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6/16/2009 11:26:33 AM

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"1. its illegal to ride the bike on a sidewalk."

Reference please? Like really (I want to know for my own benefit rather than be ignorant). I ride on the sidewalk when I can and make sure to go around people slowly. I ride up and down Blue Ridge Road, Edwards Mill, and Reedy Creek and have had police pass me without saying any word. Unless it's one of those things that they aren't going to bother enforcing that law unless I run into someone and they decide to sue me for damages.

I'm not going to get involved in the "bicycles belong ____ the road/sidewalk" argument. Its [old], everyone has their opinions. I just want to know legalities.

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6/16/2009 11:26:54 AM

ha. They gave students warnings for riding on the sidewalk on campus a couple years ago.

6/16/2009 11:29:53 AM

http://www.ncdot.org/transit/bicycle/laws/laws_bikelaws.html

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"In North Carolina, the bicycle has the legal status of a vehicle."

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6/16/2009 11:30:00 AM

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" Quote : "every damn day" Bull fucking shit. You're gonna claim to have seen cars that never exceed the posted speed limit? In fact, you claim to see them every day? How about turn signals? Every car you see every day always uses them right? Whatever, dude."

my mother does not speed, at all, trust me...and she uses her turn signals religiously. she would seriously shit her pants if she wound up in the left lane on I40

so fuck you very much

6/16/2009 11:32:41 AM

^^ I see nothing saying that riding on the sidewalk is illegal.

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6/16/2009 11:36:37 AM

Bicylists on major roads are definitely a safety hazard. They hold up traffic and force people to pass; if it's on a curved road, you can't safely pass, so you just have to stay behind them going 10 miles an hour. I've seen a line of 5-6 cars behind a bike before. I understand that they have to ride somewhere, but pick better roads to do it on.

6/16/2009 11:38:00 AM

^^^
The question was:

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"How often do you see normal drivers follow all traffic laws?"

...and you replied:

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"every damn day"

First of all, it's drivers, not driver -- so you're gonna have to have at least one more example besides your mother.
Second, do you see your mother and other(s) driving this way "every damn day"
Third, how the fuck do you expect to show how she or the other(s) are "normal drivers"?
In other words, you're completely wrong.
Instead of unsuccessfully trying to back-pedal (pun intended,) why not simply admit that you misspoke?



[Edited on June 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM. Reason : (so fuck you very much)]

6/16/2009 11:38:10 AM

WillyNilly:

So you are trying to argue that riding on the sidewalk is illegal as the reason to riding in the middle of the road, but then when called out about how much bicyclist ALREADY break traffic laws, you argue it's okay because cars do it too?

Why wouldn't you break the laws that increase your safety, rather than the laws that decrease your safety?

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6/16/2009 11:38:15 AM

I think he's saying that the main complaint from many posting is that cyclists break traffic laws, and his rebuttal was that cars break traffic laws too.

6/16/2009 11:41:48 AM

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"So you are trying to argue that riding on the sidewalk is illegal as the reason to riding in the middle of the road"

What he said^

I could care less if cars or bikes break laws. Laws are imperfect. If everyone can be relatively safe, regardless of what laws they are obeying or breaking, then I don't see a problem...

6/16/2009 11:42:14 AM

Right, so he is admitting that cyclist break the law frequently, but at the same time he's saying it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk, so he MUST ride in the middle of the road. He's fucked his entire original argument over.

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6/16/2009 11:43:32 AM

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"but he's saying it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk, so he MUST ride in the middle of the road"

I never said that.
Please address the actual person who said that, and not me. Okay, thanks.

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"so he is admitting that cyclist break the law frequently"

As do cars, and frankly, in and of itself, I don't have a problem with either.

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6/16/2009 11:44:23 AM

KeepYourHead There are only 47 cities bigger than raleigh in the united states. Out of 19,000 US cities that puts raleigh in the top .2%. I think that is enough to qualify it as a major city. I also guarantee many of the 47 above raleigh have ample bike lanes.

