Quote :

"I would like to have a serious conversation, but I'm just sick of being trolled. And, yes, I'm aware that I should just let it go--fuck 'em, though."

I don't think anyone who throws the personal insults around like you do is interested in serious conversation.

joe schmoe felt compelled to point out when you actually made a pleasant post (or at least non-abrasive post): message_topic.aspx?topic=573780&page=1#13175737

[Edited on August 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM. Reason : ]

8/21/2009 7:42:53 PM

^ Opinions vary.

8/21/2009 7:45:10 PM

You making a pleasant post is extraordinary enough that people noticed and felt the need to comment on it.

You should probably think about that.

8/21/2009 7:51:45 PM

Quote :

"I would like to have a serious conversation, but I'm just sick of being trolled. And, yes, I'm aware that I should just let it go--fuck 'em, though. "

Sick of being trolled? Are you drunk? Did you get your adderall mixed up with your viagra, go to fuck your wife and suddenly start flipping the hell out?

You said

Quote :

"Education administrators are some of the highest paid employees in the nation."

And that is categorically false.

Then, you took the biggest backpedal I've ever seen and tried to claim that Bowles said it.

You

EPIC

FAILED.


Just who the fuck do you think we are? We all see the strict adherence to grammar and formality in your posts and we all know if you wanted to convey to us something Bowles said, it would be quoted, or bolded, or italicized or some other indication to let us know that it was his words, not yours.

No.

You did none of that.

They were your words.

And you got it

Dead


....



Fucking


....


Wrong.


You stupid, shriveled balls, ugly, piece of angry, sad, shit.

8/21/2009 9:46:55 PM

Fail Goat Tumor

8/22/2009 8:51:11 AM

Calm down Jeffrey.

8/22/2009 9:27:41 AM

Education Administrators

Quote :

"According to a survey of public schools, conducted by the Educational Research Service, average salaries for principals and assistant principals in the 2006-07 school year were as follows: Principals: Senior high school............................................................$92,965 Jr. high/middle school........................................................87,866 Elementary school..............................................................82,414 Assistant principals: Senior high school............................................................$75,121 Jr. high/middle school........................................................73,020 Elementary school..............................................................67,735 According to the College and University Professional Association for Human Resources, median annual salaries for selected administrators in higher education in 2006-07 were as follows: Chief academic officer......................................................$140,595 Academic deans: Business.........................................................................$135,080 Arts and sciences..............................................................121,942 Graduate programs...........................................................120,120 Education.........................................................................117,450 Nursing.............................................................................112,497 Health-related professions................................................110,346 Continuing education.........................................................99,595 Occupational studies/vocational education........................83,108 Other administrators: Chief development officer..............................................$125,000 Dean of students.................................................................80,012 Director, student financial aid............................................68,000 Registrar.............................................................................66,008 Director, student activities..................................................50,000 Benefits for education administrators are generally very good. Many get 4 or 5 weeks of vacation every year and have generous health and pension packages. Many colleges and universities offer free tuition to employees and their families."

http://www.bls.gov/oco/pdf/ocos007.pdf



The above graph shows the number earning the amount shown on the graph or more.



This graph shows the percentage of persons and households in each of the income groups shown.

http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new06_000.htm (Both graphs above.)



UNC system-specific information:

Administrator growth outpaces teachers at UNC
Posted: 08/17/2009

Quote :

"Personnel records show significant growth in third- and fourth-tier management jobs. NCSU, for example, had four assistant vice provosts in 2004; last year it had 10. Similarly, the university had five assistant vice chancellors in 2004; last year it had eight. At UNC-CH, in addition to the associate vice chancellor growth, the number of assistant vice chancellors grew from zero to 14 in that period. (In the university pecking order, an associate outranks an assistant.) None of these administrators made less than $75,000 last year, except for a part-time assistant vice chancellor at NCSU who worked half-weeks for $69,000."

