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"In my opinion, sony just did too little too late and completely lost out on the online community. Stuff like Achievements, being able to send/receive messages to your friends while playing a game just to name a few are reasons why Live was more successful."

you can do all of those things on the PS3


and I dont consider the PSHome or the online game matching a shitty service

Maybe it was in the beginning but it is pretty solid now.

[Edited on October 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2009 3:02:08 PM

also as an FYI, Netflix (as well pretty much every other online streaming service) is available on both consoles via Playon. It's not as slick as the 360s implementation, and you don't get HD, but it works. You just need a PC on the network to setup the media server on.

10/23/2009 3:41:24 PM

^^hence the TOO LATE part. because i didn't say they didn't do it. It just took them so long to offer what Xbox offered in 2005.

^lol.

[Edited on October 23, 2009 at 3:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2009 3:49:32 PM

playon isn't very reliable, half the time i get weird errors. its a non-issue though, after a couple months with netflix you've already seen the only decent instant watch movies

10/23/2009 3:52:40 PM

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"got both... 360 by a lot... not even close"

I love these kinds of posts. Like there really is that much difference.

Games that are on both systems like COD are almost identical.

Therefore unless you have a choice in games like Halo, Gears, etc or Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, MLB the Show......then there is only the difference in hardware and online.

I have played both a good deal and say PS3 because of the reasons listed: Blu-Ray, free online, etc.

[Edited on October 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM. Reason : fanboys on both sides are dumb just like politics]

10/23/2009 4:30:11 PM

^not an accurate statement at all. but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. *shrug*

Quote :

"hardware and online"

Hardware makes no difference because as you just said...all the cross platform games are identical on both systems...

[Edited on October 23, 2009 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2009 4:31:42 PM

^ that's my entire gripe with the PS3 situation. Any game designed to maximize on the hardware superiority of the PS3 has to be a console exclusive.

If the GTA series was still a Playstation exclusive, the system would be performing much better in the marketplace.

10/23/2009 4:39:40 PM

PS3 doesn't really have the hardware superiority they claim to have (or people think they have).

The biggest advantage is having larger disc size without having to use multiple discs.

Most everything else is pretty similar.

10/23/2009 4:45:22 PM

What IS the hardware difference? I'm not educated when it comes to these things, but have always heard the PS3's graphics hardware was beyond the 360.

Can someone speak to this?

10/23/2009 4:54:31 PM

I know this sounds trivial but the main reason that I don't like the PS3 is the controller, just personal preference

10/23/2009 5:00:44 PM

Quote :

"^not an accurate statement at all. but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. *shrug*"

What EXACTLY is inaccurate about my statement XBOX fanboy?

10/23/2009 5:08:51 PM

^^ not trivial at all...the controller is hugely important as it is your sole mean of input into the system

Unless you're like Jeepin4x4, who likes to put the controller on his prostate and get hit sticked in Madden so he can feel the vibrations

10/23/2009 5:23:31 PM

I really enjoy all of the content (game demos, videos, awesome arcade games) on the Xbox Live Marketplace, anything comparable on the PS3?

10/23/2009 5:23:52 PM

they have PSN store, but its not nearly as user friendly and takes upwards of 5 minutes sometimes to find a new demo

Maybe its just because I experienced XBL first and got used to it, but imo the PSN store pales in comparison

10/23/2009 5:26:13 PM

^^all of that is on PSstore on PSN

10/23/2009 6:45:27 PM

Quote :

"I know this sounds trivial but the main reason that I don't like the PS3 is the controller, just personal preference"

id say its one of the biggest things to look at with a console. i never bought a dreamcast cuz the controller sucked. i ended up deciding against the ps3 when i heard they werent changing the controller (i let the huge xbox controller go).

10/23/2009 7:59:17 PM

Quote :

"PS3 doesn't really have the hardware superiority they claim to have (or people think they have). The biggest advantage is having larger disc size without having to use multiple discs. Most everything else is pretty similar."

except for failure rates

10/23/2009 8:44:45 PM

^Motherfuckin BURRRRNN! bahaha.

10/23/2009 8:50:34 PM

I have both.
I watch DVDs and blu-rays on my PS3.
I play games, watch Netflix, and chat with my friends on the 360.

There are a hundred little things that the Xbox does better than the PS3:
-PS3 won't recognize song/artist names on an iPod (AAC format).
-PS3 controller recharging is a pain and you can't replace the batteries.
-If you want to use an IR remote (like my badass Harmony 550) you have to buy a bluetooth adapter, and even then it has to use a macro to turn the PS3 off.
-You can chat across games with the 360.
-The PS3 store is a disorganized pile of crap. There are far fewer downloadable titles worth getting compared to Live Arcade.
-The PS3 controller is garbage. The tilt-sensor is useless, the rumble is too weak, the triggers should be banned from all future controllers.
-Microsoft makes a noticeable effort to put content on the 360 dashboard. Major's Minute, Game with Fame, the Guild, contests, etc.

