Idiocracy has it right

8/1/2009 5:01:33 PM

You read that right Ambrosia, told you my mom was fucked up.

She has rheumatoid arthritis. She'd make her hands hurt cutting out shit for the kids to glue together on Saturday. On Sunday she'd teach children's church and spend the rest of the day in bed while my dad made me and my brother entertain ourselves after cleaning the house. We lived on the coast (under 30 mins to the beach) and I only went to the beach once every couple years or so as a kid.

8/1/2009 5:02:39 PM

I was raised in a very religious family. things went good things went bad. but overall i think my upbringing was a positive experience. does religion probably play a part in that. i'd say so. do i think my life would have sucked if my parents were atheist. hell if i know. i could have been just fine.

but i do think that we can all agree that your experience was much less than ideal

8/1/2009 5:02:55 PM

Yeah, I read it right.

That you consider any diversion of attention from you to be "abandonment".

8/1/2009 5:03:41 PM

^^youre on point today d00d.



[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM. Reason : jhjjh]

8/1/2009 5:03:44 PM

No, I don't consider any diversion of attention to be abandonment.

I consider her getting annoyed at me and my brother when we wanted to go do things abandonment. When spending the weekend preparing for church was more important than spending it with her own kids. If it was just once in a while fine, but every fucking weekend was a bit much.

8/1/2009 5:08:05 PM

have you talked to your parents about this much?

8/1/2009 5:09:12 PM

It's still not abandonment.
And neither is this:

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"I consider her getting annoyed at me and my brother when we wanted to go do things abandonment"

Maybe you should take a gander at a dictionary.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM. Reason : fdf]

8/1/2009 5:09:23 PM

To be completely honest, after reading this:

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"NEver would have set foot in Christian school. Never would have had my mom abandon me and my brother every weekend to prepare for teaching children's church or sunday school Never would have been dragged to church 3x a week and maybe could have done something more normal like sports instead Never would have been home schooled with religious textbooks, which is damn near career suicide before you even start if you want to go into biology or a related field. Wouldn't have had parents that gave their money away to everyone else before deciding they didn't have enough left to help pay for college."

.. it sounds like you're a tad bit selfish. I understand why you're upset about some of those things, but you being mad about them donating their money is a little strange if you ask me. You obviously got to go to college either way so I don't understand why you're bringing up the fact they didn't have enough to pay for it themselves -- it's called grants and loans. Lots of people have them.



As far as being forced to go to church, my parents never really made me go until my college years and even then it wasn't a forcing situation, more of a "we'd prefer you to go" thing.

I guess it's hard to force your kid to go to church when you can barely muster up the energy every Sunday morning after working at a bar?

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM. Reason : .]

8/1/2009 5:11:57 PM

Tried to talk to mom about it. She said she'd feel awful if one of the kids in church died without being saved. I asked her how she'd feel if I died without a mom and she just ignored me. She absolutely cannot grasp that anything other than shoving her extremist religious views down my throat is good parenting.

8/1/2009 5:12:33 PM

i thought there were regulations and guidelines to being homeschooled

8/1/2009 5:17:17 PM

I feel for these people who had to go to church multiple times a week, every week. Seriously, they missed a lot of good TV.

8/1/2009 5:20:21 PM

Samwise, I'll make it simple.

What if your employer suddenly started giving half of your check to their charity of choice and said god will take care of you. You can work it out. How would you like that? That's pretty much what happened to me. The money the fafsa said they were supposed to pay disappeared. I made it through college because I never ate out or went to bars and missed out on the whole college experience. I'm glad I have a degree, but if I had to do it again I'd have said fuck it and gotten emancipated then stolen my dog back. Hindsight is 20/20. The only reason I made it through undergrad was thanks to a private scholarship I got. It really saved me and was absolutely amazing. It was $4k a year but it made all the difference in the world. I think when I die whatever money I have will go into a fund to provide scholarships for emancipated minors or something.

8/1/2009 5:20:57 PM

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" The only reason I made it through undergrad was thanks to a private scholarship I got. It really saved me and was absolutely amazing. It was $4k a year but it made all the difference in the world"

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"What if your employer suddenly started giving half of your check to their charity of choice and said god will take care of you. "

How do you know that wasn't god taking care of you?

8/1/2009 5:23:52 PM

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"i thought there were regulations and guidelines to being homeschooled"

Varies by state.

In SC you just have to take an end of the year multiple choice test. You can be in the bottom 10% and not even so much as get a request from the state for a review of your records. It's bullshit and not really regulation at all. Pretty much all you have to do is randomly fill bubbles and you'll get to go to the next grade and not have the state review your records.