Quote :

"At UNCG, an information technology director, Gloria E. Thornton, has climbed the administrative ladder since 2005. She is now an associate vice chancellor in IT who earned $159,724 last year; that's $64,774 more than she earned prior to entering upper administration, according to payroll records. Donna Heath, a programmer, saw her pay more than double, to $128,000, when she became an interim associate vice chancellor in information technology services in 2005."

Quote :

"Four years ago, Vicki Pennington was an administrative manager within the provost's office at NCSU. She made $65,866. But when she was promoted to assistant vice provost, her salary shot up more than 20 percent to $80,000. She now makes $105,725 a year. NCSU officials say she has taken on responsibilities of two other assistant vice provost positions that were abolished."

http://tinyurl.com/mdno6j

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 6:47 AM. Reason : Suck eggs. ]

8/25/2009 6:25:28 AM

this is embarrassing......

In a thread about people who make 100's of millions of dollars, your putting up graphs about people who make $50-200k?

8/25/2009 7:57:25 AM

Well, when you make it part of your MO to never concede a losing point, you have to do something when you've been clowned as hard as he has.

8/25/2009 8:35:23 AM

^^ and ^ If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU.

^ And you can eat shit and die regardless, punk. How does it feel to be owned yet again?

8/25/2009 10:01:06 AM

" highest paid employees in the nation " <> "upper percentile of U.S. wage earners"

Try again.

Wtf does "upper percentile" even mean? Me thinks you suck something fierce in the math department.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 10:11 AM. Reason : .]

8/25/2009 10:07:16 AM

^ You "suck something fierce in the [life] department," fuckhead.



If you can't see from the information I've provided that education administrators are--in fact--some of the highest paid employees in the nation, then you're more of a dumbass than I thought. And "upper percentile" is just a figure of speech, doofus.

Either prove me wrong or shut your stupid fucking cock hole.

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU. ^ And you can eat shit and die regardless, punk. How does it feel to be owned yet again?"

8/25/2009 10:33:06 AM

Quote :

"Either prove me wrong or shut your stupid fucking cock hole. "

Prove you wrong? You haven't even proved yourself right yet. You keep posting graphs that contradict what you're trying to say, how fucking stupid do you get JW?

Quote :

"And "upper percentile" is just a figure of speech, doofus."

Holy fuck. Just a figure of speech? So you're somehow trying to put a certain segment of the income earning population in a specific bucket with a figure of speech?

EPIC

FUCKING

FAIL

Try again.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

8/25/2009 10:46:37 AM

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU. ^ And you can eat shit and die regardless, punk. How does it feel to be owned yet again?"

Okay, since shithead above can only throw doo-doo at the issue, here's the reality:

This:

CEO Firings On the Rise As Downturn Gains Steam
JANUARY 13, 2009

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123180675543775591.html

Versus this:

As economy suffers, bureaucratic ranks growing at UNC
University leaders, lawmakers say tough times should bring cuts in bureaucracy.
Aug. 17, 2009

Quote :

"This decade has been good for associate vice chancellors at UNC Chapel Hill. Their numbers have nearly doubled, from 10 to 19, and the money paid to them has more than tripled, to a total of nearly $4 million a year. The university now admits that some of these people were in jobs that were not vital. They represent the rapid management growth in the 16-campus UNC system that has added tens of millions of dollars to annual payrolls."

Quote :

"Administrators are among the best-paid people on the campuses, typically earning $100,000 or more. Systemwide over the past five years, the administrative ranks have grown by 28 percent, from 1,269 administrative jobs to 1,623 last year, UNC-system data shows. That's faster than the growth of faculty and other teaching positions — 24 percent — and faster than student enrollment at 14 percent."