Bottom line:
If you can live without the few PS3 exclusives, but a 360 and build a good Friends list.
If you still need blu-ray, buy a $100 blu-ray player. Unless you have cash to spare and really want to play the PS3's single player offerings.

10/24/2009 1:49:20 AM

Thanks guys. All of this was very helpful for me in deciding. I think I am going to send off my 360 for repair and keep it. LIVE is one of the best things about the system and it doesn't seem PS3 online play is on the same level. Plus, it doesn't require me to shell out $300 bucks.

10/24/2009 11:47:59 AM

Thats the most important thing. If you are happy with the 360 and have the opportunity to have it repaired free of charge then do it. Shouldn't be a second thought.

10/24/2009 3:20:23 PM

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"PS3 controller recharging is a pain"

What? All you do is plug in into the mini-USB hookup. How is that a pain?

Quote :

"The PS3 controller is garbage."

Once again that's your personal opinion. I prefer the smaller and lighter controller.

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"-You can chat across games with the 360."

I think you can do this as well on the PS3 now with their chat system. Granted its not as good.

Bottom line: this is just another guy's opinion who makes stuff up to make his side look better. Its almost like the Soap Box all over when consoles are argued in here.

10/24/2009 3:23:33 PM

Quote :

"What? All you do is plug in into the mini-USB hookup. How is that a pain?"

- You can't plug the USB cable into a powered hub or wall adapter to charge it up. Computers usually work, but the only reliable power source is the PS3 itself.
- The mini-USB cable that is included with controllers is laughably short.
- THE PS3 WON'T CHARGE YOUR CONTROLLER WHEN IT IS TURNED OFF. So you have to leave it on overnight if you want to charge your controllers then.

Quote :

"Once again that's your personal opinion. I prefer the smaller and lighter controller."

Yes those were my opinion, and yes the PS3 contoller is smaller and lighter. The PS3 D-Pad is also much better than the turd of a D-Pad the 360 controller has, but I much prefer the layout of the 360 controller. The buttons are color-coded letters instead of just shapes. The left analog stick is in a more natural position and both sticks have a much more precise feel.

Quote :

" think you can do this as well on the PS3 now with their chat system. Granted its not as good."

You can text chat across games in the PS3, but you can not currently voice chat. There is a rumor that might be included in the next update, but nothing definite yet.
Granted, all my friends are on Xbox Live anyways. I only know 2 people that have PS3s and all they ever do is watch movies.

10/24/2009 5:33:39 PM

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"The buttons are color-coded letters instead of just shapes."

Is this really an issue

10/24/2009 5:35:19 PM

It's not an issue, but in my opinion I prefer color-coded letters over shapes.

If I'm helping one of my parents play a game, I'll tell them to push the green button to jump.

If I want to IM someone with a cheat code or combo sequence it's easier to send:
X-Y-B-B-X-Y
than
square-triangle-circle-circle-square-triangle

It also works better for developers. I'm thinking of control tutorials and things like Guitar Hero.Rock Band controllers.

[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 5:44 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2009 5:42:40 PM

Can we complain about the font that the Playstation logo is set in now

Cause that's really a deal breaker

10/24/2009 5:44:02 PM

They totally stole that font from Spider Man

10/24/2009 5:47:24 PM

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"-PS3 won't recognize song/artist names on an iPod (AAC format)."

I've never tried plugging my iPod into my PS3, but I've copied over a bunch of songs purchased off iTunes over to my PS3 and they all show song name, artist name, and album art.

Quote :

"Computers usually work, but the only reliable power source is the PS3 itself."

I charge mine with my DirecTV DVR.

[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 6:17 PM. Reason : :]

10/24/2009 6:16:16 PM

Xbox Live >>>> PS3's "equivalent". Even though PS3's is free, if you pay the full price of 49.99 a year, that's only ~4 bucks a month. Get one of them on sale for like 30 bucks, and it's less than 3 per month. Is that really a budget breaker? In return for that 4 bucks a month you get more people to play with, better support for the games (games now a days are so far from polished when you buy them for whatever reason, and developers are great about getting title updates out as long as people are playing the games)

When it comes to the hardware, the biggest difference is the blueray player. The slight edge the PS3 has in some areas doesn't matter when games currently won't reach the limits of a new 360 or PS3. Older Xbox's failed more, but you won't have those problems if you get a new elite. PS3 has built in WiFi but I prefer a wired connection anyway. If I really wanted to go wireless I could easily set up an access point that will go faster than the PS3's wireless and the Microsoft one you can buy for 360s.

With games, many of the PS exclusive titles like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid are starting to come to Xbox. Grand Theft Auto already makes for both after being PS exclusive for a while.