8/1/2009 5:24:02 PM

nm

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:24 PM. Reason : wow]

8/1/2009 5:24:32 PM

Seriously? You're complaining because they gave money to a church instead of you? I would NEVER expect my parents to pay for my education.

8/1/2009 5:25:48 PM

it's not a right. that's what i don't understand from this whole situation. my mom helped me get loans. i worked my ass off to pay for books and rent and what not. when i graduated, my mom gave me the loans to pay off.

YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A DAMN THING

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:27 PM. Reason : k]

8/1/2009 5:26:42 PM

you should probably give that money to your children who will need it to eat out and go to bars in college.

no but seriously. its not the same as an employer. your parents are not your employer. your employer doesn't give you money. you work for wages. its different.

i do believe that they messed with ya financially. but then again there are people who go to college with no scholarships and work full time jobs because their parents just didn't want to pay. they had the money and didn't want to do it.

eitherway i think a better example would be "your grand mother died and left all of her money to poor children in the hood. but she knew you needed the money to go to school because it'd be really really hard for you to make it through without it."

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:29 PM. Reason : they really should strengthen homeschool regulations if they are going to keep it in general.]

8/1/2009 5:27:49 PM

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"How do you know that wasn't god taking care of you?"

It was drunken golfers. Seriously, it was sponsored by a local golf tournament. Small town. I knew most of the kids at the scholarship ceremony from elementary school. Given the # of high school seniors in the area and my SAT scores there wasn't much of a question I'd get it. Nothing to do with god.

8/1/2009 5:28:55 PM

Still missing the point.

8/1/2009 5:30:18 PM

how did you get good SAT scores with such a horrid education?

8/1/2009 5:31:01 PM

I taught myself and have always been in the top 10% on standardized tests. It's a measure of how well you take tests, not how well educated you are. My subject test scored sucked so much ass it wasn't even funny thanks to my education, but my general test results were still up there.

EDIT: I had to pick the schools I applied to based on which ones didn't require subject tests.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:36 PM. Reason : ...]

8/1/2009 5:34:27 PM

oh no, parents have some control over the lives of their children when they are less than 16. damn, what a horrible thing!

btw, "freedom of religion" applies to the GOVERNMENT NOT FORCING RELIGION ON ANYONE, dipshit. what a fail of a thread

8/1/2009 5:38:42 PM

how did you teach yourself? i'm curious of the process. I mean i can teach myself stuff now but it is much harder as a kid.

either way you are going to have to forgive your mother at some point in time. lack of forgiveness is bad for the soul.

8/1/2009 5:41:07 PM

I have no soul.

I cracked open a text book and read it. Do I really need to explain this?

8/1/2009 5:43:11 PM

so is being a selfish bitch

8/1/2009 5:44:44 PM

There is such a huge difference between faith and religion...

Religion is man seeking God

Faith is God seeking man

When man seeks God, he ends up with no god or many gods. When God seeks man, he is the true God.

Religion is a man-made and man-controlled version of God that suits man’s worldly desires and will.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

8/1/2009 5:46:41 PM

i'm just saying as a kid it would be harder because normally you are only really given the resources that your parents provide for you. if you were in school with your parents... extra textbooks wouldn't really be easily accessible. stuff like that.

i dunno gurl, i went to public school. were they give you everything. you learn what they give you. then you unlearn it in college.

8/1/2009 5:46:49 PM

Its totally legit. Parents can force their kids to do anything.

8/1/2009 5:48:31 PM

Guys, this is the same idiot that wanted a settlement for pain and suffering after a flight that had turbulence. of course she is selfish and has a sense of entitlement.

As for Willy Nilly, and I am sure he already knows this, freedom of religion only applies to the government being able to restrict or force its citizens to participate. Since the government isn't forcing children to do a damn thing, then I'd say those children have freedom of religion.

The idea that children, with a halfway developed frontal cortex, should be expected or allowed to decide anything--especially while they are leeching off their parents-- is laughable.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 5:53 PM. Reason : d]

8/1/2009 5:53:23 PM

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"Thumper, I'm not sure if I made more than $6k a year. If I did I'm not above threatening them with an audit to get back what they owe me. Will have to go check, thanks for the idea. "

Ok, just an FYI, the IRS isn't just going to audit your parents over some boo hoo family bullshit. They can only audit for the previous three years UNLESS it can be proven that 25% or more of their income was not reported. Good luck with that.


Kids need to shut the fuck up. You have minimal rights in the country until you are 18. Get over it and do what you are told.