Quote :

"The number of people with provost or chancellor in their titles alone has increased by 34 percent the past five years, from 312 in 2004 to 418 last year. The cost was $61.1 million, up $25 million from five years before."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/892138.html

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 10:59 AM. Reason : STFU. ]

8/25/2009 10:52:28 AM

Quote :

""Administrators are among the best-paid people on the campuses, typically earning $100,000 or more."

I'm glad you underline-bolded this. Maybe it should be italicized as well?
I mean, otherwise, how could anyone possibly figure out that the leaders of a university are getting paid more than their subordinates?

8/25/2009 11:01:11 AM

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 11:04 AM. Reason : The above graph shows the number earning the amount shown on the graph or more.]

8/25/2009 11:03:24 AM

Look, I have no interest in trying to argue whatever new point you're trying to argue.

You said this

Quote :

"Education administrators are some of the highest paid employees in the nation."

WHICH IS A GOD DAMN EPIC MOTHERFUCKING FAIL COOKSLAW

You can keep posting shit that I'm not reading, but it doesn't change the fail you had about 10 posts up.

8/25/2009 11:04:47 AM

^ Prove it, asshole, or shut your stupid fucking mouth, got it?

8/25/2009 11:07:05 AM

Quote :

"The above graph shows the number earning the amount shown on the graph or more."

1) no, the "above graph" shows the households earning above the amount shown on the graph, seeing as how you pulled that graph from the wikipedia household income article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

2) According to the personal income article, Fail Boat and I were earning in the top 9% of individual incomes at our last job. Do you want to start a new thread about us?

8/25/2009 11:09:58 AM

CEO, CFO, COO, CTO, VP, DIRECTOR Pay >>>>>>>> Education Administrator pay.

QED.

QFT:

Quote :

"CEO, CFO, COO, CTO, VP, DIRECTOR Pay >>>>>>>> Education Administrator pay. "

8/25/2009 11:11:07 AM

^^ And it reflects the numbers in this graph. And, yes, I had an education professor at State who used to incessantly hammer home how making $80,000 a year put you in the top ten percent of wage earners (like it was a crime)--she was a far-left loon, too.

And there's this:

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU. ^ And you can eat shit and die regardless, punk. How does it feel to be owned yet again?"

8/25/2009 11:16:19 AM

Why do you guys expect hooksaw to understand math? His grasp of scientific and mathematical concepts has always been tenuous, at best. Just look at the global warming thread for more evidence of this.

8/25/2009 11:19:29 AM

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU. ^ And you can eat shit and die regardless, punk. How does it feel to be owned yet again?"

8/25/2009 11:22:23 AM

Define what upper percentile is first you math challenged dipshit.

8/25/2009 11:28:09 AM

^ 1. Fuck you, you bald-headed troll.

2. Top 25 percent of wage earners.

As any rational person can see. . .

Occupational Employment and Wages, May 2007
11-9032 Education Administrators, Elementary and Secondary School

Quote :

"Annual Wage (Percentile): $52,940 (10%) $65,210 (25%) $80,580 (50% - Median) $98,480 (75%) $117,740 (90%)"

http://www.bls.gov/oes/2007/may/oes119032.htm

Occupational Employment and Wages, May 2008
11-9033 Education Administrators, Postsecondary

Quote :

"Annual Wage (Percentile): $45,050 (10%) $58,940 (25%) $80,670 (50% - Median) $113,860 (75%) $160,500 (90%)"

http://www.bls.gov/oes/2008/may/oes119033.htm

. . .the annual wages for education administrators at the elementary, secondary, and postsecondary levels are well above the top 25 percent of U.S. wage earners considering this. . .



Median personal income for the population age 25 or older.

http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032006/perinc/new03_000.htm

. . .and many are even well within the top ten percent of U.S. wage earners. . .

Quote :

"The top 10 percent, roughly those earning more than $100,000. . . ."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html

If you can't--or won't--see this now, I'm not going to address it any further. I have proved my point beyond any shadow of a doubt, and you have done nothing but but blab and fling doo-doo.

