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4/7/2009 10:41:28 PM

^still 0 though.

4/7/2009 10:41:49 PM

4/7/2009 10:43:18 PM

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"Suicide is selfish."

Whatever helps you cope. I'm pretty sure they don't really care what you think. They're dead.

Kudos to the dude that laid down the plastic, though. It's really tough to clean blood stains.

4/7/2009 10:52:24 PM

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" In the fall of '07, I tried to off myself with maximum strength Tylenol and Vodka one night. When I awoke the next morning, all I could taste and smell was acetaminophen. I didn't want to eat for three days and all I wanted to do on that day was sleep. My roommate said he saw me in a awkward position, like I was dead, before he went to class. Later, he found my suicide note and cried."

Were you not seriously ill or anything? I did this too, and along with not being able to eat and just sleeping all day, I was violently vomiting for about a week straight. I was in a really bad place but thankfully I've gotten out of that type of severe depression.

4/7/2009 10:54:13 PM

A little over 10 years ago, I unsuccessfully (obviously) tried to kill myself. It was after a long battle w/ depression and insomnia. I ended up spending quite a bit of time in treatment. But I had someone tell me just how selfish sucide was and that has stuck with me and keeps me truckin' through the hard times.

4/7/2009 10:56:05 PM

I've known 2, both shot themselves.

One of those was a friend of mine. Happened Sept 12, 2008. Fiance and I were having dinner at EV and had just gotten our meal when we got a call from my s-i-l saying our friend was dead. We immediately packed our things and went to my bro & s-i-l's house. All the way there I was certain that he didn't do anything to himself. "There's no way," I kept saying to Justin. I was certain he probably drank too much alone, and died of alcohol poisoning.

Unfortunately when we arrived, my s-i-l screamed through her tears that he did in fact kill himself. His girlfriend had broken up with him earlier in the week, he hadn't heard back from any jobs he applied for, and was feeling low. But that just wasn't the person we knew, and no one thought he would result to this. In a way though, alcohol did kill him...he was on a 2 day binge (and probably hadn't slept at all--he was a bit of an insomniac) and the end result was him shooting himself. All close to him are certain this is what happened.

All he left behind was a disturbing facebook status. He's still in my cell phone, and when I start to type certain e-mail addresses his automatically comes up. I miss him a lot, and wish he was here. Whenever I get together with my brother and his friends now, it doesn't feel the same.

We spread his ashes in November in the mountains.

[Edited on April 7, 2009 at 10:57 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2009 10:56:47 PM

What was the fb status?

4/7/2009 10:58:01 PM

4/7/2009 10:58:31 PM

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"Were you not seriously ill or anything? I did this too, and along with not being able to eat and just sleeping all day, I was violently vomiting for about a week straight. I was in a really bad place but thankfully I've gotten out of that type of severe depression."

No, no violent vomiting or any of that. Apparently, it was a miracle I survived with no repercussions. I don't drink alcohol out of fear of instant cirrhosis.

4/7/2009 10:59:47 PM

^^^
**** is an inveterate fuckup and tired of his own shit.

i hate that it only took me a millisecond to remember that he put it up at 12:00 ish on Sept 12, and est time of death was 12:30...his grandfather found him around 3:00.




i just remembered another...a murder suicide in my hometown. kid was 15 and shot his sister's 18 yr old bf, then turned the gun on himself.

there was also an attempt by a friend's father--tried to OD.

[Edited on April 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM. Reason : ^]

4/7/2009 11:03:47 PM

Oh wow.

Sorry.

4/7/2009 11:09:40 PM

AN HERO

4/7/2009 11:14:55 PM

it's ok. it's easier now...and i don't mind talking about it.

i do admit i am super sensitive to others now when it comes to tragic events or when people are down on themselves. i'm constantly wanting to reach out and make sure people are okay when things go wrong in their lives...

i don't ever want a person that i'm that close to do something like that again. i know that's nothing i can fully control and i have to accept that, but i do think to myself, "what if i called him as soon as i found out they broke up...would he still be here??" but, i think that's only natural to feel that way...

4/7/2009 11:14:58 PM

I can remember two off the top of my head:

First was my high school principal. He was having an affair with a teacher and she found out she was pregnant. He knew his wife would find out so he wrote a really detailed suicide note about how he had several affairs and was sorry. He hanged himself in his basement. His 8 year old son found him.

