I have no idea what people are saying when they are saying it a difference between rap and hip-hop, hip-hop is a form of rap, just as west-coast music and down-south music are also forms of rap, and in addition to this gangsta rap is a form of rap. There are many forms of rap. Get it right people.

4/9/2009 4:29:18 PM

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"the correct answer to this thread is, rap was never good. Both it and hip hop are meant for functional retards and people who can literally have any cultural phenomenon shoved down their throats."

fuck off.


you couldnt think of that shit, and even if you did, you couldnt put it to a beat and make it sound good. its sad that people cant even respect what is good about rap/hip hop whether they like it or not. yeah theres a bunch of commercial shitty rap music but you can say the same for EVERY OTHER GENRE.

^ i consider a group like tribe called quest "hip hop" and someone like biggie smalls "rap."

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2009 4:41:45 PM

^hahaha

I love that, yeah I must just be misinformed about rap, must've missed it's eloquence and more subtle nuances somewhere along the way. Or perhaps I'm just not 'real' enough to have discovered the secret, hard-hitting and TRUE rap that's out there.

I mean, we can't all be as genuine and thug as you


ignorant motherfucker

4/9/2009 4:58:30 PM

i guess we cant you fucking faggot

go ahead and post my pic anywhere you want, id post yours (not really) but youre too much of a cum streaming pussy to put one up.


[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 5:15 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2009 5:12:42 PM

dude, you are the one sounding like an "ignorant motherfucker"

just b/c you are not a fan doesnt mean it sucks. i dont listen to metal...at all / but i dont think it sucks...its just not my style

if you think Aquemini by OutKast is shitty then you really are misinformed

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 5:13 PM. Reason : response is to Mulva]

4/9/2009 5:13:29 PM

or atliens

I CANT LISTEN TO RAP BECAUSE IM WHITE ONLY THUGS LISTEN TO RAP

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2009 5:15:07 PM

Lol, both of you tuff guys ganging up on the non-thug, eh? And I see you edited your posts to make them even MORE badass. You guys are fucking cool, and you have AWESOME taste in music. Outkast? Oh yeah, I'm in awe of your vast range of musical knowledge

4/9/2009 6:02:26 PM

yeah. Outkast is an exception. all of their albums are really solid. ATLiens was my favorite from them. possibly Aquemini is equal to ATLiens.

4/9/2009 6:19:45 PM

Quote :

"I have no idea what people are saying when they are saying it a difference between rap and hip-hop, hip-hop is a form of rap, just as west-coast music and down-south music are also forms of rap, and in addition to this gangsta rap is a form of rap. There are many forms of rap. Get it right people."

There really seemed to be a break at some point during the gangsta rap area when rappers referred to their trade as rap and the folks that werent rapping about killing cops referred to their art as hip hop.

Could you honestly see yourself calling The Chronic or Doggystyle or anything from Ice Cube hip hop? Or something from Diggable Planets as rap?

I guess it goes back to the lifestyle comment, I just can't call the style of music coming out of those that don't really live the hip hop lifestyle hip hop.

Nonetheless, there just doesn't seem to be a real consensus on what the terms mean. If you don't think they have evolved, you haven't paid attention.

Just do a search in google of hip hop vs rap and see what I am talking about.

Or just look at the wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music
and notice how for the 1990s all the "rappers" keep getting referred to as rappers and the music as rap, then in the next paragraph they refer to De La Soul and Gang Starr as hip hop artists.

4/9/2009 6:34:52 PM

^that's a huge fail

I literally don't understand how you and the person you're arguing with aren't saying exactly the same thing

4/9/2009 6:39:17 PM

Dude, I'm not paying attention to you, I haven't read a thing you've said since you attempted to troll with your first post. I'm scanning over your shit like you're the runt without a tit to suck on.

4/9/2009 6:44:44 PM

^so you're putting myself in your shoes

4/9/2009 6:45:40 PM

Digable Planets Blowout Comb album was a classic ...

4/9/2009 6:59:34 PM

I was on 64 between Plymouth and Columbia today, and one of the random stations that I could pick up played Fresh Prince's "Summertime".

It's still good.

4/9/2009 8:04:32 PM

bust a nut inside your eye, to show you where i come from

4/10/2009 12:34:28 AM

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"peak of rap = Busta Rhymes - ELE"

I was actually going to list that as one of the last good rap albums i could remember

and I was very disappointed with E.L.E.

4/10/2009 12:48:45 AM

most good rap sold the fuck out. wu-tang won't even put anything good out anymore

it definitely started going downhill in the late 90s and didn't really die till about the time jay-z decided to "retire"

4/10/2009 12:50:52 AM

^ Yeah but Meth still does

4:21 ranks high on the list of great albums that you never heard

4/10/2009 12:52:51 AM

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"like you're the runt without a tit to suck on."

haha

4/10/2009 12:56:38 AM

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"4:21 ranks high on the list of great albums that you never heard"

2 falsities with that. I love Meth, he's a very good rapper, but 4:21 wasn't a great album. It was good, but no where near tical or judgement day (which made references to the genre dying)

4/10/2009 1:00:59 AM

4:21 sucked balls ... there were like 2 good songs on it. I have it. it sucked balls.



back to studying now .......

