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"you're having a conversation when you are leaving, then it's entirely possible to forget to tip"

lame excuse

did you forget to pay too?

8/4/2009 11:07:52 AM

i know it's lame, but i'm just saying...it's possible

8/4/2009 11:09:38 AM

I don't think it's okay not to tip when waitstaff get paid below minimum wage.

For bad/wretched service I'd tip about ten per cent but usually I go about twenty.

8/4/2009 11:18:39 AM

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"There's a girl that we usually end up with when we go to trivia who always adds 20% gratuity when we have 8 people or more. Which is fine, I know plenty of places do that. Except she sucks as a waitress and if not for that she'd definitely be getting less than 20%. That and the other waitresses didn't do that shit. Its almost like she adds it because she knows she sucks and we don't tip her well because of it. I definitely don't add any more to the 20%."

If I was guaranteed 20% from a table of 6 or 8, and I had 4-5 other tables that I couldn't add gratuity to, I'd do enough to get by with the party, and take care of the tables that aren't guaranteed money.

8/4/2009 11:19:35 AM

just because the restaurant industry decides to screw their employees doesn't mean I have to make up for it. if you have average service, you get an average tip; above average service then above average tip; below average service, then below average tip. if you completely suck, you don't get shit; that's how it works. It is a servers CHOICE on how to serve and he/she knows the consequences. I don't feel obligated to support their lifestyle nor do I feel obligated to inflate their tip for no reason at all.

8/4/2009 11:22:05 AM

i don't understand rewarding poor service. most waiters/waitresses are raking in the money (relative to people in similar unskilled positions). not getting a tip from a few people because they fucked up won't hurt them. if they keep getting stiffed to the point that it's significantly affecting their income, then maybe they should find a new line of work.

[Edited on August 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM. Reason : ^yeah, what he said]

8/4/2009 11:22:29 AM

I agree with Sayer on that one...its basic business sense

8/4/2009 11:23:09 AM

i guess if the chef/cook fucks up your order, you should take it out on the waiter/waitress

8/4/2009 11:30:28 AM

^you seem to have a reading disability. we are talking about a server's SERVICE.

8/4/2009 11:31:38 AM

who is we? plenty of people in this thread are talking about if their "experience" is bad

besides, some people would define poor service as going some place really really crowded and then being disappointed that their server can't check on them every 2-3 minutes

[Edited on August 4, 2009 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

8/4/2009 11:36:20 AM

IOP2

8/4/2009 11:38:58 AM

I can't believe I'm agreeing with TreeTwista10 on something, this maybe a first in human history

Bad "experience" and bad "service" are two very different things that many people lump together for some reason.

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"besides, some people would define poor service as going some place really really crowded and then being disappointed that their server can't check on them every 2-3 minutes"

could not have put it any better myself. I'm sorry you had to wait over an hour for a table, that's not my fault, don't take it out on me. I'm sorry your food is taking longer than YOU expected to come out because we're on a two hour wait. That's not my fault, don't take it out on me. You want to drink your diet coke down in 20 seconds? I'm sorry I'm not standing behind you waiting to service your drink like a nascar pit crew. We're on a two hour want and very busy. That's not my fault.

imo america should be like israel, only instead of mandatory military service it should be mandatory food service. I think a lot of people's expectations and attitudes would change for the better.

8/4/2009 11:58:18 AM

i agree, problems in the kitchen aren't the waiter's fault. that's why i clarified in my first post that these things were in fact the waiter's fault.

8/4/2009 11:59:33 AM

I've worked in the food industry before. But I still have high standards of service and deal out the proper consequences when needed.

An no one expects a drink refill every 20 seconds. It's the 5 minutes of bone dry glass that pisses people off. You're not a good server if you're not at least observing each of your tables everytime you're on the floor and being on the floor constantly. I can't tell you the number of times I've been at a place where the server hasn't been by my table for 5-10 minutes, while glasses are empty, comes to the table next to ours and doesn't even observe our table. Be on top of the game; observe your tables, if you see a need, address it then. If you're truly too busy to get to your tables that often, then that's your problem, take it up with a manager.

8/4/2009 12:03:27 PM

Tipping, by definition, is money given to server/attendant/whoever at the discretion of the tipper for a job well done. It's assumed, at least in our society, that one should almost always tip, but that doesn't mean it's required. I would say that it's acceptable not to in extreme cases, but also in poor form.

8/4/2009 12:23:54 PM

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8/4/2009 12:31:59 PM

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"everything on the menu was like $10+ i was actually kinda shocked http://www.abuelos.com/ "

i just said that because abuelo means grandpa

8/4/2009 12:35:46 PM

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"If the service is bad, he gets 10%. "

8/4/2009 12:37:49 PM

oh

Ernie's complaining again

8/4/2009 1:11:07 PM

I've had service so bad on two occasions that I've walked out without paying. Sometimes just stiffing them on the tip isn't enough.

8/4/2009 1:14:46 PM