The second was my cousin's baby daddy. He was bipolar and didn't have enough money to afford his medicine. So he wrote his will and testament in his blog on myspace, left his myspace status as "I'm tired of feeling like this. Please forgive me." Ironically, he offer himself by ODing on the medication he had left.

[Edited on April 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM. Reason : Hehe]

4/7/2009 11:37:26 PM

Zero

And I think it's selfish to say suicide is selfish.

4/7/2009 11:51:28 PM

About 5 years ago my "little brother" OD'd on purpose. We were never sure why, but he was a pretty regular user and knew his drugs so he wasn't just being stupid and experimenting. Apparently there were some unsolved issues in his life at that point he just couldn't face. He was the youngest kid in my neighborhood growing up that always wanted to tag along with the big boys playing baseball and riding bikes and whatnot. It was always strange seeing him grow up from that kid into someone who was probably considerably popular at school, a soccer star, and someone who wasn't tagging along at all anymore. Unfortunately, I think he saw that because of certain decisions he'd made, he was going to be stuck in our hometown for awhile after HS, and his glory days were over. I never could get over him still being that innocent little kid who wanted to be one of the big boys, though.

I listened to "Say Hello to Heaven" by Soundgarden on a loop for about an hour I think.

4/8/2009 12:04:07 AM

I've known many people who killed themselves, several with guns and others with more "creative" ways.

The "closest" suicide I know was a guy I had known since middle school who burned himself to death. He did it during my Senior year at HS, walked out into his front yard, poured gasoline all over himself and took a lighter to his body, right in front of his little brother as I seem to recall. He was a good kid, I think his dad wrote or is writing a book about him.

Quote :

"Suicide is selfish. Period."

I highly disagree. Someone who has the will to off himself is in a really wrecked state-of-mind, they see it as their only solution to a hopeless situation. People say that suicide is selfish because they hate the guilty feeling they get when it affects them. But to truly understand what that person is going through is a completely different thing. Perhaps you could say its cowardly and I'd agree with you, but then again, it really depends on the person/situation.

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 12:12 AM. Reason : ]

4/8/2009 12:10:51 AM

^ Did you go to Cary High?

4/8/2009 12:13:10 AM

^^she said she did try to kill herself. Anyway, she is just spouting off a cliche -- debating why a cliche doesn't apply to all situations is pointless.

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

4/8/2009 12:14:20 AM

^^ yup

4/8/2009 12:16:45 AM

^I didn't know the exact details behind the suicide. Damn.

4/8/2009 12:18:28 AM

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"Also a friend of a friends father offed himself last year in a pretty horrific way. Did it with his table saw. He laid a lot of plastic and shit down though to make it neat and easy for them to clean up. Pretty twisted that he thought of that, but still thought that laying on a saw blade was the best way to deal with the situation."

I also recall this happening, very gruesome.

4/8/2009 1:21:47 AM

no one I personally know. But I thought about it seriously a few times. Luckily now I'm on meds for being bipolar and I no longer feel like that.

4/8/2009 1:32:22 AM

antijester OD'd on purpose

Stilletto took a drive to the beach with his little asian suicide pistol

duchess commited suicide by getting in the car with a drunk at the wheel

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 1:35 AM. Reason : d]

4/8/2009 1:34:27 AM

Specter,

Was that at the the end of the summer in '03?

I went to Cary, and I recall hearing about that at the beginning of school. I was a freshman in an Art class with a bunch of seniors, and I remember it being pretty hard on them. I sat with two senior girls, who were good friends with him, and they were always really nice to me. I really appreciated that as a freshman in a high school where I didn't know many people

That really sent shockwaves through the school. Only time I remember our school being that collectively sad was when Kassel Smit passed in that car crash.

4/8/2009 1:51:10 AM

Quote :

""Say Hello to Heaven" by Soundgarden"

"Say Hello to Heaven" is by Temple of the Dog

4/8/2009 2:21:26 AM

Quote :

"Suicide is selfish."

nah, i think it's more of a cowardly thing for the typical TWW, "woe is me" emo suicide bullshit. I have nothing but contempt for them and the people who are all defensive and shit about it. It takes a shitty person to do that to your friends and family.

exceptions are situations where a guy is out of work and his family is starving, and he wraps his car around a tree to get his family the insurance money, or a guy falls on a grenade or some shit in a war.

4/8/2009 7:41:53 AM

^^^ I remember that like it was yesterday, a girl I had just started dating was supposed to be with him that day.