4/10/2009 1:11:43 AM

TI used to be a good rapper, he sold out.

4/10/2009 1:28:22 AM

was it ever really that good?

4/10/2009 1:36:14 AM

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"4:21 sucked balls ... there were like 2 good songs on it. I have it. it sucked balls. "

I disagree. You all can have your opinions, and I respect that, but Meth's stuff is not being played much because he is old school.

4/10/2009 11:50:09 PM

hiphop died when ___________________________.

4/11/2009 2:38:45 PM

listen to Joe Budden- "who"

it's the answer to this question.

4/11/2009 2:46:23 PM

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"Rap goes down hill the minute you grow up"

4/11/2009 2:50:16 PM

that joe budden's record is good.

4/11/2009 3:08:35 PM

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"if you think Aquemini by OutKast is shitty then you really are misinformed"

I'm apparently misinformed, because that song along with the rest of rap or hip hop or whatever you hard core bad asses call it make dog shit look appetizing.

[Edited on April 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM. Reason : []

4/11/2009 3:29:11 PM

i wasn't impressed by the new Eminem record. its kind of tired.

4/11/2009 11:20:44 PM

tell me that song isn't dope

4/11/2009 11:25:54 PM

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"When Did Rap Go Down Hill ? "

The day it started.

4/11/2009 11:27:02 PM

why does universal music group always keep shit from being embeded?

4/11/2009 11:28:29 PM

INTERSCOPE runs hiphop ... corporations run hiphop. thats when it went down the sh!tter. or you could argue Master P killed hiphop ...

4/12/2009 12:05:03 PM

when did downhill become two words?

4/12/2009 2:41:11 PM

Shawna FTW /Thread

4/12/2009 2:42:39 PM

the best part of this thread was when mulva called someone else ignorant after his posts which were CLEARLY ignorant..


thread gets an A+++ for lolz.

4/12/2009 2:51:40 PM

common still puts out some good stuff

4/12/2009 5:10:16 PM

When it stopped being about the message and started being about the image. Mind you, that this does not only apply to rap.

I think the problem with rap is that at first it was the voice of culture that didn't have access to musical theory. It was primitive by any measure, very basic, almost guttural, in musical structure; but, that wasn't the point.

It had a message to convey and the artists and songwriters voice is paramount in any mid 80s-early 90s rap. While not easy to listen to, most of the "beats" in background were an afterthought, again, not a bad thing.

------------------------------------

Fast forward to today. We have nonsensical lyrics that are more in line with African call and response -- one of the most primitive. They focus more on objectifying woman with clever euphemisms or describing how badass the "singer" is. The "beats" are either sampled and/or consciencely reject 500 years of classical music theory.

The image of the new hip hop culture is being sold to people, en mass. The songwriters are pushed aside to sell the catchy beat, that rarely is original.

Hip-hop made rap transition from art to entertainment in all the worst ways.

This is not to say that there is no good hip-hop, or that rap is the voice of a degenerative culture, or even that its not entertaining. I just personally believe that it no longer has any actual purpose other to entertain, which is contradictory to its origins.

4/12/2009 6:30:33 PM

^

art=entertainment

Quote :

"the correct answer to this thread is, rap was never good. Both it and hip hop are meant for functional retards and people who can literally have any cultural phenomenon shoved down their throats. "

the more you love music, the more music you love

[Edited on April 12, 2009 at 6:52 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2009 6:49:51 PM

4/12/2009 6:53:29 PM

^^ but entertainment =/= art. Which was the entire point of the post.

4/12/2009 7:46:53 PM

^ That describes practically the entirety of pop culture.

4/12/2009 8:00:06 PM

did the South kill hiphop?

4/12/2009 8:53:42 PM

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"When it stopped being about the message and started being about the image. Mind you, that this does not only apply to rap."

Reading is fundamental.

4/12/2009 9:01:17 PM

DL this and you can pinpoint exactly when it went down hill.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/30yearsofhiphop/downloads/jagskills.shtml

4/13/2009 4:34:34 AM

The mix is only downloadable in the UK from the BBC site, this is the link you want:
http://www.zshare.net/download/582906872fc23906/

4/13/2009 4:58:22 AM

I'm at '93 and its still amazing. I've read that 2000 is where it goes to shit.

4/13/2009 5:17:00 AM

there were these things called poems before rap... all rap/hiphop/whatever is, is a fucking poem (a really really bad one most of the time) set to a sample of someone elses music...

shit they use vocoders and auto-pitch now so much any fat slob can do it...

freestyling takes some talent. the majority of everything else in that entire genere does not really

4/13/2009 9:30:40 AM

set em up

4/13/2009 10:08:49 AM