Greenberg is also an asshole

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"Seth Greenberg, coach of Virginia Tech, was blunt in ripping some underachieving college players. “[Jrue] Holiday and [B.J.] Mullins (sic) were not productive players for their respective teams why would they be any different at the next level?” We’re all in favor of a coach tweeting his mind but in the case of Mullens (and you could spell his name right), he grew up in abject poverty in Ohio, including spending long stints in various homeless shelters. When someone is willing to give you a guaranteed multimillion-dollar contract, you think you’re going to apologize for your rebounding production in the Big Ten?"

6/27/2009 9:34:41 AM

sure he's an asshole but so are Roy and Coach K as far as I'm concerned, it has nothing to do with how good of a coach someone is. Greenberg is also correct about Mullens and Holliday being unproductive players in college, he just doesn't seem to understand that the NBA draft is mostly about potential rather than production in college.

[Edited on June 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM. Reason : .]

6/27/2009 10:29:07 AM

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"aha, I like how you talk shit about Greenberg and then praise Purnell even though they have almost the same exact record at their current schools (100-70 vs 94-70). Proof yet again that BigEgo doesn't actually know anything about college basketball."

There's more to it than records dude. OP is out recruiting Greenberg the last couple years, and is turning Clemson into a decent basketball team. I think I can find plenty of people who will agree with me on OP being better than Greenberg, and OP also manages to not look like an asshole while he coaches.

A nice tidbit: Sidney Lowe is 5-1 against Greenberg, but 0-5 against Purnell. If the refs could call a fair game or Horner could hit a FT Lowe would be 6-0 against Greenberg. OP is 4-2 against Greenberg since the expansion.

6/27/2009 4:18:53 PM

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"There's more to it than records dude."

so you're saying that how many games a coach wins is NOT the determinant of how good of a coach he is?

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"OP is out recruiting Greenberg the last couple years,"

that's a pretty pathetic argument man. it's totally insignificant unless it translates to wins, which is why their overall records are important.

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"I think I can find plenty of people who will agree with me on OP being better than Greenberg"

oh well if some people on the internet agree with you then my points are obviously invalid.

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"A nice tidbit: Sidney Lowe is 5-1 against Greenberg, but 0-5 against Purnell."

haha wow, way to bring in a set of useless statistics...I think Purnell is possibly a better coach but they have virtually the same record at their current schools so I don't see how you can call Purnell a really good coach and then say Greenberg is shitty. If one is shitty the other has to be, so you need to reevaluate your assessment of one or the other. Also, they both have done nothing worth mentioning in the NCAA tournament, so that is another similarity.

[Edited on June 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2009 5:12:18 PM

^everything is relative. Purnell has more ACC wins and wins the H2H record. OP is a good coach. Greenburg is an asshat.

6/27/2009 5:40:39 PM

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"OP is a good coach. Greenburg is an asshat."

I'm not denying the fact that Greenberg is kind of a douche, but that really doesn't have anything to do with how good of a coach he is. Picking Clemson to win the ACC is kind of amusing to me though, I'm sure they'll start out like 17-0 and end up losing 9 out of their last 12 games to barely make the tourney.

6/27/2009 7:32:42 PM

They have the best player in the league (Booker) and they have some of the best young talent in Johnson and Jennings.

Of course Favors is better than both, OP is 1000 times the coach that Hewitt is. The ACC will be weaker next year and Clemson very well could win it.

6/27/2009 8:43:55 PM

Wow, if Booker really is the best player in the conference that is baaddd for the ACC. Jeez.

He is a good, solid player but wow...

[Edited on June 27, 2009 at 8:55 PM. Reason : still waiting on purnell to win a ncaa tourney game? can't remember this year...]

6/27/2009 8:53:46 PM

^He's a very very good interior player. It's either him or Singler, and Singler looks like a goofy mofo

6/27/2009 9:17:49 PM

the best player in the league is someone who probably won't make it in the NBA?

6/27/2009 9:44:18 PM

He'll be a late first round pick. As far as college players go, he's one of the best around

6/27/2009 10:17:59 PM

he's also like 6'6 1/2

dejuan blair destroyed everyone in college last year and lasted to the 2nd round. now sure, he has no ACLs and has to support like 300lbs on those legs but it's not like booker has been a beacon of health either

6/27/2009 10:32:05 PM

nbadraft.net has him as a first rounder

6/27/2009 11:01:53 PM

since when did BigEgo become a shameless Clemson homer. Booker being the best player in the league is questionable...you could make good arguments for Lawal, Aminu, Favors, Singler, Delaney, Vasquez or maybe even Ed Davis (this is based on potential rather than his production last year). Booker is solid though, maybe he'll pick up some more post moves from his cousin (Jordan Hill) this summer.

