knock 'em down

5/19/2009 10:14:01 AM

for the record, i actively scanned just so i could post set em up.

5/19/2009 10:15:30 AM

if you actively scan threads to blah blah blah page 2 set em up blah blah

5/19/2009 10:15:51 AM

weed is really really easy to get. off the top of my head, the most "dangerous" drug i can think of off the top of my head that you could responsibly consume is LSD. i've heard it's not very addicting (never tried it), it's pretty cheap, and most of the time it doesn't have any negative long term effects on the body.

5/19/2009 10:15:58 AM

what causes those sores all over the faces of meth users

5/19/2009 10:18:16 AM

^ They usually have bad habits of obsessively picking at their skin... Not sure if that's what caused hers though. It also RUINS your mouth. The person I know had to have total dental reconstruction.

5/19/2009 10:19:54 AM

it's not just on the faces... one of the effects of meth is that it will fuck up your skin. it'll age it faster (like heavy use of just about any drug) but also causes acne and whatnot

5/19/2009 10:24:15 AM

ha, yeah, it is the bitch but it doesn't make it any better than now he's promoting weed when he was never into that shit. He's put the pussy on the pedestal and the pussy isn't even that great.

Meth causes hallucinations and one common one is of bugs crawling on the skin so the user picks at it until there's a sore.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM. Reason : from what ive been told]

5/19/2009 10:34:02 AM

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"it becomes addicting to most who use it because"

Sure, but you claim that all use is irresponsible – not most. How about those people (who you've made it perfectly clear that you haven't met, and doubt exist,) who don't become addicted and don't overdose? Are they irresponsible, too?

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"what he was describing, to me, seems like he was becoming mentally addicted to it and what it offered."

No, he said that he started pot because of its alleged harmlessness and calming nature, but didn't like it and quit. Where does he mention "what it offered"? Where is there evidence of him "becoming mentally addicted to it"?

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"He said he did it for a year and was having negative symptoms yet he continued to use it."

No, he said that after he experienced the negative symptoms (that he merely assumed came for the pot,) he discontinued use. AND HASN'T USED SINCE. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT ADDICTION? HOW?

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"I know he doesn't mention using pot again -- which is another reason why I think he was addicted. Maybe he realizes how addicted he became and that's why he stays away from it."

You see? This isn't addiction. Addiction is when you are actually addicted. Even if he did feel cravings for pot, (and he never mentioned that he did,) he quit using pot and never used again. How can you possibly use that as evidence of addiction??? What do you think addiction is, anyway? Listen to yourself. Someone tries something for a year, doesn't like it, and quits for good. At no point do they mention feeling cravings, nor do they mention that quitting was difficult. And to this you suggest that "he realizes how addicted he became and that's why he stays away from it"?? What?!@?!??3 If someone felt they're becoming addicted, and they quit and stay away from it because they didn't like it, that is the complete opposite of addiction. That is avoiding addiction. How can you confuse those two?

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"I'm not getting "false details," it just the way I see it."

Then you're crazy, because you're seeing things that are clearly not there.

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"Do you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with you has false details??"

No, but you're not merely disagreeing. You're basing your disagreement on things that don't exist. You've, more than once, took something away from the quote in the original post that clearly isn't there. You are reading what you want to read. You are putting words in the authors mouth. Call it what you want – you seem to be good at that.

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"I never claimed he stated that or that any part of the story stated that."

And yet you brought it up. Like I said, you're suggesting that you can know more about the situation than you can actually know from what the quote says. You are exercising prejudice.

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"TO ME, it seems he was abusing it because he continued to use it throughout the year while developing all these negative side effects. Then he quit."

It's not clear when the alleged side effects began. It can't be assumed that the negative symptoms were from pot – but yes, if they were from the pot and he continued to use, that would be abuse– but again, not necessarily because he's addicted. You can simply make unwise choices, as is sometimes done with food and sex.

