PS - whats the penalty?

sounds like im about to start getting arrested for fun again!

5/13/2009 10:13:04 PM

$50 i believe

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM. Reason : no misdemeanor, no court cost, just a $50 fine]

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM. Reason : $200 fine for business owners who don't comply]

5/13/2009 10:13:25 PM

Set Them Up

5/13/2009 10:13:26 PM

HAHHAHAHAH shit i've paid 700 into the seatbelt tax this year

SO THEY CAN HAVE MONEY TO SCRAPE ME OFF THE HIGHWAY OMG OMG OMG

5/13/2009 10:14:10 PM

Quote :

"If the nonsmokers had avoided smoking places in any sort of force the response would have been different, because they're in the majority."

It isn't trolling at all, you motherfuckers have had the right to poison the air for how long now? Guess what...YOU CAN STILL DO THAT...you just have to do it in a way that you and all your health care cost raising buddies can't do it in a way that it infringes on everyone that likes to keep the shit out of their lungs.

I applaud this legislation whole heartedly, about fucking time.

5/13/2009 10:14:41 PM

i hate the health care argument

drinking raises health care costs

being obese raises health care costs

LETS GET RID OF MCDONALDS TOO!!

TELL PEOPLE WHERE TO EAT! WHAT TO FEED THEIR BABIES! EVERYONE HAS TO RUN 5 MILES EVERYDAY OR BE FINED $200 so we don't have to pay for your fatass failing heart!

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2009 10:15:57 PM

if you honestly think smokers have an effect on insurance rates that comes anywhere close to the effect of bonuses and cornercutting in the industry itself, then you should BLAST YOURSELF FOOL

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ^WE HAVE SOME STUFF IN COMMON WANNA DO IT]

5/13/2009 10:15:59 PM

Quote :

"Nothing obligates you to go into a private business. You have a much greater ability to look for other venues than a business owner does."

Thanks to the prisoners dilemma, there aren't other venues.

5/13/2009 10:16:50 PM

unfortunately every bar within walking distance of my house is a walk-in ash tray. hopefully that will change.

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM. Reason : damn this thread is moving fast.]

5/13/2009 10:17:09 PM

^^^yeah, he is just trying to use his own selfish desire to not smell like smoke as justification for the government taking yet another right of the average person/business owner

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ^]

5/13/2009 10:18:03 PM

Quote :

"if you honestly think smokers have an effect on insurance rates that comes anywhere close to the effect of bonuses and cornercutting in the industry itself, then you should BLAST YOURSELF FOOL"

Sure, please show some stats, I'd love to see your detailed research on the matter

Quote :

"yeah, he is just trying to use his own selfish desire to not smell like smoke as justification for the government taking yet another right of the average person/business owner"

And I'm guessing you're hiding behind private property rights because you rather enjoy killing yourself slowly with your cancer stick.

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2009 10:18:25 PM

and shouldn't you have to do the same?

5/13/2009 10:19:16 PM

bitch, im chillin listening to some AWESOME RAD MARCY FUCKING PLAYGROUND

much more important

watch this instead and calm the fuck down ok



video is weak though

5/13/2009 10:19:53 PM

oh and just to clarify i was joking about the seatbelt thing

well i did get a seatbelt ticket in 07 but that was my last time talking to a cop!!1 cause im so law abiding n shit

5/13/2009 10:21:27 PM

haha he is pissed!!




[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM. Reason : x]

5/13/2009 10:22:08 PM

Quote :

"and shouldn't you have to do the same?"

Why should I have to do anything? I made the reasonable assertion, its basically common sense, that smoking (like fatties) causes insurance rates to rise for everyone. I don't think it is common knowledge what he stated, much less the fact that it might swap any rise in rates due to smoking.

gtfo

5/13/2009 10:22:49 PM

i thought that was cueball

5/13/2009 10:22:49 PM

if we keep outlawing dangerous and unhealthy things then how will
society get rid of the stupid and weak?

