^ yeah, at least more fun.

but..... that's a pretty big spoiler. you're looking at least 2 seasons ahead there

4/23/2009 10:07:14 PM

I did enjoy season two a lot more. But im still holding out hope there are some good surprises coming up, im sure there are though. The things i know - angel comes back (duh) and leaves (duh), willow becomes a with, buffy and spike hook up. The storyline that i really hope develops is oz, they were like hey hes a werewolf then ignored it since. But it does have me hooked.

4/23/2009 11:24:45 PM

I just finished season 3 of Buffy! I love it

4/23/2009 11:44:15 PM

that one computer teacher lady is hot as heck.

4/23/2009 11:45:02 PM

is there really 3 people here who are going through the series for the first time?
dzags18, Metricula, and Nacho?
out of curiosity, why the sudden interest?

[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM. Reason : .]

and Shaggy too?
V - have you seen it?

[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 11:49 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2009 11:47:00 PM

wtg on the spoiler. tho really (its too bad giles didn't get to hit dat)


[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 11:49 PM. Reason : a]

4/23/2009 11:48:02 PM

I've seen both buffy and angel. It just popped into my head and i had to post it.

[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 11:54 PM. Reason : a]

4/23/2009 11:50:51 PM

Just finished Season 2. I was going to go to bed after that but I have to watch at least 3x01 just because of the cliffhanger.

Quote :

"is it safe to assume S2 drew you in more than 1?"

Oh yeah. I actually enjoyed it as opposed to just tolerating it like S1.

Quote :

"out of curiosity, why the sudden interest? "

I've always wanted to watch them, I've just never got around to it. But now I've got a little extra time on my hands and nothing else to watch at the moment. It was either Buffy or all of Battlestar Galactica again, so I decided to watch something I've never seen.

And yeah, I really could have done without knowing the spoiler about Buffy and Spike. I guess it's not the biggest deal, but I do wish people would try to be a little bit considerate in this thread.

4/24/2009 3:00:42 AM

I just needed a new show to watch. I watch ridiculous amounts of tv and typically always have some show playing on the pc while im doing work. Hulu just added seasons 1-3 so that sparked my viewing. Combined with recently starting to watch Dollhouse so I decided to give something else by Joss Whedon.

4/24/2009 6:15:50 AM

theres pretty much nothing on tv these days so peeps gotta get dey fix.

4/24/2009 3:52:53 PM

Okay one thing that has me confused - they say that there is only one slayer in the beginning (although there are more, at least im assuming there are more elsewhere), and that if she dies then she will be replaced. So buffy "dies", kendra replaces her. Then kendra dies and faith replaces her. Does nobody pay attention to the fact that buffy is still alive? Whenever a new slayer shows up they act like its no big deal at all.

4/24/2009 6:56:56 PM

well, the new slayer is somehow called up "automatically" when a slayer dies, kind of a mystical thing. So when Buffy momentarily died, her line ended, and now there is a new line following Kendra and Faith. There are more slayers constantly in training, but one of them is chosen whenever the current slayer dies. They never show the choosing process - it's just assumed that it's kind of one of those things that a slayer "just knows" when it is her turn.

this was kind of my point back on page 1, that it's something you have to overlook - The Watcher's Council, who's only apparent job is to train watchers and monitor the slayer, is incredibly hands off and inept at their job.

But if you overlook that, it's no big deal, really. Technically, Faith is now "the Slayer", but since Buffy is alive again, she is now a Slayer, one of two - still all the same powers and whatnot. Faith's story plays out for another couple seasons, then they basically just go back to focusing on Buffy, and you can more or less view her as the only slayer.

4/24/2009 7:14:03 PM

Oh okay, I had just assumed that there were really multiple slayers out there, each had different areas or something. That was just something I was expecting, but I guess I was wrong

I am liking this season though with a main bad guy and his storyline though I'm not sure how far El Nacho is so I don't want to discuss it too much.