[Edited on June 28, 2009 at 2:37 AM. Reason : .]

6/28/2009 2:33:01 AM

I hate Carolina!!

but the best player in the ACC next season is going to be ED DAVIS

6/28/2009 9:54:39 AM

i can't take that guy seriously, he looks like a 7' tall 8 year old.

6/28/2009 11:25:04 AM

^^Ed Davis won't be the best player on his team

6/28/2009 7:41:54 PM

The best player will be Grevis Vasquez! lol, just kidding.


Are any of State's freshmen decent?

6/28/2009 8:07:46 PM

^^ Yes he will.

6/28/2009 9:00:10 PM

^^A couple will be pretty good. Not player of the year good, but okay.

6/28/2009 11:45:33 PM

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"^Greenburg is a shitty coach, and the school has shitty basketball history."

How can someone that defends Lowe as much as you say that Seth Greenberg is a shitty coach?

The shitty basketball history hurts your arguement dumbass. He has made Va Tech relevant in basketball.

6/29/2009 12:11:56 AM

^Considering Lowe's record against Greenberg, I can bash the fuck out of Greenberg.

Lowe pwnts the fuck out of Greenberg every time they meet.

6/29/2009 1:50:09 AM

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"Considering Lowe's record against Greenberg, I can bash the fuck out of Greenberg."

more retarded basketball analysis from BigEgo, big surprise. Greenberg is 100-70 with one NCAA tournament appearance while Lowe is 51-46 with 0 NCAA tournament appearances. Clearly Lowe is the better coach

6/29/2009 1:28:29 PM

After 3 years at VT Greenberg was 44-44 so...

6/29/2009 1:44:08 PM

His point is that Lowe has the better head-to-head record. Which is sort of relevant.

6/29/2009 1:44:43 PM

Greenberg is a clown but he is a more accomplished coach right now than Lowe is at the college level. I don't really see how anyone could legitimately dispute that.

Lowe had a losing record against Dave Leitao. Does that mean Leitao > Lowe?

[Edited on June 29, 2009 at 2:06 PM. Reason : I don't understand your troll?]

6/29/2009 2:03:08 PM

It works for UConn football, I don't see why it can't work for ACC basketball coaching.

6/29/2009 2:05:07 PM

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"His point is that Lowe has the better head-to-head record. Which is sort of relevant."

it's kind of relevant, but there are all sorts of anomalies out there as far as head to head records, you really can't use that as the only or even the main criteria for determining which coach is better. I just get kind of annoyed with BigEgo's constant Greenberg bashing, he's not a great coach by any stretch but he's not a terrible one either.

6/29/2009 2:07:43 PM

^^^ message_topic.aspx?topic=558667

No troll, it's just a coincidence that you're a UConn fan.

[Edited on June 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM. Reason : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^]

6/29/2009 2:12:41 PM

Give Lowe the 20 years or so that Greenbergs been a HC in college and he'll do more than him. Greenberg is a shitty coach compared to other ACC coaches. That's that. Only guy he is for sure better than is Hewitt, who should have been fired.

6/29/2009 4:54:41 PM

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"Greenberg is a shitty coach compared to other ACC coaches. That's that."

dude, if you think Greenberg is a shitty coach, fine, but then you have to also consider Purnell (who you seem to have a man crush on) a shitty coach too since they have basically the same overall record and have accomplished similar things in the NCAA tournament. Also I think Haith and Hamilton are arguably shittier coaches than Greenberg. It seems like Greenberg pissed in your coffee or something, I really don't understand where all this hate is coming from.

6/29/2009 6:19:13 PM

Clemson's style of play >> VT's in interestingness. OP > Greenberg in ACC wins, and H2H. OP > Greenberg in recruiting...

OP is bringing a lot of talent TO CLEMSON.

6/29/2009 7:15:52 PM

^it's almost like you don't even read my posts you just respond to some argument you made up in your head. I'm not arguing that Greenberg is a better HC than Purnell, I'm arguing that you calling Greenberg a shitty head coach while calling Purnell is a good head coach is ridiculous. And Purnell's style of play being more interesting has NOTHING to do with how good of a head coach he is.