5/13/2009 10:23:23 PM

failboat whats your monthly premium as a nonsmoker

as an ex-smoker, mines like 340 after the match

5/13/2009 10:23:47 PM

^mines 220 (and that includes dental) and i'm an "ex-smoker" (I'm trying to quit for good now, but i do still smoke when I drink)

but that covers everything and has a very low deductable

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM. Reason : s]

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM. Reason : d]

5/13/2009 10:24:22 PM

5/13/2009 10:25:35 PM

Quote :

" drinking raises health care costs being obese raises health care costs"

Your drinking or being a fatty doesn't effect my health.

5/13/2009 10:25:54 PM

Quote :

"failboat whats your monthly premium as a nonsmoker as an ex-smoker, mines like 340 after the match"

It's like 190 for my wife and I. Before that, I had some killer insurance (like 100 free massages a year type shit) that is 480 or something for both of us.

5/13/2009 10:28:01 PM

^^ but you were talking about rising health care costs

are these from the cancer (etc) caused by second hand smoke? or from the smokers themselves?

5/13/2009 10:29:09 PM

5/13/2009 10:29:14 PM

i pay almost twice as much as you AND your wife combined, cause i smoked when i got the policy. and im pretty sure it doesnt matter that i dont anymore, at least for a long time.

is that some sort of stat? its at the very least not arbitrary

5/13/2009 10:31:32 PM

and all the whores on bleeker street, they wear the blissful grin

5/13/2009 10:34:17 PM

Quote :

"^^ but you were talking about rising health care costs are these from the cancer (etc) caused by second hand smoke? or from the smokers themselves?"

Ummm, the rant you're drawing that from wasn't really specifically about second hand smoke, though there are plenty of studies showing it does have an effect on people.

5/13/2009 10:34:23 PM

omg someone listened

or actually likes THE PLAYGROUND

FUCK YEAH INTERNET HIGH 5

5/13/2009 10:35:46 PM

i just listened to that CD yesterday i think. maybe two days ago

5/13/2009 10:36:47 PM

From a purely, 100% selfish point of view... I'm fucking thrilled.

This was one of the few things I was NOT looking forward to about moving back to NC after living in a place where I can go out and not smell like a chimney.

Again, being purely selfish...

5/13/2009 10:37:19 PM

its the closest thing i have to heroin

5/13/2009 10:37:52 PM

^^at least you admit this

i have no problem that people admit having their own personal reasons for this, on either side of the issue



i also don't like smokers who are against this just because they want to smoke, and then use the business owner's rights being taken away as their reasoning. As a guy who smokes when he drinks, I would have no problem going outside to have a smoke- I just think it should be the bar owners decision to run their bar this way

I'm actually trying to quit, so this will probably help me in the end. But that doesn't change the fact that I think it is wrong to take away the owners right to run his business as he/she sees fit

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM. Reason : ^]

5/13/2009 10:41:18 PM

^^^my hair still smells like smoke from yesterday

but yea i get what everyone is saying i'm not a smoking fan. though there are a lot of bars i go to that are smoking, but have designated sides, and i don't end up smelling like smoke

other places make me reek but i mean, i choose to go there, i'll accept the consequences. if i cared enough i'd just not go out (to those places, assuming i had a choice which i realize some of you don't but if you live in a place where you don't have a choice to go out to a different bar i can only assume that if you and other nonsmokers boycotted the ONE bar in your town, the bar owner would probably feel the effects...but maybe you did and maybe they didnt), i wouldn't cry to the government to do my dirty work for me. but that is just me.

in other questions, were there like tax incentives for business owners to go nonsmoking prior to this?

^yea i'm more interested in the government involvement in it. i don't care either way because it doesn't affect me. well except for the not smelling like smoke part. i wasn't that worried about lung cancer from second hand smoke (though i guess it is a risk, but you can get lung cancer from normal air pollutants and liver disease from drinking. if i'm at a bar i'm not exactly the pinnacle of morality i suppose).

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2009 10:42:29 PM

Pretty much every new establishment that opens now is non smoking.

I wanna know who is responsible for enforcing the non smoking rule. Is it gonna be the bar staff or the cops??