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"I gave a solution to the problem in the original post."

all you did was bitch and moan and complain about what you wanted to see. you didn't logistically analyze the situation and come up with a reasonable situation that would actually resolve the negative aspects of bike riding for both riders and cars. the fact that you don't understand the difference here is telling within itself.

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"he cyclist i come across are NOT destination cyclists unless they are doing a superman change in a phone booth."

actually the cyclist in the area you discussed are often destination and ride to work and home. I have coworkers who change from their bike clothes into work clothes when they arrive to work.

6/16/2009 11:45:56 AM

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"I never said that."

Check the 8th post of this thread. You agreed with the person who said that. You are getting completely owned in this thread just like a bicyclist getting run over by a car.

6/16/2009 11:46:25 AM

did Fail Boat get canned, lol

6/16/2009 11:48:26 AM

no, that isn't what he said. i responded with why people ride on the road, since you called it playing in traffic. i was differentiating riding on the road from playing in traffic. he was acknowledging the point.

here is a simple process to make this thread easier for you.

1. read.
2. stop and think.
3. read again.
4. consider not posting
5. profit.

6/16/2009 11:49:35 AM

^
Thank you.


^^^
Here's the post I agreed with:

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"1. its illegal to ride the bike on a sidewalk. 2. perhaps the better solution here would be for people to not drive drunk. 3. so that loose pants do not get caught in the moving parts and cause you to fall in the road. 4. then protest to wake county to create more bike lanes like they have in other major cities. 5. most bike paths are incredibly short and many of the bike paths in raleigh actually extend to major roads for miles at a time."

(for the record, I don't agree with the additional comment about females.)

Besides the fact that agreeing with someone isn't the same as saying it, (why don't you address the person who originally said it, instead of someone else that merely agree?)...
This is what you said I said:

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"but he's saying it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk, so he MUST ride in the middle of the road"

In fact, neither of us said that.
You fail so hard it's funny. You're the one that's been owned, fuckwad.

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6/16/2009 11:51:47 AM

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"First of all, it's drivers, not driver -- so you're gonna have to have at least one more example besides your mother. Second, do you see your mother and other(s) driving this way "every damn day" Third, how the fuck do you expect to show how she or the other(s) are "normal drivers"? In other words, you're completely wrong. Instead of unsuccessfully trying to back-pedal (pun intended,) why not simply admit that you misspoke? "

hahaha...dude are you really going to argue semantics to that extent? secondly my parents live very close to me. so while i might not see her EVERY day as posted or misspoken as you would say i do see her tons and ride in the car with her often enough to offer to drive.

"Second, do you see your mother and other(s) driving this way "every damn day" i have no way of showing proof just like you have NO PROOF of saying other wise. [middle finger]

6/16/2009 11:51:48 AM

Riding on a sidewalk really isnt that great of an idea

You have to watch constantly for pedestrians, its usually bumpy as hell, and most importantly you come to intersections with driveways and other roads all the time. Drivers dont think to look down the sidewalk for oncoming bikes before they pull out, they do look down the road. Pedestrians dont have to worry as much because they are not moving as quickly.

6/16/2009 11:53:11 AM

Okay, so then you should be able to ride your bike on the sidewalk and stay the fuck out of the middle of the road, since laws are of no consequence to you bicyclists.

The original point has been completely discredited now.

If you want to be a dumbass and ride your bike in traffic, go right ahead. It's not a safe thing to do and anyone who does it is a dumbass. That's the bottom line.

^ the same shit can be said for riding on a major highway, just with a much more increased level of dangerousness.

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6/16/2009 11:54:58 AM

^^^
Shut the fuck up. You lost. No one in this thread can't see that.
You clearly said that you see "normal drivers" obeying EVERY LAW, EVERY DAMN DAY.
Just to be clear, your position is that "normal drivers" obey every traffic law. And you see them every day.

