something good like this would never happen to NCSU

4/2/2009 11:19:57 PM

Can someone please tell me how to get to statefansnation comments that are not on the first page. the second and third page links do jack squat when you click on them. Do I have to have a login?

4/2/2009 11:21:18 PM

I am currently praying beyond all hope.

4/2/2009 11:21:37 PM

i cant help but think of the stonecutters when i hear about Board-of-Trustees meetings

4/2/2009 11:22:24 PM

Apparently its just a kick in the nuts rumor.

4/2/2009 11:35:07 PM

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"Apparently its just a kick in the nuts rumor."

4/2/2009 11:40:24 PM

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"Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do! We do!"

4/2/2009 11:42:05 PM

obligatory

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"RUMORS AND BULLSHIT"

4/2/2009 11:54:00 PM

Mods haven't said anything on PackPride premium. Who knows if this is bullshit or not.

4/2/2009 11:54:21 PM

Everyone knows this is bullshit

4/3/2009 12:03:28 AM

At first I was

Then I was

4/3/2009 12:05:03 AM

this shit is all over.

i'm starting to believe it.

4/3/2009 12:05:11 AM

mods on packpride said there was no official meeting tonight and that fowler should be in detroit for the final four

4/3/2009 12:07:03 AM

they don't know shit.

4/3/2009 12:09:24 AM

THIS MEETING IS ABOUT:

4/3/2009 12:11:24 AM

4/3/2009 12:14:59 AM

ah there's that hope peeking through again

enter fantasy delusions of grandeur

4/3/2009 12:27:15 AM

So if this were to happen, when would anybody know about it?

4/3/2009 12:33:43 AM

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"enter fantasy delusions of grandeur"

firing lee fowler is not, at all, a "delusion of grandeur".

4/3/2009 12:34:24 AM

^^who knows? This apparently came out of thin fucking air, and who knows if its even true.

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 12:36 AM. Reason : sdfds]

4/3/2009 12:34:26 AM

^ the people who are spreading this rumor are saying that there have been rumblings for a couple of weeks now, and tonight it blew up.

WE'LL SEE. either way this is exciting, amirite??

4/3/2009 12:35:56 AM

If it were true, I would think it would have been reported by a reputable media outlet by now.

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 12:36 AM. Reason : ]

4/3/2009 12:36:17 AM

^^^^of course not, i was more thinking the fantasy scenarios that people have started dreaming out about a massive upheaval, Fowler and Lowe gone, Rick Barnes or Sean Miller or some nonsense coming here, players recommitting, happily ever after

^actually SFN was the first to report on the definite Herb leaving back in the day, before anybody else

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 12:37 AM. Reason : ]

4/3/2009 12:36:54 AM

^^well, i think if they just had a meeting tonight, then the media wouldnt really know about it yet....until our administration comes out with a media release/press conference

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 12:38 AM. Reason : sdsf]

4/3/2009 12:37:09 AM

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"well, i think if they just had a meeting tonight, then the media wouldnt really know about it yet"

Not that this is anywhere near the scale of the Calipari/UK media orgy of the past week, but these type of things tend to get out quickly.

4/3/2009 12:38:26 AM

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"I would lose my mind. Sid has a TOP 20 RECRUITING CLASS AND IS NOT DONE RECRUITING. If he gets canned say hello to last place finishes in the ACC for the next 3-5 years. Gillespie will run this program into the ground. If we were to can Sid now after throwing him into the awful position that he was put in to then I would be ashamed to be a Wolfpack fan. You do not do that to one of your own."

I'm really surprised at how defensive the people on PP are of Sidney. Is it because most of them are older and actually witnessed the 83 champs team and don't want to can him?

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 12:43 AM. Reason : VV Because they are saying Lowe is going with him?]

4/3/2009 12:39:13 AM

or are you just surprised more people dont share your view regarding him?

4/3/2009 12:40:12 AM

Why did packboozie post that here?

4/3/2009 12:41:51 AM

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"firing lee fowler is not, at all, a "delusion of grandeur"."

canning lee fowler is actually defined as having "delusions of regulardeur"


because he is right now causing us to have visions of inferiordeur

4/3/2009 12:41:56 AM

if we lose sidney lowe, we will not have a basketball team next year. it'll be worse than when herb left.

4/3/2009 12:42:11 AM

He's got next year from me and if we are still 10th or worse then can him. How many times do I have to say that?

4/3/2009 12:42:22 AM

well maybe if fowler gets canned, you can take his place and make these decisions

4/3/2009 12:43:25 AM

Lowe is a very touchy situation, given what has been outlined, his 'sentimental' status to many, the absolute shitty situation he was thrown into by just trying to help, etc

I would say if anything were to happen to Lowe, (which I very seriously doubt) he would at least stay on in some coaching capacity for a while longer because the situation does need to be handled delicately

Fowler on the other hand, is a very black and white case. He has no special love for this university, it's just another job, and we certainly have no love for him or his [lack of] results.

4/3/2009 12:44:15 AM

Actually if I were in charge, I would go straight to Boone and hire Charlie Cobb.

He's an alum, played football here, and has the best 1-AA athletic program in the country.