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"As for what I think addiction is, I think it's getting into a habit of using something all the time out of the feeling it gives you. You can become obsessive about it and create a dependence on the thing/substance in question."

That's habit at best and dependence at worst – not addiction. For one, addiction results in withdrawal.

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"I feel if he hadn't been addicted to it he would have just stopped whenever it made him feel crappy instead of letting it "ruin his life."

First of all, we don't know what "ruined his life". Just because you believe it to be possible doesn't mean that he's right. All he has is correlational evidence. Besides, even if we make the assumption that the crappy feelings were from the pot, it's not clear when they started in relation to when he quit. Only if it were clear that both the crappy feelings were from the pot, and that he continued to use for a considerable amount of time after knowing that the crappy feelings were from the pot, would that be evidence of abuse. But it would simply never be evidence of addition, in and of itself – because addiction simply isn't necessary in order to make the unwise decision to continue to use something that you know to be ruining your life.

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"You obviously view this story, and drugs, in a different light than I sooo I'm going to just let you type your little heart out if you want, I've stated my views."

okay

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2009 10:40:48 AM

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"Meth causes hallucinations"

the hallucinations typically come from the sleep deprivation ... not from the actual meth

5/19/2009 10:44:19 AM

shit there is a lot to read in here.

i'm going to catch up on this following lunch, but wanted to comment on this

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"with weed, it was always like "weed isnt even a drug", weed is natural, weed makes you peaceful, it calms u down at the end of ur day, theirs no harm in smoking a joint every once in a while! gradually I became a stoner for a year,"

this is actually a valid point. however the problem here is viewing weed as a substance and not a drug. many legally prescribed medications are the same way. they become trivialized. while i do miss my time as a stoner, i don't feel 5 gravity bong hits a day was necessary. Started at once a week, moved to twice a week, then daily, then multiple times a day, etc... so while i don't believe weed destroyed his life i think that it can if you don't respect it the same way you would a harder drug.

5/19/2009 11:01:09 AM

dear leaders, please legalize weed for these reasons.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2009 11:35:29 AM

weed status: still owns

5/19/2009 1:11:56 PM

true

5/19/2009 1:16:41 PM

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"HOW THE FUCK IS THAT ADDICTION? HOW?"

I love how you say that I should calm down when you're the one getting so bent out of shape from my opinion.

I'm just going to list off things that I feel are wrong concerning the way you viewed this story (why not piss you off a little more?):

1) A lot of your arguments are based on you knowing how this guy is actually feeling. For example, you state over and over and OVER again that he just "used for a year and quit." How do you know how long he was having these negative symptoms before he actually quit? Oh... that's right... you don't. He never clearly states how long the symptoms were going before he quit. Which is where I draw my opinion from. Until he clearly says how long he had the negative symptoms then I'm going to go with the fact that he was addicted or else who wouldn't have said it ruined his life.

2) Which brings me to my next point. He feels the weed ruined his life -- so why are you jumping to the fact that it could have not been the weed? All that matters is that's the way he felt, and that's the story we're getting.

3) Um... duh, addicition is where you're addicted. Otherwise it wouldn't be called addiction, dumbass. Usually what pushes people to the point of recovery is where they themselves see how addicted they've become and have a "moment of clarity" or someone shoves it in their face. So when you stated, "If someone felt they're becoming addicted, and they quit and stay away from it because they didn't like it, that is the complete opposite of addiction," was not really the case because that's how people get OUT of addiction. Some people don't like what the drugs actually do to them but they keep doing it because of that obsession. Have you ever done something that you knew was bad for you and did it anyways?

4) I'm crazy? You're the one flipping the f out because I think using meth is irresponsible and that this guy was addicted to weed. You're obviously seeing things that aren't there either if you are assuming weed isn't what ruined his life (even though he feels that way) and that the symptoms weren't caused by it (even though he never mentioned anything else that could have possibly caused it). All we have to go on is this guy's personal view of his past addiction with weed. And yes, I did throw that last bit in there to piss you off.