8/1/2009 5:54:35 PM

to me, the concept of natural selection keeps me in line more than the fear of god.

8/1/2009 5:56:04 PM

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"Samwise, I'll make it simple. What if your employer suddenly started giving half of your check to their charity of choice and said god will take care of you. You can work it out. How would you like that? That's pretty much what happened to me. The money the fafsa said they were supposed to pay disappeared. I made it through college because I never ate out or went to bars and missed out on the whole college experience. I'm glad I have a degree, but if I had to do it again I'd have said fuck it and gotten emancipated then stolen my dog back. Hindsight is 20/20. The only reason I made it through undergrad was thanks to a private scholarship I got. It really saved me and was absolutely amazing. It was $4k a year but it made all the difference in the world. I think when I die whatever money I have will go into a fund to provide scholarships for emancipated minors or something."

And I'll make it simple for you -- there are many of us out there who have heard the words "Maybe this is in God's plan" when a rough situation arose. Grow up, deal with it, and move on. Life isn't easy and paying for college isn't always easy but many people find ways around it.

Also, comparing your family to your employer is different. Your family was giving you money for college, whereas with your employer you would be working and earning said monies. I think the real issue is you're just a selfish bitch.

8/1/2009 6:12:58 PM

^ nail ---> head

8/1/2009 6:15:25 PM

Playing the victim until the strings on the violin break, ITT.

8/1/2009 6:22:55 PM

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"Its totally legit. Parents can force their kids to do anything."

Oh, really?

8/1/2009 6:34:54 PM

^I doubt he meant it literally, absent of sarcasm.

8/1/2009 6:38:56 PM

My parents told me it was god's fucking plan for them to give money to random hos that claimed to have found god instead of helping me pay for college. Or whatever the hell their church does with all the money they get.

Until my parents die, you can shove that god's plan bullshit up your ass. No fucking "good" god would have their followers do the bullshit that I have had to deal with. It's a lie that I want no part of. I'm done with church. I've heard enough lies to last me a lifetime.

8/1/2009 6:42:04 PM

^Do you really think that's what church's do with tithing money?

8/1/2009 6:44:39 PM

No, they give it to the leaders of the southern baptist convention, who then redistribute it to "mothers in need" by the dollar bill, in strip clubs.

8/1/2009 6:47:14 PM

You sound irate, so much so that you sound resentful of life. Perhaps you should go outside and sit down in the warm air, and listen to the bird songs. Smell the air for the aroma of the plants around you, and feel the grass between your toes.

If you hate life still, then perhaps you need to question what is disturbing you the most and see what you can do to correct it. Are you really so angry at your parents' charity to others that you feel no good in the world?

8/1/2009 6:47:20 PM

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"No, they give it to the leaders of the southern baptist convention, who then redistribute it to "mothers in need" by the dollar bill, in strip clubs. "

I really hope you're not this stupid. Do you not realize that there are costs associated with running a church, and that's predominantly where tithing money goes?

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2009 6:48:19 PM

Yes, like paying for the pastor's house, car, gas, utility bills, and a $50k to $100k salary on top of that.

8/1/2009 6:52:28 PM

^How are you going to pay off your debt?

8/1/2009 6:54:45 PM

Where do you go to church that your pastor makes that much? Maybe that's your problem. Last I checked church's need to be cleaned, church's have utilities, all kinds of people (pastors, secretaries, babysitters) need salaries, church vehicles need gas, meals on wheels needs food... there are a whole lot of things that typically cause churches to need more than what people usually tithe.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 6:56 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2009 6:54:54 PM

Last place my parents dragged me to, the guy was getting everything paid for $50k on top of that and this was back in the 90s. And you wonder why I think their money is better spent on my and my brother's education.

8/1/2009 6:57:28 PM

$50k is not unreasonable for a pastor salary. Especially if he's supporting a family. They pull 40 hour weeks like everyone else. Most making that kind of money have their doctorate. It's not like $50k a year is a huge salary.

Sorry, this thread has gotten off topic. So, I digress. And I do find it sad that your parents owe you money and refuse to pay you back. But I do think you're selfish if you think the money going towards a church is better spent on you because you missed out on "college" and drinking.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2009 6:58:56 PM

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"$50k is not unreasonable for a pastor salary."

Yes. Yes it is.

8/1/2009 7:01:27 PM

^The average senior pastor makes at least that much. I think the nationwide average for senior pastors is $77k. What would you want if you had a doctorate and years of experience? I know I wouldn't be happy if my salary was $50k in 15 years.

[Edited on August 1, 2009 at 7:03 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2009 7:03:28 PM