But I don't like Faiths role so far. Shes off and on, why is she not with their group more?

4/24/2009 7:20:39 PM

cause she's a mutha' fuckin' renagade!


nah, you'll like her. well, maybe not personally like the character, but her story lines get crazy.

I know her attitude of "i'm so bad and non-conformist, you'll just have to deal with it" can get annoying, but it plays out well in the end.

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 7:34 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2009 7:28:58 PM

Just finished 3x07.

I like Faith just fine.

4/24/2009 7:56:18 PM

Haha thats awesome I was literally just watching that same episode. But I have to go out to dinner so I stopped halfway through.

4/24/2009 8:19:28 PM

heh. cool.

I just finished "The Wish". That was probably my favorite episode so far. But I like sidetrack-y alternate universe episodes.

4/24/2009 11:38:08 PM

damn, you're really burning through this stuff.

The Wish was good - i like episodes like that too. One of my favorite episodes is in S6 called Tabula Rasa, where all the main characters get their memories erased, and they try to piece together their lives and relationships based on what they're wearing and clues they can find. i guess that's another type of alternate universe story line.

I think you're pretty close to where S3 starts to really ramp up, and there will be some new characters coming that you'll really enjoy. I won't be giving anything away here, but pay attention to Wesley Wyndham-Price when he shows up in a few episodes, and study how his character changes over the years. I think he has one of the most remarkable, yet believable character arcs ever written.

4/24/2009 11:47:58 PM

Mild spoilers for dzags18 if you haven't gotten this far...


So I got to something I don't quite understand. At the end of 3x15 Wesley is trying to carry Faith off to England to be judged and she escaped and went on the run. Then at the start of the next episode, it's like all is forgotten and everything's back to normal.

What's up with that?

4/25/2009 6:03:10 PM

i don't recall exactly - are you sure you're watching them in order. I don't remember a continuity error that big.

check the episode titles here to see if they're in the right order.
http://www.hulu.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer

4/25/2009 6:42:58 PM

Yep. At first I thought I was watching them out of order too, but I checked the episode descriptions on imdb and they match up. 3x15 and 16. At the end of 15 (around 36:00) Faith takes out the watcher guy and forces Wesley to unchain her so she can escape, and at the start of 16 (6:20), she walks in the Library with him like they're bffs.

Wesley's last words to her in 15 are "You can't keep running" which implies ...well that she'd need to keep running. And then nothing.

And now that I've watched the next couple of episodes, this little hole is getting big enough to drive a Mack truck through.

4/25/2009 8:40:52 PM

**** S3 E15 SPOILER ****




ok, just watched those parts again. I guess you have a point, but you kind of skipped over the last part of E15, after Faith escaped. Buffy found her at the dock before she left, then Faith saved Buffy from the Mayor's vamp henchmen. Then, Faith went to talk to the Mayor and "offered her services" to him. Meanwhile, Buffy and Giles were still determined to save her.
So, I guess it is safe to assume that, 1) once Faith decided to be a double agent, she started playing nice with the scooby gang, and 2) Buffy+Giles convinced Wesley to forgive-and-forget. But your overall point still stands - seems like they should have at least given a scene with Faith and Wesley for a re-introduction after she almost killed him.

4/25/2009 9:03:13 PM

Yeah. That's the logical jump to make, and I agree that's probably what happened. It just seems like an awful lot of stuff to just leave for the viewers to have to infer.

But ignoring that, this season is spectacular.

4/25/2009 9:17:42 PM

Just finished Graduation Day. Starting on Angel now. Sawyer (from Lost) is (was) a vampire? heh.

4/26/2009 2:03:48 AM

ha, didn't notice that. He must have been an extra - when I started watching Lost I didn't recognize him from anything else.