My brother was best friends with Tyson Whittington's sister, his death was really hard for a lot of people.

4/8/2009 8:28:46 AM

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4/8/2009 8:33:51 AM

i think that opinions on whether suicide is a selfish act or not changes depending on who the person was that killed themselves, the people left behind, and their relationship with that person. and i don't think it's right, or very sensitive, for anyone outside of the victims' circle to say it was selfish or not. but that's only my opinion after being in the victims' circle...before that i thought it was a selfish act as well.

then again...maybe i'm just in denial.

4/8/2009 8:45:44 AM

there was a girl in high school that had a lot of mental and emotional problems...got her act together and went to college. Got involved with drugs in college, started stealing $$$ from parents to buy drugs. they were trying to get her into rehab and she shot herself in their basement.

4/8/2009 8:53:34 AM

one.

a guy who lived across the hall from me in Tucker 00-01 killed himself in 02. I do not remember or was never told the details. He was probably a tdubber, and i am positive there is someone here who knows more about it.

4/8/2009 9:18:50 AM

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"Only time I remember our school being that collectively sad was when Kassel Smit passed in that car crash."

Kassel and I were supposed to do a comedy show that year.

4/8/2009 10:38:36 AM

looks like you missed it

4/8/2009 11:32:44 AM

4/8/2009 11:38:40 AM

i can understand in some situations where suicide seems selfish, but don't try telling someone who is suicidal that. it's not about you and the fact that you make it about yourself only adds to the trouble.

just sayin. and no i'm not suicidal.

4/8/2009 11:55:54 AM

I went to middle school in St. Louis, Missouri, but before my freshman year I moved to West Virginia to live with my dad. When I got there I was quite surprised to hear that about 4 boys from the middle school had committed suicide, all at various times in the previous year, and seemingly unconnected.

Anyway it came out during my freshman year that the middle school principle had been molesting boys at the school. There were several who came forward. Later, people started putting the pieces together that there was a really good chance that some/all of the suicides could have been due to the principle, although nobody could of course prove anything.

4/8/2009 12:53:43 PM

I have been shot, stabbed, poisoned, frozen, hung, electrocuted and burned.

4/8/2009 1:05:17 PM

one guy from my HS was a few years older than me, he went to State, seemed to be on the fast track to the top at the bank, then lost that job, and was fired from the 3 other big banks within a year, one night he just took a bunch of sleeping pills

the bad part is he called 911 after he took them, but he died before they got there

4/8/2009 1:09:57 PM

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"i think that opinions on whether suicide is a selfish act or not changes depending on who the person was that killed themselves, the people left behind, and their relationship with that person. and i don't think it's right, or very sensitive, for anyone outside of the victims' circle to say it was selfish or not. but that's only my opinion after being in the victims' circle...before that i thought it was a selfish act as well. then again...maybe i'm just in denial."

I don't think you're in denial. I think that, as with so many other aspects of life (and cutting it short), it's entirely subjective and relative. Those who say "selfish" without batting an eye might not know what it's like to try to live with the utter hopelessness and despair that stems from severe depression...but then a lot of people who fall into this category seem highly apt to claim that such depression is a joke, and that the sufferer can just "snap out of it" if he or she chooses to do so. That's baloney.

Those who say "not selfish" exclusively may have not experienced the horrible effects it has on loved ones, family, friends...this kind of experience often devastates those close to the person for many years.

I've known a few: my uncle's wife (aunt by marriage) committed suicide several years ago...she left a daughter and son behind; both have been extremely traumatized by the experience, and both now have criminal records and a long history of trouble. My uncle had an extremely hard time dealing with it, going from being relatively stable to bouts of depression and anger, and even made an attempt himself.

I just learned a month or two ago from an old friend (found through facebook) that one of our mutual best friends committed suicide four years ago after being left right before his wedding. It didn't come as a huge surprise to me unfortunately; I remember an incident right after we graduated when I had a party at my folks' house...he kept us up all night while he was on the phone with his girlfriend, ranting and crying. He got so mad that he went outside and punched the patio...and totally wrecked his hand. Last night, I saw this thread, and I thought of him...and found his obituary in the N&O's listings. It's sad, because he was an unnecessarily self-tortured soul. Medication might have helped him. It has helped me tremendously.

4/8/2009 1:55:13 PM

None - as I only sorround myself with quality, well adjusted people.

4/8/2009 2:20:22 PM