And there's always this:

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU. ^ And you can eat shit and die regardless, punk. How does it feel to be owned yet again?"

8/25/2009 3:10:05 PM

Quote :

"And "upper percentile" is just a figure of speech, doofus."

Wow.

8/25/2009 3:41:58 PM

^ Yes, now you have it. Would you mind addressing the information in my post or are you just going to point and say "Doo-doo head," too?

8/25/2009 3:56:25 PM

Haha, I guess any percentile above the bottom .00000~01 could technically be and "upper percentile."

I especially loved where hooksaw complained about name-calling.

8/25/2009 4:08:44 PM

^^you from earlier today in the healthcare thread:

"You're obviously stupid. NC State does not require students to have health insurance, dummy."

when he didn't happen to know that ncsu was in the minority of the unc system schools in not requiring health insurance for their students.

8/25/2009 4:11:05 PM

Quote :

"^^ Yes, now you have it. Would you mind addressing the information in my post or are you just going to point and say 'Doo-doo head,' too? "

Quote :

"^ If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU."

Wow, all the moonbats are swooping in--I must've really hit a nerve. And no one has proved me wrong yet.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:14 PM. Reason : .]

8/25/2009 4:12:40 PM

what's your definition of "upper percentile" if it isn't actually the top 1% since you want us to prove something?

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ^we just like to laugh when you complain about someone calling you names.]

8/25/2009 4:13:59 PM

^ See 2 above. Pay attention.

Quote :

"Top 25 percent of wage earners."

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/25/2009 4:14:47 PM

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ^then why didn't you say that to begin with? oh right. because you're backpedaling.]

and it's comedy gold when you say "25% as any rational person could see" and then post numbers where the highest paid 10% is the top category.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/25/2009 4:16:47 PM

^ WTF are you babbling about? I have maintained that education administrators are some of the highest paid employees in the nation--and I've proved it here over and over again. What am I backpedaling about, liar?

(1) I'm only addressing you and a couple others because you just came into the conversation. And (2) all you're doing is trolling--none of you can prove me wrong and you know it. You just can't stand it, though, so now you're just flinging shit.

And there's always this:

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU."

8/25/2009 4:24:52 PM

i'm just making fun of you for saying that 25% = 1%. and claiming that it should be obvious to everyone else.

top percentile (ie what percentile actually means. 1%) is $350,000 + according to the us census bureau in 2005.

and this website shows median salaries for education administrators for secondary and elementary schools as topping out around $100,000 per year (with 20 years experience):

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Education_Administrator,_Elementary_and_Secondary_School/Salary

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/25/2009 4:27:23 PM

^ You came up with 1%--it has no meaning in this discussion.

Try to focus:

Median personal income (annual) for U.S. population over age 25 (full-time): $43,317

Median annual wage for Education Administrators, Elementary and Secondary School: $80,580

Median annual wage for Education Administrators, Postsecondary: $80,670

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU."

8/25/2009 4:30:45 PM

are you just saying that they make more than average now? i'll agree with you there.

but you'll have to address:

Quote :

"Education administrators are some of the highest paid employees in the nation."

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM. Reason : .]

8/25/2009 4:32:11 PM

1. Education administrators do make too much, but their salaries don't even begin to compare to CEO pay.

2. Suggesting that education administrators need their compensation investigated is silly because we already know their salaries. It's a matter of public record.

3. Suggesting the House Committee on Energy and Commerce should limit the pay is also silly since education administrators are state employees, and their pay is already limited by their respective states.

4. "Upper percentile" is not a figure of speech.

That's just a brief summary of all the points that hooksaw is continuing to ignore in this thread. Instead, we're getting treated to arguments that include the words, "stupid fucking stooge who never does anything but talk out of his ass" and "eat shit and died in a house fire, you bald-headed idiot troll fuck."

8/25/2009 4:37:25 PM

1. The latter part of that sentence is irrelevant. It's not what's being argued. (And the former is a normative statement and is unprovable.)