Angel S1 is a bit like Buffy S1 - it's not as campy or corny as Buffy S1, but it is pretty much monster of the week stuff. Then in S2 it picks up with the season-long story lines

4/26/2009 8:59:19 AM

what still trips me out is charisma carpenter was 30 when she was on buffy

[Edited on April 26, 2009 at 10:46 AM. Reason : and nothing will ever top the angel series finale]

4/26/2009 10:45:42 AM

Quote :

"every episode [Spike] was in on angel, however, was pure awesome"

After seeing him for the first time on Angel, I have to wholeheartedly agree.

4/26/2009 10:55:13 PM

reminder: what episode was that?
I can only recall a couple of the early episodes spike was in on Angel. .... does it have anything to do with torture?

4/26/2009 11:12:07 PM

Yeah. When Spike was trying to get his ring back. I just liked the opening scene where Spike was watching Angel save the chick from the rooftop and he was giving his MST3K style commentary. It was great. I liked him more from that one scene then I did in all of the first 3 seasons of Buffy.

4/26/2009 11:51:18 PM

haha, just re-watched that scene -
Spike, as the girl talking to Angel: "It's ok, I have a gay nephew"

just remembered some things about Buffy S4. Overall, it's not the strongest season (not up to S2 or 3), but it does have some of the best overall individual episodes. S4 E10 Hush is in probably any fan's top-5 or 3 lists. Supposedly it was a shoo-in for an Emmy for best directing or writing or something, but someone screwed up and didn't submit the episode to the academy in time.
Also, the season finale is amazing, i think. The season ends in a different way than other seasons, and the last episode is pretty much a hilarious mind-bender.

4/28/2009 12:34:58 PM

I got to Hush tonight. It was really good. I'm liking all this Initiative stuff too.

4/29/2009 4:48:18 AM

i never cared for the initiative stuff

4/29/2009 8:00:23 AM

I was wondering why I woke up this morning singing a Collapsis song. So I googled and it turns out there was a Collapsis song in Beer Bad. I don't really know how I didn't really notice that when I watched it though.

but yay Collapsis on Buffy.

4/29/2009 12:46:51 PM

i like The Initiative. It wasn't "the best plotline ever," but I thought it was fun.

but speaking of superlatives, Beer Bad was one of the worst episodes ever, i think....

4/29/2009 1:06:12 PM

i thought the initative wasn't great, but much better than Glory and Dawn

4/29/2009 1:11:25 PM

so if angel was the spinoff, why is it the only thing I see reruns still playing and not buffy?

4/30/2009 7:09:33 AM

what does that have to do with anything?
Why do they still play Fraiser reruns, but not Cheers?

4/30/2009 8:42:05 AM

Just finished Season 4. The finale was ... odd. I didn't really like it at all actually.

As far as the Initiative stuff, I didn't really love that either. When I said I liked it, I was just to the part where they had discovered it, and I liked the idea of the entire frat house being a team of commandos that ran covert-ops out of a secret underground facility underneath their house. Of course nothing can be as it seems on Buffy.

eh.

5/1/2009 4:37:28 PM

yeah, i've actually heard about half-and-half for liking the S4 finale.
It thought it was just a great change of pace, and i liked the surrealism. I thought the dream sequences were very well done and creative.

there are one or two more episodes kind of like it in S6 and 7 i think.

5/1/2009 9:27:15 PM

wait, there are people who don't like Restless? it's like a top-5 episode.

5/1/2009 11:19:08 PM

Not my top 5, that's for sure. It felt too much like a David Lynch movie for my liking. Maybe if I watched it 3-4 more times to figure out all the subtleties and hidden meanings of everything then I'd like it more, but I don't really like being made to feel like I need to study something in order to understand it. I could tell that there was more going on in that episode than the stuff you see at face value, but in the end, I just really didn't care. I did like the cheese slice dude though, cause I'm pretty sure there wasn't a hidden meaning behind that one and he was just some random dude that really liked cheese slices. And that's a cause that I can get behind.

I think when I finish these last 2 episodes of S1 Angel I'm gonna take a break for a week or so. Maybe part of my problem is that I've over-Buffyfied myself.