5) Um... hi... you're putting words in the author's mouth when you say that weed isn't what ruined his life. Even though he clearly states he feels it was. So um... you're kind of representing that whole line, "the pot calling the kettle black."

6) Main Entry: ad·dic·tion
Pronunciation: schwa-primarystressdik-shschwan
Function: noun
: compulsive physiological need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be physically, psychologically, or socially harmful


I love how mad you're getting that someone doesn't agree with you.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM. Reason : V I know her]

5/19/2009 1:23:04 PM

wish jessiejepp would post in here...thread could use some humor

5/19/2009 1:25:17 PM

I love it when people have no idea what they are ranting about. This thread makes me LOL.

5/19/2009 1:32:18 PM

way too much nit-picking going on in this thread

and I would love to know know using crystal meth could be considered "responsible" behavior

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2009 1:32:25 PM

I smoked for a couple years during college, but still managed to graduate and land a good job, which led to an even better job. It is true that if you smoke too much, you really lose your connection with reality and with yourself too. There was a time in my life where I was depressed, lost my overall confidence, and felt useless to humanity. The truth is that I was self-medicating, because I hated my girlfriend and the direction that life was going. Once I changed my life, I just stopped smoking. It wasn't for any reason in particular, it was just because life got more interesting and I didn't want to spend my time sitting around anymore.

5/19/2009 1:43:42 PM

half the people in here railing on meth were probably hunting for adderall while they were in school.

5/19/2009 2:01:09 PM

meth is never responsible. other drugs can be responsibly used

5/19/2009 2:05:47 PM

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"Some of the drugs listed I personally feel can NOT be used "responsibly," such as crystal meth. -Samwise16"

Quite a few medical professionals would disagree with your retarded ass.

Case in point: Desoxyn.


BYE BYE NOW SON.

5/19/2009 2:25:01 PM

i think that heroin and meth is called a "speed ball"

btw, breaking bad is an awesome show

5/19/2009 2:29:22 PM

Cocaine and Heroin son?

Or the Farley Speedball, Cocaine and Morphine?



Breaking bad is a show that is beyond your level son. Beyond your level.

5/19/2009 2:33:38 PM

^3 I'm referring to the meth someone smokes and doesn't use for medicinal reasons, idiot.

I'm quite aware some street drugs are used medically in certain situations, such as cocaine.

5/19/2009 2:50:55 PM

Look son, it's methamphetamine no matter how you want to look at it. Whether you smoke it, inject it or eat it son. It's all methamphetamine son. It has plenty of medical value son, otherwise it wouldn't be prescribed to children.

What you said was that methamphetamine can't be used responsibly and that's a lie son. This diversionary tactic isn't going to save you son.

5/19/2009 2:53:28 PM

There's a difference between something that is controlled by a medical professional and something you buy off the street and use uncontrollably.

5/19/2009 2:54:36 PM

Again, you're getting off track.

What you said was that methamphetamine cannot be used responsibly and that's a lie son. Period.


RECALL THE FOLLOWING SON:

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"Some of the drugs listed I personally feel can NOT be used "responsibly," such as crystal meth. -Samwise16"

5/19/2009 2:55:44 PM

i used to date a meth addict that said he wouldn't use pot because it makes you lazy...


then he OD'd and died

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 2:57 PM. Reason : i didn't read this thread btw]

5/19/2009 2:56:43 PM

Nice.

5/19/2009 2:57:00 PM

I said crystal meth aka the street drug. I see what you're trying to do.. and I still stand by my statements.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM. Reason : ^3 Yes, that is correct, I referred to the street term, "crystal meth." ]

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Reason : V Agreed ]

5/19/2009 2:57:50 PM

^^Even if you need to use amphetamines for medical purposes, there are other forms that are less harmful than crystal meth.

let's get real, no one is using that shit for medical purposes son.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM. Reason : ^]

5/19/2009 2:59:15 PM

i just wanna point out that the little quote in the OP could replace the word weed with liquor and it would still be applicable.

