any of you cops, ex-cops?

5/22/2009 1:59:18 PM

If this guy had done this in the Middle East/Asia, he probably wouldn't have a head anymore.

I'm just glad they stopped him on the ramp. Stop bar, PIT maneuver, RPG, whatever...

5/22/2009 2:01:19 PM

probably a little bit overkill, no?

5/22/2009 2:06:15 PM

All I gotta say is I would be in jail if I had done that, why shouldn't they be?

5/22/2009 2:14:19 PM

fair

5/22/2009 2:15:18 PM

I like the guy who ran in and basically did an elbow drop.

That made me LOL

5/22/2009 2:20:23 PM

can you smell what the rock is cooking?

5/22/2009 2:21:12 PM

lulz

5/22/2009 2:27:53 PM

Nope, not at all.

Suppose he was able to make it onto the freeway and several miles down the road he blows a tire. Going 100+mph, he instantly loses control a sideswipes your wife/kids/parents/family/etc. killing them, and himself instantly.

Would you still feel the same?

5/22/2009 2:28:58 PM

sweet, now we're making up hypothetical situations to rationalize criminal behavior from cops!

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 2:30 PM. Reason : ']

5/22/2009 2:30:35 PM

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" Suppose he was able to make it onto the freeway and several miles down the road he blows a tire. Going 100+mph, he instantly loses control a sideswipes your wife/kids/parents/family/etc. killing them, and himself instantly. Would you still feel the same?"

DINGDING

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM. Reason : there's nothing wrong with preventing situations like that.]

5/22/2009 2:31:10 PM

^ How does beating a guy who is already out of his car and unconsious prevent him from killing other people?

5/22/2009 2:33:52 PM

is he killing anyone after a beating like that? I'd think not.

5/22/2009 2:35:42 PM

^2 Well, to play devil's advocate, it's not like he got out of his car willingly.. He was thrown from it

5/22/2009 2:36:37 PM

I say the cops saved the guy from killing himself.

Until you're in that situation, you can't really blame them for beating the guy up. If the guy had pulled over and laid on the ground...they still would've done the same thing.

5/22/2009 2:38:47 PM

^^^ Is he killing anyone after being thrown from his car?

^^ I don't get your logic. Why does that matter?

^ I can understand the reaction, just like I can understand why someone would rob another person, doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

5/22/2009 2:39:01 PM

^ Some people walk away from car wrecks unscathed.. Walking just fine, etc. I'm not so sure I would want to take the chance of having a crazy criminal run into the middle of the highway and cause even more people to get hurt... Although, I think homeboy who was beating the shit out of his head went way overboard.

Just pointing it out cause you said he was out of his car.. just showing it's not like he did it willingly

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 2:42 PM. Reason : silly people]

5/22/2009 2:41:17 PM

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"They deserve a much lesser punishment like suspension without pay for 2 weeks, a demotion or put them behind a desk for 6 months."

Exactly, like the guy that killed the kid I went to HS with, Peyton Strickland. I guess you must think the cop got exactly what he deserved for murdering a completely innocent, non-threatening 18 year old UNCW student. He got fired son...... Fired.


Let's turn that situation around a little bit now son. What happens if Peyton had killed the cops? Remember they tried to kill him for absolutely no justifyable/legal reason. Anyone has the right to save their own life. If a cop has mistaken me for someone else or for some other reason has decided to unlawfully open fire on me, then it has come down to me or him and I'm going to fight for my life as most people should.

Unfortunately, the most likely outcome is that you would gone to jail for a long time if such a situation arose my sons, even if you truly were completely innocent. I don't care what any of you tard bags say about it son. There is a real problem with this attitude that JBaz has. For some reason, he thinks cops should inherently be held LESS accountable for their actions than the average person. How much fucking sense does that make?!

The police should be held EVEN MORE ACCOUNTABLE THAN AVERAGE CITIZENS. This is because they are given significant power over average citizens, including the power to end their lives. When this power is abused or used haphazardly, people like Peyton Strickland become victims. If the punishments for killing innocent people were actually real, they'd have thought a little harder before raiding the home of a suspected playstation theif. There were so many other options, but the first one they used was a fully "lethal force authorized" violent home invasion.

The battering ram struck the door and an officer, obviously completely inexperienced in tactical raids, opened fire through the front door (Which had a large pane of glass, they were able to see Strickland). He struck Peyton in the head and chest, killing him almost instantly. One report mentions that he lay there having seizures and wheezing while his friends begged the police to call an ambulance. All that happened was they were all gathered up and cuffed while they watched him finally pass away on the floor of their home.