5/1/2009 11:25:56 PM

you'll appreciate it more after seeing the following seasons. lots of subtle foreshadowing in there

5/1/2009 11:32:31 PM

^^ yeah, Whedon has confirmed several times that there was no hidden message with the cheese guy. he just thought it was funny.

and I did forget about the foreshadowing. rewatching it after just a few episodes of S5 you would pick up on several more things, particularly in the conversations between Buffy and Faith. Then there is the whole numbers game - a lot of numbers thrown out in Buffy's sequence begin countdowns that aren't revealed until season 6. I think their importance, though, were really only significant when the events of all the seasons are watched, or at least interpreted, in "real time." i.e. each season taking a full, literal year to unfold.


Hush (S4), The Body (S5), and Once More With Feeling (S6) are all pretty standard top-5 episodes for most fans. I would definitely add Restless to that list, and some S2/3 episodes like What's My Line 1/2, Surprise/Innocence, and The Zeppo.

5/2/2009 12:03:01 AM

You know, if you're gonna have an episode with a dramatic re-appearance of a major character from seasons past, and you'd like it to be a surprise to people that are watching for the first time, why would you have that character as the central focus of the episode selection screen on the DVD?

I mean, I guess as far as spoilers go, that's pretty low key, but I wouldn't have minded actually having the ability to be surprised at the appropriate times.

5/15/2009 8:44:02 PM

where are you now? What episode?

I'm guessing the people who produce the DVDs aren't really paying attention to that. If Whedon was creating them, it would probably be different.

funny you and others are starting now - A blogger over on TV Squad just started and watched both series straight through and made some posts recently about them. (spoilers, you can tell from the URLs)
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/04/25/jane-after-dark-top-five-buffy-moments/
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/05/10/jane-after-dark-is-angel-as-good-as-buffy/

5/15/2009 9:03:01 PM

she hasn't watched season 5 yet, but all of her issues are resolved in that season, it seems like.

5/15/2009 9:42:01 PM

no, she finished
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/05/14/jane-after-dark-what-should-jane-watch-next/

Quote :

"I've finished Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and I'm nearly done with Angel. I'll post this weekend about season five of Angel. You guys are absolutely right. It's awesome TV."

5/15/2009 9:45:45 PM

Yeah, I read TV Squad too. I've got those bookmarked to read for when I finish up.

Right now I'm watching S04E14 of Angel. After finishing Angel S4, I have S7 of Buffy and S5 of Angel, then I'll be done. I'm not hating S4 as much as most everyone says I would. I've just got to the part where I figure out who the bad guy (girl) of the season is, and Connor is pretty much so as annoying as everyone says he is, but overall I'm not hating it at all. Maybe the 2nd half of the season ends up sucking ass and ruining the whole season overall, but so far I'm enjoying it.

5/15/2009 10:01:53 PM

so, which side do you fall on Buffy S6 - love it (like me) or hate it (like many/most other people, apparently)?

Personally, I think S7 is the worst, except for S1. But lots of people thought it was great

5/15/2009 10:26:38 PM

I didn't hate it. After all the stuff I read about it on here I was expecting to really not like it, but it was alright. Dawn was pretty annoying. It was like now that they got rid of Glory and Dawn no longer had a purpose they didn't really know what to do with that character but just make her whine all the time about how she wasn't a real girl, and nobody wanted to hang out with her and wah wah waaah. I didn't really magic=drugs and drugs are bad Willow plotline. I would have expected Willow to be evil for a little bit longer (although I don't know what happens in S7 yet) and all of that sorta seemed to wrap up a little bit too quickly for my tastes. Overall I liked S6, and I'm looking forward to starting S7 to see the aftermath of everything.

Oh, and as a general rule, I loathe musicals, and I tend to disagree with the popular opinion on things more often than not, but Once More With Feeling was AWESOME.

5/15/2009 10:36:50 PM