You are FUCKING OBVIOUSLY WRONG. And you're trying unsuccessfully to cover your ass.
You fucking fail.
Shut the goddamn fuck up, already. (So predictable. You make a fail statement, and then resort to trolling....)

6/16/2009 11:56:30 AM

The secret of life is a good cup of coffee.
The secret of life getting up early.
The secret of life is staying up late.
The secret of life is try not to hurry.

6/16/2009 11:58:06 AM

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"You clearly said that you see "normal drivers" obeying EVERY LAW, EVERY DAMN DAY."

I see drivers obeying every law every damn day. What is so hard to believe about that? Are you fucking kidding me?

6/16/2009 11:59:37 AM

Did we really need another one of these threads?

6/16/2009 12:00:47 PM

^^
I have never seen a car go the speed limit in my life, not counting funerals or thick traffic.
I see cars turn with no signal, nearly every 30 seconds when driving through town.
I don't know where the fuck you two are driving... (Oh wait, that's right -- you're both just talking out your asses.)


dumb thread. It was over a page ago....

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6/16/2009 12:02:05 PM

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"Okay, so then you should be able to ride your bike on the sidewalk and stay the fuck out of the middle of the road, since laws are of no consequence to you bicyclists. The original point has been completely discredited now. "

The only thing that is consistent about you is that you appear consistently more retarded with every post. its not a matter of laws being of importance or no importance to bicyclists. the point has already been made that drivers break the law as well. should cars not be allowed on the road and instead drive on the sidewalk because the law is of no consequence to them? the side walk is not safe for people who are actively, as opposed to casually, bike riding. just as some drivers break some laws (e.g. speeding) and don't break other motor laws (e.g. drunk driving) there are some bikers who operate that way as well. I, when i bike, do not run red lights, which seems to be the only law you complain about them breaking.

furthermore a negligible amount of bikers actually bike in the middle of the road. this has been exaggerated numerous times in this thread. I've driven through morrisville, rtp, cary and raleigh and have seen numerous bikers and ne'er a time have they truly been in the middle of the road. however, when i do see these bikers i drive patiently, and respect their EQUAL right under the law to the road. if perhaps all drivers would operate with this degree of respect the danger to bikers would be mitigated.

the solution is not as simple as ride on another street because regardless of the street the users of that street will desire the biker to be elsewhere. sidewalks are not the solution. other streets are not the solution. promoting bike lanes on the roads and drivers operating with a degree of respect is the solution.

6/16/2009 12:04:37 PM

6/16/2009 12:06:35 PM

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"The only thing that is consistent about you is that you appear consistently more retarded with every post."

I agree. Especially funny is the part where he claims to have owned me.
Watch this. I'll quit posting in this thread, because it's done, and then he'll get the last word in yet another weak attempt to appear correct. What a fucking loser noob.... (alias?)

6/16/2009 12:07:02 PM

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"You have to watch constantly for pedestrians, its usually bumpy as hell, and most importantly you come to intersections with driveways and other roads all the time. Drivers dont think to look down the sidewalk for oncoming bikes before they pull out, they do look down the road. Pedestrians dont have to worry as much because they are not moving as quickly."

Arg, I'll bite:

1) If you are on a bike and can't notice pedestrians, then you shouldn't be on a bike at all due to failure of observation. I mean really (especially during the day). Noticing children (versus Adults)might be arguable, but then again, are you saying that someone on a bike isn't going to notice a 3-4 foot tree stump that's moving around? Unlikely.

2)Bumpy as hell, sure, but sometimes the roads aren't much better. If you can't handle the terrain, slow down or get off. Simple.

3)Driveways, only if you ride in a residential neighborhood. A person on a bike is going maybe 15mph, 20mph at most? most cars go faster than that thru neighborhoods. Someone backing out of their driveway should be looking for ANY obstacle, whether it's a car or bicycle. And sidewalks aren't but 2-3 feet from the road anyways, so you should still be able to notice them in your line of sight.

