halves of a fish. each has two holes

the pepper is in the tail because i was trying to decide and i decided the black/brown should come out the ass end

3/22/2009 10:54:19 PM

3/22/2009 10:58:46 PM

come on bighit, use your brain. the pepper flavor comes piperine and various terpenes which are released when the peppercorns are ground and can evaporate and are otherwise degraded by exposure to heat, light and moisture. so cracked pepper has a lot more flavor gram for gram.

3/22/2009 11:02:49 PM

use your brain


there aint no difference, pepper goes on steak....STEAK

put some dry pepper and some fresh pepper on two diff steaks and feed em to me and i wont know the difference

BUZZ WORDS

3/22/2009 11:04:19 PM

pepper has more holes

3/22/2009 11:36:17 PM

salt has more holes

3/22/2009 11:36:47 PM

your mom has more holes

3/22/2009 11:37:49 PM

I too have sucked Ragged's dick for money

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

[Edited on March 22, 2009 at 11:41 PM. Reason : the more you know, nicklepickle]

3/22/2009 11:40:53 PM

ohhhhhhhhhh. sick burn dude

3/22/2009 11:42:00 PM

look here kunta.

i wasn't talking to you

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

3/22/2009 11:42:32 PM

steak au poivre is only made with cheap cuts of meat


and it is definitely better when it is made with coarse, fresh cracked black pepper

3/23/2009 12:41:43 AM

wut

3/23/2009 12:43:28 AM

Quote :

"salt has fewer holes because it flows out of the shaker easier than pepper."

3/23/2009 9:05:44 AM

Salt has less holes.

3/23/2009 9:10:49 AM

I am amazed no one has posted this yet

3/23/2009 9:14:48 AM

salt flows easier than pepper, therefore there should be less open space for it to flow through. pepper should have more holes because it is harder to get out of the shaker.


I don't use a salt or pepper shaker. i sprinkle salt by hand, and grind pepper.

3/23/2009 9:19:09 AM

Quote :

"depends on if they are doped with n or p type material"

3/23/2009 9:22:08 AM

The absolutely historically correct answer is that the salt shaker has more holes.
(The further back in history you look, the more likely the salt shaker will have more holes)
That being said, it makes much more sense for the pepper to have more holes.
It's a "stupid tradition vs. what makes sense" debate.

Quote :

"I don't use a salt or pepper shaker. i sprinkle salt by hand, and grind pepper."

I do it all. I shake, grind, sprinkle and pour.
Shit, I've got one of these full of salt:

3/23/2009 9:26:01 AM

i use a salt grinder and a pepper grinder

3/23/2009 9:27:04 AM

^^ That doesn't make any sense if you know the history of salt and how expensive it once was.

[Edited on March 23, 2009 at 9:27 AM. Reason : .]

3/23/2009 9:27:22 AM

I prefer the pepper shaker to have more holes.

The reason being, salt can ruin food quicker.

3/23/2009 9:30:09 AM

i have always put salt in the one with fewer holes. this is how my entire family does it. and it's because salt comes out easier than pepper, and we all like a lot of pepper on our food, but not much salt (both for taste and health reasons). but apparently we're doing it wrong...

Quote :

"Go to an actual source — say, the people who have been making Lenox china since 1889 — and they'll tell you that, when there is a difference, the salt shaker has more holes. "

http://www.ochef.com/1127.htm

Quote :

"7 holes for salt and 3 for pepper"

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009XQB6/ref=asc_df_B00009XQB6749440?tag=the004-20&creative=380337&creativeASIN=B00009XQB6&linkCode=asn

3/23/2009 9:30:34 AM

what a debate

3/23/2009 9:31:10 AM

Quote :

"The reason being, salt can ruin food quicker."

This was always my main reason.
Too much pepper?...hardly possible. Too much salt?.... food ruined.

Quote :

"That doesn't make any sense if you know the history of salt and how expensive it once was"

Huh.... I wonder if it cost more than black pepper. (by volume)

Quote :

"salt grinder"

I've got a couple of those. (Note: salt grinders have plastic or ceramic grinding mechanisms. Do not use a pepper grinder that has a metal grinding mechanism for grinding salt -- it will rust.)

3/23/2009 9:36:43 AM

^ At some points in history it was.



Interesting book worth picking up.

3/23/2009 9:38:47 AM

3/23/2009 10:07:43 AM

I have high blood pressure, so I have to watch the salt intake

3/23/2009 10:09:21 AM

Quote :

"The absolutely historically correct answer is that the salt shaker has more holes. (The further back in history you look, the more likely the salt shaker will have more holes)"

cite your source please

3/23/2009 11:19:30 AM

I put a metric fuckton of salt on my food

I shake it like Hercules in the nutty professor movies

Lots of pepper too

Most meals, I'm double fisting both shakers for a good 8-10 seconds before I begin to dine

3/23/2009 11:20:47 AM

might be something you dont want to tell ppl

3/23/2009 11:22:24 AM

i just put the salt in the shaker that i like the best b/c i never use pepper. i have a set of white porcelain koi shakers and they're in different positions.

3/23/2009 11:31:57 AM

Quote :

"salt has fewer holes because it flows out of the shaker easier than pepper."

I agree with this statement.

3/23/2009 11:34:34 AM

Clearly they need an ISO 9000 standard. No more of this proprietary shaker nonsense.

3/23/2009 12:14:27 PM

never thought this thread would cause such a fuss

3/23/2009 12:26:04 PM

Quote :

"come on bighit, use your brain. the pepper flavor comes piperine and various terpenes which are released when the peppercorns are ground and can evaporate and are otherwise degraded by exposure to heat, light and moisture. so cracked pepper has a lot more flavor gram for gram."

Winner.

Freshly ground pepper is flat out better than old pepper. There's no way you can question this. There are chemicals on the skin of the peppercorn that react with the chemicals inside it. They react, they taste good, then the taste fades away.

Plus, half of that shit in the pre-ground pepper is probably sawdust, anyway.

3/23/2009 1:05:20 PM

^^ lol WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

3/23/2009 7:50:35 PM

set em up

3/23/2009 8:00:21 PM