The result of this gross, incredible negligence? Somebody got fired............

5/22/2009 2:42:50 PM

you forgot SON

5/22/2009 2:44:18 PM

The reason none of the cops showed any kind of restraint is due to the situation created by the completely reckless nature of the suspect. In that kind of situation, reason and sound judgment go out the window and emotion/adrenaline take over. They are human, anyone would have acted the same way.

I'd fully expect the shit kicked out of my corpse if I did that.

5/22/2009 2:52:45 PM

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" I like the guy who ran in and basically did an elbow drop. That made me LOL "

Win!

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" can you smell what the rock is cooking? "

I don't even know what this means and it made me LOL ipso facto Epic Win

I also like the part where the guy flips out of the window, if he was conscious I'm sure he was all like "I'm fucked!" right in mid air.

5/22/2009 2:57:44 PM

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"^^^ Is he killing anyone after being thrown from his car?"

most definitely not, would you think? Nor would he be eating a whopper either

[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM. Reason : wood]

5/22/2009 2:57:51 PM

5/22/2009 3:02:14 PM

Hey guys, he's currently laying there unconscious and motionless...
Let's pile on and beat the shit out of him. That'll keep him from...errr...ummm....driving!

Actually he's not driving right now. He's laying on the ground unconscious...

Well, we will all beat him anyway because he is resisting arrest!

Couldn't you just cuff him? He's not resisting arrest right now. He's knocked out cold...it's impossible for him to resist arrest right now. I mean, I doubt he will really resist the handcuffs....he's knocked out

No! We have to beat him, or else he won't be punished

Well, you know....he'll probably go to prison for a pretty long time if you just take him in to custody...

But I haven't had the chance to use my beating stick in a while
and my buddy over here has been watching wrestling...he wants to try a new move

ಠ_ಠ

5/22/2009 3:41:33 PM

what does EMCE know anyway

5/22/2009 3:42:35 PM

Not much I guess

just somewhat of an understanding of the laws in our country :-/
and the capabilities of a human that is not conscious

5/22/2009 3:44:32 PM

I mean if that asshole almost ranover my coworker/friend I would probably give him a kick before hand-cuffing him.

5/22/2009 3:50:18 PM

For all the cops knew, the guy was dead. The first cop definitely didn't wait to find out or not.


[Edited on May 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2009 3:50:46 PM

lol, this shit is beautiful.

5/22/2009 3:50:58 PM

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"just somewhat of an understanding of the laws in our country :-/ and the capabilities of a human that is not conscious "

why have you got to bring race into the argument?

5/22/2009 3:55:16 PM

I thought this was going to be about Birmingham England.

5/22/2009 4:03:46 PM

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"IT DOES NOT MATTER. NO COP HAS THE RIGHT TO PUNISH ANY SUSPECTED OFFENDER FOR ANY OFFENSE HE WILL GET "WHAT IS COMING TO HIM" BY SERVING TIME IN PRISON FOR HIS OFFENSES."

5/22/2009 6:26:49 PM

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"NO COP HAS THE RIGHT TO PUNISH ANY SUSPECTED OFFENDER FOR ANY OFFENSE"

so why do they carry weapons

5/22/2009 6:46:38 PM

to defend themselves and other people

5/22/2009 6:50:04 PM

so they could say, shoot someone if they tried to run an officer down with a car, or tase someone who is resisting arrest, but those aren't punishing the suspect for an offense

5/22/2009 6:53:54 PM

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"The battering ram struck the door and an officer, obviously completely inexperienced in tactical raids, opened fire through the front door (Which had a large pane of glass, they were able to see Strickland)."

Pretty sure the door was solid wood. There was no indication in any of the reports that the door could be seen through. The police feared for their lives because Peyton's friend's myspace (who they thought was with him at the time) had pictures on his myspace of himself and others with various guns.

5/22/2009 7:10:48 PM

Anytime those blue light and siren come on and you are running hard your adrenaline goes through the roof; fine motor skills and your thought process goes away. As a police officer, you have to be able to control these factors (as much as possible) and deal with the situation. One of these officers should have had the rationale to assess the situation (even though this is happening a million miles an hour to them) and realize that this guy is unconscious. He should have been cuffed and an ambulance called. There is no excuse for the beating that this guy got, period.

Yes, officers have to make split second decisions with the facts at hand and sometimes mistakes are made;(see Peyton Strickland). Officers are not held to the same standard as others. Most case law references what a reasonable person would do/act. In use of force incidents involving the police, there is a reasonable officer standard; what a reasonably trained officer would do given the situation and knowledge at the time of the incident (see Graham v. Connor).