This is really a common sense thing. There really shouldn't be an argument on any of these issues, and sadly there are

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6/16/2009 12:07:09 PM

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"the side walk is not safe for people who are actively, as opposed to casually, bike riding."

neither is the road, dumbass!!! That's the whole point.

6/16/2009 12:07:32 PM

^^if you're going to make it an issue of common sense then please utilize some in your post.

a few points of contention.

1) It is not that you can't notice pedestrians its that you have no place to go if there are pedestrians. on a road bike you can't very well get off the sidewalk and hope into the road, especially if you're in a group. kids, people with dogs or baby strollers are all common occurrences over any small stretch of sidewalk.



2)the bumpy with sidewalks is a little different as you'll have huge slabs of concrete pushed up by tree roots or other natural occurrences which is usually a far worse scenario than the cracks you find on the side of the road and far more dangerous at 25mph.

3) I agree someone backing out should be looking for any obstacle, but this often doesn't happen. most drivers pull out to the end of their driveway which extends past the sidewalk. theoretically it sounds reasonable you would be safe from cars there, but it is sadly not the case at all.

your comments here are reasonable, but not really practical.

6/16/2009 12:21:05 PM

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"I have never seen a car go the speed limit in my life, not counting funerals or thick traffic."

You're full of shit.
Or else your only driving experience is in a video game.

6/16/2009 12:24:04 PM

^^ I understand and agree. Riding in packs, yes, definitely stick to the road. Also, I have a xc bike, so I can go offroad if necessary. If you've got one of those touring bikes with the skinny rubber on them, then heck, I wouldn't expect you to be on the sidewalk either. But I do expect you to be able to keep up with traffic responsibly.

I believe both of our points of views are rational. I was speaking more from an individual's point of view rather than group. It's all good friend.

Keep in mind the sewer/storm drains when riding on the side of the road, but meh, that's just being picky.

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6/16/2009 12:36:29 PM

And don't forget to watch out for those big ass cars zooming past you. Also make sure to wear a helmet and your spandex pants, Lance Armstrong.

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6/16/2009 12:38:09 PM

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"1. its illegal to ride the bike on a sidewalk."

no it's not. The NC General Statutes don't prohibit riding on the sidewalk. There are few towns across America that have city ordinances prohibiting bikes on the sidewalk, but that doesn't apply to anywhere around here. The NCDOT bicycle transit guide even says so specifically.

http://www.ncdot.org/transit/bicycle/laws/resources/BikePedLawsGuidebook-Part-4.pdf

The NC General Statutes do specifically tell bicycle riders to stay to the far right, which a lot of the asshats around here fail to do. All it takes is a few faggot posers with something to prove about their biking rights to fuck it up for everyone else that wants to ride peacefully.

6/16/2009 12:39:22 PM

I can't stand you god damned bicycle people being on my god damned roads son.

I almost kill you idiots regularly out in Hillsboro.



I do enjoy coming across you when I'm on my bike though. Then I can get right up next to you son.

6/16/2009 12:40:04 PM

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"Shut the fuck up. You lost. No one in this thread can't see that. You clearly said that you see "normal drivers" obeying EVERY LAW, EVERY DAMN DAY. Just to be clear, your position is that "normal drivers" obey every traffic law. And you see them every day. You are FUCKING OBVIOUSLY WRONG. And you're trying unsuccessfully to cover your ass. You fucking fail. Shut the goddamn fuck up, already. (So predictable. You make a fail statement, and then resort to trolling....)"

haha, i do see other drivers not speeding, using their headlights in the rain and using turn signals correctly daily. my mother is the only person i know that i have pretty much ever seen not break traffic rules including driving 1 mile over the speed limit.

now, is her speedometer correct...i dont know...im not a mechanic so she might speed without knowing it. i hate how i have to cover every single little detail for willy nilly so semantics are not an issue.

now granted im not the traffic police and i dont sit and follow ever single driver i come across and watch them 24 hours a day. your fucking arguement is just as retarded so how about you go and play in traffic on a bicycle during rush hour on a rainy day. sounds like you fail for almost having an aneurysm over this

also, i would like to point out that im an active rider. i ride my mt. bike on trails fairly often but guess what i do. i pack my shit in my car and take it to the trails so i can ride in peace and quite without fearing for my life

[Edited on June 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM. Reason : lol]

6/16/2009 12:40:35 PM

My one gripe with bikers on the road:

Won't (some of) you assholes get reflectors and/or blinkers on the back of your fucking bikes? ESPECIALLY if you're riding down a major thoroughfare before dawn in dark clothing?