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"OP > Greenberg in ACC wins"

dude you're fucking stupid, Purnell's ACC record is 41-55 while Greenberg's is 31-33 so while he does have more ACC wins he's also been coaching in the ACC for significantly longer. I'll take 31-33 over 41-55 any day of the week. Keep touting bullshit statistics to prop up your lame argument.

6/29/2009 8:19:00 PM

^since VT joined OP has 2 more wins.

6/29/2009 8:20:00 PM

^WOW, well that clearly makes him the better coach Again, I'm not arguing Greenberg is a BETTER coach. Are you still going to try and tell me that Greenberg is shitty and Purnell is good with a whopping 2 win differential between them in conference play?

6/29/2009 8:22:55 PM

If Greenberg were a better coach he might out coach OP and would have been ahead.

6/29/2009 8:38:16 PM

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"If Greenberg were a better coach he might out coach OP and would have been ahead."

get it through your thick skull, IM NOT ARGUING THAT GREENBERG IS A BETTER COACH THAN PURNELL. And besides, winning a whopping 2 more conference games in 3 season doesn't fucking prove anything. Greenberg isn't a shitty coach and the incredible similarity between his overall record at VT and Purnell's should prove that to you (not to mention their conference records are almost the same since VT joined the ACC).

6/29/2009 8:58:47 PM

You got me, they're exactly the same coach with the exact same strengths and weaknesses and will have the same past present and future just because they have similar records... even though OP is winning the H2H, ACC wins, and will have a better team next year.

6/30/2009 1:27:04 AM

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"even though OP is winning the H2H, ACC wins, and will have a better team next year."

Only thing that is true about this is the head to head record. Greenberg's ACC winning percentage is better. They were both hired at their schools in 2003. Virginia Tech will have a very good squad this year. Both of these teams and coaches are better than ours BigEgo and yet you will go suck Sidney Lowe's dick right now.

[Edited on June 30, 2009 at 1:48 AM. Reason : LOL at Clemson beating UNC in the OP]

6/30/2009 1:48:00 AM

^If Greenberg is such a good coach compared to Lowe, why does Lowe pwnt him everytime they meet?

6/30/2009 2:20:48 AM

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"If Greenberg is such a good coach compared to Lowe, why does Lowe pwnt him everytime they meet?"

do you really not understand the answer to this? I've about given up on arguing with you since you don't seem to understand logic or reason. Here's an example of why the logic you are using is problematic: Sidney Lowe has won 100% of the games he's coached against Jay Wright, using your logic since Lowe won the H2H matchup then Lowe is the better coach even though Jay Wright has taken his team deep into the tourney multiple times and Lowe has never even gotten to it. Go ahead and admit you were stupid for calling Greenberg a shitty coach while praising Purnell at the same time.

6/30/2009 2:32:29 AM

^1 game sample != 6 sample over 3 years.

6/30/2009 2:47:59 AM

so what you're saying is that you can't just use head to head record blindly without considering other factors to evaluate coaches? SHOCKING

[Edited on June 30, 2009 at 12:13 PM. Reason : .]

6/30/2009 12:13:29 PM

i'd without question rather have sidney lowe than seth greenberg, and probably than oliver purnell.

also, seth greenberg's daughter is super cute.

6/30/2009 12:19:11 PM

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"i'd without question rather have sidney lowe than seth greenberg, and probably than oliver purnell."

that's fine, and maybe Lowe will turn out to be a better coach than either of them, but expectations should be significantly higher here than at schools with virtually no tradition of winning in basketball.

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"also, seth greenberg's daughter is super cute."

of course a ginger would think that

6/30/2009 1:30:32 PM

why you gotta be like that?

6/30/2009 2:59:35 PM

lulz, you got any good pics you can link to? I kept running across the same dead link to a slideshow of her.

6/30/2009 3:06:08 PM

id rather have lowe than those two coaches too.

in two years he'll either be better than both of them, or gone. and i dont want to wade in mediocrity with a greenburg or purnell

6/30/2009 3:57:07 PM

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"i dont want to wade in mediocrity with a greenburg or purnell"

I don't either, but can Clemson or Va Tech really expect more success than what Greenberg or Purnell has achieved?

6/30/2009 4:09:42 PM

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"so what you're saying is that you can't just use head to head record blindly without considering other factors to evaluate coaches? SHOCKING "

I'm saying that you're not going to get much from one game, but from 6 games you get an idea. You bringing up that Nova game is irrelevant. SHOCKING

6/30/2009 7:47:49 PM