4/3/2009 12:44:39 AM

seriously guys, don't turn this thread into another fucking sidney lowe thread. This is about Fowler and his possible firing

4/3/2009 12:44:49 AM

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"If he gets canned say hello to last place finishes in the ACC for the next 3-5 years. Gillespie will run this program into the ground."

right, because we haven't finished 11th, 12th and 10th in the ACC the past 3 years. This is not to say that we should fire Lowe or hire Gillespie but I have a hard time believing we could be much worse off than we are

4/3/2009 12:46:27 AM

So can someone describe in no specific detail what these sources are saying? They know a guy? They were there? They saw Fowler browsing monster.com?

--

And shut the fuck up about Lowe. Go to the Lowe thread, that's why it's there.

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 12:47 AM. Reason : ]

4/3/2009 12:47:10 AM

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"seriously guys, don't turn this thread into another fucking sidney lowe thread. This is about Fowler and his possible firing"

actually my good man, it's about both.

4/3/2009 12:48:17 AM

what

4/3/2009 12:48:46 AM

the rumor is that it's more than just fowler.

4/3/2009 12:49:15 AM

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"Events of the past couple of weeks or so that may have impacted what’s going on now: - 5 Star 2010 Prospect C.J. Leslie decommits from NC State - Seth Curry, a possible NC State pick-up, goes to neighboring Duke instead - Calipari leaves Memphis for UK, highlighting our coaching search 3 years ago - Wolfpack prospects Cousins and Wall essentially re-open recruitment after (basically) choosing Memphis originally - Wall meets with Coach K after having not had a previous offer from Duke - Brown, Howell, and Wood sign LOIs to NCSU, making it more difficult for them to decommit from the University - First, theres Tim Floyd to AZ…with rumors of Jamie Dixon to USC…followed by highly-touted, perspective future NCSU coach Sean Miller to Pitt… - THEN there are rumors of Miller to AZ… All these events…while many of them appear to be separate happenings at face value…had SOME related impact to NCSU Basketball in their own way…Maybe…JUST maybe, this created a Perfect Storm over the past 48 hours…"

musings I found interesting in the SFN comments, there have been quite a series of unfortunate events in the past months

4/3/2009 12:50:06 AM

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"Brown, Howell, and Wood sign LOIs to NCSU, making it more difficult for them to decommit from the University "

Not difficult at all. Wouldn't be surprised to see them (and Harrow) peace out if Sid goes.

4/3/2009 12:51:50 AM

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"Brown, Howell, and Wood sign LOIs to NCSU, making it more difficult for them to decommit from the University"

id find it hard to believe that there is not a clause in their LOI(just like in Xavier Henry's) that stated they would be let out of their LOI if Sidney was fired.

4/3/2009 12:53:12 AM

that's why I don't think Sid's going anywhere

He was clearly a failure on the part of fowler, considering he wasn't our first, or second, or third choice

but the jury is still out and as we have all said, before anything should even be considered regarding Sid we need to have someone settled in and in control at AD, or else the mess would be exponentially worse

(the only way he would be out was if we had as well as canning jed somehow secretly landed some grandslam huge coach that would draw them all back - i.e. the delusions of grandeur)

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 12:58 AM. Reason : ]

4/3/2009 12:54:11 AM

Yeah I think that would be the ideal course

Kick Fowler out with a quickness, give Sid another year or two to see if he can turn things around, go from there

4/3/2009 12:56:08 AM

Has anyone coined the nickname Lee Failure, yet?

Can I do that now?

4/3/2009 12:56:43 AM

go for it, I think SFN has 'Fowlup' though

4/3/2009 12:57:58 AM

Sentimentality has no place in sports. At fucking all. Save that shit for your family. Sports at the college level is a business. Coaches are paid to perform to raise the profile of the school. Programs that perform better are better funded, thus the schools are better funded, and the quality of education for the general student improves.

There is a monetary reward for positive performance. It's not imaginary. When NC State has to cut 350 jobs and cut back on class sizes next year due to budget constraints, wouldn't it be nice if the Athletic Department could soften that blow by kicking in some loot? At the state that it is in, under Lee Fowler's reign, that'll never happen.

Sure, give Lowe another year, because he hasn't run us into the ground completely and he's not halfway through his contract yet, but that's the only reason why. The fact that he played on the 83 team doesn't and shouldn't mean a fucking thing, especially if he's not winning games. Some people were not cut out to coach, and at this point, Lowe hasn't proven himself to not be one of those people. If he stands in the same position next year, cut his ass loose.

But this thread is not about Lowe, it's about fuck-up-fowler.

We wouldn't be having this conversation at all if Fowler hadn't fucked up the 2006 Coaching search - and from all signs, is fucking up the 2009 Women's search. He has systematically neutered the NC State Athletic Department's ability to contribute to the school. That is no easy feat at a DI school. It's well past time for him to leave.

4/3/2009 12:58:36 AM

Is SFN's comment pagination broken or is just me? I hate this stupid site.

4/3/2009 1:00:55 AM

^^Great post. I agree with every point you made.

[Edited on April 3, 2009 at 1:01 AM. Reason : ^Nobody has commented in over an hour now there so maybe]

4/3/2009 1:00:56 AM