5/19/2009 3:05:49 PM

holy fucking words

and I thought page 1 was beating a dead horse

also, ^^

A+ comment

Not all amphetamines are methamphetamine, most have much shorter halflives and intensity.

Methamphetamine alone, to my knowledge, causes the wicked neurotoxicity. In fact, it's been hypothesized recently that some of its addictiveness isn't due to transient downregulation of neurotransmitters as in most other chemical withdrawals, but near-permanent damage to dopamine synapses that can take years to regenerate. Cocaine and other amphetamines cause almost statistically irrelevant dopamine neurotoxicity of a few percent, while chronic methamphetamine use can result in baseline dopamine levels around 90% lower than averages in non-meth users.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2009 3:16:04 PM

so basically you keep doing that shit and eventually it becomes impossible for you to feel happy

5/19/2009 4:22:46 PM

definitely a gateway drug, definitely physically and mentally addictive.

BUT in the past 3 years i have worked with many addicts, and the ratio to functioning vs non-functioning and people who enter the gateway vs not enough imo to give credit to saying that "weed is bad"

i'm pro-marijuana (and i passed a drug test a week ago)

5/19/2009 4:27:55 PM

doing drugs is the coolest!

5/19/2009 4:35:29 PM

There's really no point in labeling anything a "gateway drug." People come to use various drugs through all different ways. The most common way is another person saying "Here, I've tried this and liked it, so you should also try it." Human interaction is the true gateway drug, if it's anything. There are many people that smoke weed but don't drink alcohol or do coke. There are people that do meth and have never had alcohol or marijuana. All you can really say is that someone who uses a certain drug or substance is statistically more likely to engage in the use of some other drug, but that isn't really useful, and it's only an association, not a causal factor.

5/19/2009 4:37:02 PM

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"doing drugs is the coolest!"

so true man, so true. *bongs 6 beers*

5/19/2009 4:48:23 PM

drugs don't make you cool but fuck if they aren't cool

5/19/2009 4:53:38 PM

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"so basically you keep doing that shit and eventually it becomes impossible for you to feel happy"

"Happiness" is pretty complex, but yeah it's somewhat correlated with dopamine pathways. Motivation and concentration are also somewhat correlated with dopamine pathways.

Your brain doesn't typically release a shitload of dopamine and call it a job well done, complex patterns of neurons fire during an emotion. Drugs also aren't "absent or present", they have interactions within synapses that determine their character as well. Different drugs can be radioisotopically imaged in the vicinity of the same synapses and have entirely different effects depending on their interaction with the neurons. Concentrations of one neurotransmitter in the synapse may determine activity of a completely different neurotransmitter.

So, inhibited dopamine activity certainly means that some aspects of feeling and functioning will be dampened, but even at the depressingly (lol pun) low levels found after chronic methamphetamine use the brain will probably compensate to an extent, such that function is not impaired linearly with dopamine activity.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 5:11 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2009 5:11:00 PM

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"There's a difference between something that is controlled by a medical professional and something you buy off the street"

only if you're naive. would you say that dilaudid, oxycontin, and fentanyl are less dangerous than their black market counterparts as well?

5/19/2009 5:32:32 PM

Probably not, because she's proven herself to be extremely naive.

5/19/2009 5:45:26 PM

NAIVE SON.

EXTREMELY NAIVE.

5/20/2009 11:28:14 AM

naïve

5/20/2009 11:29:46 AM

imho rabble rabble rabble rabble. rabble.

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble



rabble.

5/20/2009 11:32:57 AM

i wonder if Goody's Powder negatively affects neurotransmitters

5/20/2009 11:38:40 AM

if it does, I'm sure all of yours are gone by now.

5/20/2009 12:31:49 PM