But that's less about the biking part and more along the lines of you-deserve-to-get-run-over

6/16/2009 12:45:43 PM

Bunch of fucking bicycle faggots pissing me off riding in the middle of the street. Get the fuck out of the way ASSHOLES!

6/16/2009 12:48:32 PM

My favorite is when I come across a pack fucking running three wide on a back road. You come around a corner and the entire lane is full of spandex and bicycle.

6/16/2009 12:50:05 PM

Don't get too upset, SaabTurbo. You know they can't afford a car and are "destination riding" out to some back woods

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6/16/2009 12:53:58 PM

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"so i can ride in peace and quite without fearing for my life "

I used to be the same way, only biking on trails, its why I am a huge advocate of share the road. A cyclist shouldn't have to tiptoe down the edge of a street in the gutter b/c they are afraid for their life, its sad to me really. When you walk out your front door you should feel you have the freedom to ride anywhere at anytime.

6/16/2009 1:06:27 PM

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"I used to be the same way, only biking on trails, its why I am a huge advocate of share the road."

Why son? Sharing the road with vehicles that are capable of far exceeding your speed and can easily out-accelerate you sounds like it's going to create traffic problems and dangers to me. You need to be in your own bike lane if you want that shit on the street. If you don't have a bike lane then get off the road, because you don't get to fuck with my lane son. You shouldn't be sharing the road with motorized vehicles son, because you can't keep up with them or stay out of their way.

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"A cyclist shouldn't have to tiptoe down the edge of a street in the gutter b/c they are afraid for their life, its sad to me really. "

And why is that? You aren't entitled to this in any way. Honestly, you should be scared and you should be riding next to the gutter, because to do otherwise would be retarded son.

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"When you walk out your front door you should feel you have the freedom to ride anywhere at anytime."

Again, why? Why should you feel that you have the freedom to ride anywhere, anytime? Are you saying you should feel that you're free to ride onto the White House lawn at midnight? I suggest trying this stuff out rather than just "feeling it" son, since we all owe you this freedom apparently.

6/16/2009 1:12:01 PM

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"When you walk out your front door you should feel you have the freedom to ride anywhere at anytime."

entitled much?

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6/16/2009 1:12:25 PM

Yes, you mongloids... the Law entitles cyclists the same safety and freedom as any other vehicle on the road.

Practically speaking, I avoid riding on busy roads whenever I can, but when I don't have a choice... then I will gladly hinder every fuckhead with a tiny dick in an oversized hummer getting 10mpg that barely fits the lane. Tough shit if you have to wait an extra 30 seconds before there is room to safely pass me.

6/16/2009 1:44:49 PM

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"Tough shit if you have to wait an extra 30 seconds before there is room to safely pass me."

Yes, and tough shit if you die because my "hummer" doesn't want to wait that additional 30 seconds required to "safely" pass you.

HAHA MOTHERFUCKER.

6/16/2009 1:46:17 PM

^^oh, so that's why i see so many bicycles on I-540 on the way to work every morning...

[Edited on June 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

6/16/2009 1:46:28 PM

You don't see mopeds or scooters on 540 either, but noone is saying shit about them in this thread.

6/16/2009 1:50:02 PM

That's because it's illegal to operate anything that can't reach 45mph on an interstate-type highway son (Including yourself son). The minimum speed limit on interstate-type highways is 45mph and that's why you don't see scooters, mopeds, tractors, pedestrians or bicycles out there legally.

6/16/2009 1:51:15 PM