5/13/2009 10:42:45 PM

hahaha i think it would be funny to see cops walk in to a bar and start handing out tickets...

5/13/2009 10:43:45 PM

The establishments will get a fine... nothing but getting asked to leave the establishment will happen to the smokers themselves.

Quote :

"if i cared enough i'd just not go out"

Ditto. It wouldn't stop me going out and I never bitched about smokers at a bar once...

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:46 PM. Reason : x]

5/13/2009 10:45:42 PM

I don't care if smokers raise your insurance rates, that doesn't have shit to do with the underlying issue. Insurance is optional. Rights are not. If its my business I should be able to do what ever the fuck I want to in it (within some reason of course). If the establishment allows smoking and that bothers you, then GTFO. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that. Hell, I hate cigarette smoke in bars, but this law is trampling on business owner's rights at the behest of the majority. I wish the liberals getting all this shit pushed through would go ruin another state.

5/13/2009 10:48:57 PM

5/13/2009 10:51:19 PM

Quote :

"I wish the liberals getting all this shit pushed through would go ruin another state."

i guess this is easy to say but i think the bill had bipartisan support. i mean it was sponsored and cosponsored by republicans and democrats.

5/13/2009 10:52:59 PM

As an occassional smoker I'm actually kind of ambivalent to this. On the one hand I don't really care for government regulation of markets or liberties. On the other hand, it's nice being able to drink without the choice of whether or not to smoke being effectivey made for you. It's quite hard to resist the urge after a few beers when surrounded in a rich and delicious cloud of oh-so-tempting tobacco smoke...

5/13/2009 10:53:27 PM

^ i think you summed it up well

(i mean the contradiction a lot of people feel)

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 10:55 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2009 10:54:46 PM

Quote :

""WTF KIND OF INBRED IDIOT MAKES THIS ARGUMENT IT WAS LEGAL NOW IT IS NOT LEGAL" No sir. Smoking continues to be a legal activity. And now private individuals who own private businesses are being told that they're not to allow that legal activity to continue. "

With all due respect I have been stopped, bitched at and/or ticketed for open containers in the following places.

- one foot 3 inches on to a sidewalk next to a house on a corner lot
- inside a "private" convenience store
- on brent road
- walking across a "private" yard in greenville nc
- on hillsborough street when the beer was not even open and the fucker made me pour out teh three i had anyway

So the whole "omg they are telling me what to do with my legal stuff" is not really a relevant argument. The guy making that argument to WRAL must not understand that laws can change at anytime......back in the day it was legal to drive with no license, now its not, even though you can legally drive......I bet back then people were like "THE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY CAR THAT I CAN LEGALLY DRIVE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE WHEREVER I WANT TO"

5/13/2009 11:07:55 PM

Quote :

"Rights are not. If its my business I should be able to do what ever the fuck I want to in it"

The State can and did tell you what the fuck are your rights. This isn't the Fed we're talking about here, if the bar/rest owners don't like it, they can get the fuck out. Somehow, our founding fathers didn't see States right to do this as being so oppressive that they left it out.

5/13/2009 11:11:14 PM

Quote :

"any smart farmer got the fuck out of tobacco 10 years ago"

You obviously know nothing about agriculture or the agricultural market.

5/13/2009 11:13:27 PM

^^^ wat

^^ i see where you're coming from

^ explain, pls

5/13/2009 11:14:22 PM

actually, it's true. Most farmers saw the tobacco market heading south in the late nineties and did what they could to get out.

5/13/2009 11:16:08 PM

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 11:22 PM. Reason : fasd]

5/13/2009 11:17:49 PM

Quote :

"You obviously know nothing about agriculture or the agricultural market."

hung that shit in barns for 3 summers and lived on property bordering a huge farm for yeeeeeeeears

im mad redneck yo, gimme my cred

5/13/2009 11:19:39 PM

^^that is what i was thinking, but someone said that it is more involved than that (i think it was on the first page that i mentioned this)

[Edited on May 13, 2009 at 11:20 PM. Reason : ^^]

5/13/2009 11:19:40 PM