Again, no excuse in this situation for what happened. These guys lost there jobs for beating a an unconscious man. However, given the totality of the circumstances (the chase, attempted murder, etc) I doubt serious charges will be filed. These officers were reacting (though wrongly) to the given situation. They will not be protected from a civil suit; which in going to inevitable.

5/22/2009 8:14:12 PM

5/23/2009 7:30:05 PM

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"so why do they carry weapons"

it's not to carry out sentancing, you fucking moron.

5/23/2009 7:58:27 PM

cops are faggots with tiny cocks

power-hungry dickheads who were picked on in high school

fuck the police

5/23/2009 8:59:20 PM

that mother fucker just tried to kill an officer by running him over. he deserved the beating he got... in the name of self defense to make sure the guy was not a threat any longer.

5/23/2009 9:03:56 PM

i don't think his unconscious body was a threat

5/23/2009 9:04:47 PM

they were not sure he was unconscious.

5/23/2009 9:09:05 PM

it's one thing to smack a guy when he might be unconscious, it's another thing to continue to beat the shit out of the guy when he hasn't responded.

yeah, white or black, that's pretty inhumane.

5/23/2009 9:51:00 PM

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"The police feared for their lives because Peyton's friend's myspace (who they thought was with him at the time) had pictures on his myspace of himself and others with various guns."

The police were aware of Ryan Mills' whereabouts on the day of the attack because they picked him up at a different location.

But the real point is that this was all over a stolen playstation son. A FUCKING PLAYSTATION GAMING SYSTEM. THE KID IS DEAD BECAUSE SOMEONE ACCUSED HIM OF STEALING A PLAYSTATION......

If he was such a threat and the concern that firearms were in the house was so great, they should have simply picked him up at work or at school. Or perhaps they could have simply called him and asked him to turn himself in. What real reason did they have to believe he wouldn't have done so? He had no real means to flee and the charges were minor enough that it would have been stupid for anyone to do so. Plus, he was a reasonable/intelligent enough human being to know that he couldn't simply run away and never have to deal with the charges. The fact of the matter is they wanted to dress up and play SWAT Team that day and Peyton suffered the consequences. To my knowledge, his guilt has never been established, but perhaps I am wrong on that one too. Even if he was at some point proven guilty, this was still a completely inappropriate series of events. The officer should have received something along the lines of negeligent homicide charges.

Sure, he had a stupid friend in Ryan Mills, but he was an 18 year old kid. Most 18 year old kids aren't 100% grown up yet. Their very first option was a tactical raid over a possibly stolen playstation. You're so right though man, those police had no other choice but to raid the house. Those photos of a bunch of people who are not Peyton Strickland sure gave those police no other choice but to kill Peyton.

Btw, do you not know someone that has a photograph of themselves holding a gun? If not, good for you my son. If so, good for you my son. Either way, it has nothing to do with you. The fact that some guy is holding a gun in a photo doesn't mean that the police can shoot you through your front door. Whether or not the door had a glass pane is beside the point, but good for you there, I am 100% wrong on that.

The point is that someone so inexperienced in raids should never have been there and no raid was necessary in the first place. He had been ACCUSED (Not convicted) of a theft. After the fact the police attempted to paint him into this violent, dangerous criminal who couldn't have been dealt with any other way. I'm glad you bought into that bullshit my son, it makes you look extremely cool.

But yeah, the kid deserved it for sure. He brought it on himself by letting Ryan Mills take a picture of himself holding a firearm (Which in and of itself is not threatening and doesn't even indicate that the individual owns a firearm) and put it online.

5/24/2009 9:26:27 AM

^no, they weren't aware of Ryan Mills whereabouts. The apprehended him an hour or two after the shooting when he came over to Peyton's house, and they found two ski masks and a pistol grip shotgun in the trunk of his car. Don't rewrite history just to make your point.

Peyton Strickland was a spoiled rich kid that figured his lawyer daddy could get him out of trouble for assaulting and robbing people, but he didn't consider that the nature of his crime might make the cops jumpy and actually shoot him in the process of arresting him. The cop shouldn't have shot him, but I'm not going to lose any sleep at night because that little drain on society can't breathe anymore.

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"the police should be using force if the person is resisting arrest...and at that point in time when the guy is unconscious, it is impossible for him to be resisting arrest. "

He may not have been resisting, but he was damn sure thinking about it.

[Edited on May 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM. Reason : He got beat on for 10 seconds. Tough shit.]

5/24/2009 10:14:52 AM