2. I didn't call for an investigation. I simply sarcastically questioned whether there would ever be a call for an investigation and salary limits by the House Committee on Energy and Commerce--I did this to make a point.

3. And? Private companies set their own salaries, too. What gives the House Committee on Energy and Commerce the right to force companies to limit their executives' compensation? Because of federal money? Educational institutions also receive all sorts of federal money.

4. Yes, in this context it is. I was simply using the expression in a nonliteral way--if you don't like it, I don't really give a good goddamn.

^^ I already did--read or piss off.

Quote :

"If either of you can prove that education administrators are not in the upper percentile of U.S. wage earners, feel free to do so. Otherwise you can STFU."

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM. Reason : PS: ]

8/25/2009 4:49:54 PM

Why are we equating salaries less than $200,000 with salaries greater than $2,000,000?

8/25/2009 5:45:46 PM

^ 1. Who the fuck is "we"?

2. My position was and is clear:

Quote :

"Education administrators are some of the highest paid employees in the nation."

3. No one can dispute this ^ fact, including you.

8/25/2009 6:04:07 PM

Education administrators don't come close

Average Chancellor salary, 238,341

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_ED03000017.html

Average CEO salary of the S&P 500 15.2 million

http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/ceo-executive-compensation-lead-07ceo-cx_sd_0503ceocompensationintro.html

Since you're math challenged, I did the ratio for you, that is 63.77 times what Chancellors make.

And since you'll probably cry that I picked a bubble year, we can go back to 2006 where the stock options weren't as valuable and see it was still 8.7 million, a paltry 36.5 times.

8/25/2009 6:13:59 PM

also

Your comparing education administrators that probably have some graduate degree or education to the gamut of american workers, a large portion of which are not educated. A better comparison would be education administrators to other workers with similar education.


Im not saying that makes the administrators any more competent or productive than an uneducated worker, but in most cases people with a higher education are going to make more money.

8/25/2009 6:14:35 PM

Quote :

"3. No one can dispute this ^ fact, including you."

No, I'm pretty sure we've been disputing it all along. And now you have the obvious proof. So go fuck yourself.

8/25/2009 6:14:56 PM

8/25/2009 8:10:29 PM

holy shitty graphing batman. some of these graphs in this thread look like they were created by retarded 2 year old monkeys.



number of monkeys versus the amount spent on these graphs

8/25/2009 8:45:15 PM

Quote :

"^ You came up with 1%--it has no meaning in this discussion."

You were the one saying the top percentile. It's not just a figure of speech, as you say, it means, well, THE TOP PERCENTILE. Everybody above the 99th percentile.

8/25/2009 8:52:35 PM

Im fairly certain cookslaw devotes a certain percentage of his posts here to trolling in this fashion.

No one can be this fucking stupid this consistently.

Or can they?

8/25/2009 8:55:34 PM

You fuckers keep up the clown parade. It's like watching a freak show.

^^ This is the position, dummy:

Quote :

"Education administrators are some of the highest paid employees in the nation."

Feel free to prove this wrong or STFU. And none of you can and you know it.

Quote :

"Your comparing education administrators that probably have some graduate degree or education to the gamut of american workers, a large portion of which are not educated."

TerdFerguson

Are you stupid or something? This comparison is the very point.

8/26/2009 7:22:42 AM

Education administrators don't come close

Average Chancellor salary, 238,341

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_ED03000017.html

Average CEO salary of the S&P 500 15.2 million

http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/ceo-executive-compensation-lead-07ceo-cx_sd_0503ceocompensationintro.html

Since you're math challenged, I did the ratio for you, that is 63.77 times what Chancellors make.

And since you'll probably cry that I picked a bubble year, we can go back to 2006 where the stock options weren't as valuable and see it was still 8.7 million, a paltry 36.5 times.

8/26/2009 7:57:55 AM