Quote :

"Yes those were my opinion, and yes the PS3 contoller is smaller and lighter. The PS3 D-Pad is also much better than the turd of a D-Pad the 360 controller has, but I much prefer the layout of the 360 controller. The buttons are color-coded letters instead of just shapes. The left analog stick is in a more natural position and both sticks have a much more precise feel."

In most Xbox games the D-Pad is either useless, or used for things other than movement. For example in Halo Wars clicking down on the d-pad rotates between squads of your units, clicking left goes to one of your bases, etc. I prefer the analog stick to the d-pad for games movement anyway.

10/24/2009 6:21:35 PM

I use the dpad for some XBLA games like Frogger

10/24/2009 6:35:38 PM

Didn't see it posted yet but Netflix is going to be officially supported by the PS3 by years end.

http://www.netflix.com/InstantStreamingDisc

10/26/2009 1:34:59 AM

Wow, I'm surprised to see so many people liking PS controllers... Compared to every other system, they really are cheaply-produced pieces of shit, though I can totally understand why someone might like the small size and button layout.

If you need any proof of this, just grab the nearest PS-anything controller. Feel how loose the sticks are... move them until you feel any amount of resistance (aside from the tiny amount of static friction, to anyone who is picky about physics). Were you able to move the stick at all away from being absolutely 100% dead center? This is really the best measure you can get of controller production quality (not necessarily how good it is on the whole, but how well it is actually made). The larger the central dead-zone, the less precisely it behaves, thus the worse it is.

The original XBox was actually by far the best controller ever mass-produced in this regard, but unfortunately they were also too fucking huge... even more unfortunately, the 360 controllers, while having better ergonomic design, are of a cheaper manufacturing quality and have less precise sticks, and they lose their precision after less use (though they are still not as imprecise as PS sticks). PS2 and PS3 controllers both have relatively terrible sticks, but frankly this hasn't mattered quite as badly, since many games made (especially for the PS2) relied on the D-pad (more like D-buttons, a pad implies that they're all part of one object) as the main source of movement, and the Xbox ended up getting the better end of the FPS genre, which is really the only thing that is heavily affected by stick-precision.

Speaking of D-pads, Nintendo must have a patent or something on theirs, because it's forcing everyone else to make bad ones. The 360's D-pad is basically just an extremely short stick with an extremely flat and wide head... it's horrible and completely imprecise (which is why no game uses it for anything besides small, quick actions like giving squad commands). Playstation D-pads aren't really pads at all. They're just four separate buttons. This works fine, but it just isn't optimal, as it doesn't allow for quite as much simplicity in rolling one's finger from one direction to another like Nintendo D-pads do. They could probably just stick the buttons closer together, though, and that wouldn't be a problem at all.

There's a lot more to be said on controller design (like size and trigger style), but I don't feel like typing that much shit that no one really cares about. And while battery style and changeability are also important, they aren't what I'm talking about.


Summary:
Ideal controller (designed objectively for both precision and ease-of-use) = Original Xbox sticks + SNES/N64 D-pad + general shape of the 360, but a bit smaller

[Edited on October 26, 2009 at 1:59 AM. Reason : that post was way to long for something so trivial. I wish I worked in this fucking industry]

10/26/2009 1:58:45 AM

Quote :

"[quote]The buttons are color-coded letters instead of just shapes."

Is this really an issue[/quote]

certainly is. I don't play the PS3 nearly enough so while playing uncharted1/2 and a button is flashing on the screen indicating to mash it, the first time through each one of these cut scenes i ended up dying. I'm not familiar with the button layout except for x. At least a color coded button (the whole button) is easier to glance at if need be.

Quote :

"Bottom line: this is just another guy's opinion who makes stuff up to make his side look better. Its almost like the Soap Box all over when consoles are argued in here."

nothing he said was 'made up'.

The controller is a pain to charge because i can't just swap rechargeable batteries and put one in the cradle and one in the controller. If i don't leave my PS3 on all night to charge my controller I'm forced to be tethered to the damn thing while playing until its charged. Also, because its bluetooth (And i hate bluetooth more than anything) I lose sync half the time and have to be tethered to the PS3. I am aware that this might just be an issue with my PS3...but it doesn't surprise me because bluetooth sucks.

Another thing i recently discovered about the PS3 that I don't like is the party system. I have to be in the game to form a party. Took me a while to figure that out when shrike was telling me to accept his party invite and every time i open the party invite notice under messages, it just lets me reply with text. I guess I'm just used to the xbox Live party system.

[Edited on October 26, 2009 at 2:30 AM. Reason : .]

10/26/2009 2:22:12 AM

Quote :

"At least a color coded button (the whole button) is easier to glance at if need be."

I hate to tell you XBOX fanboys but PS3 controllers are color coded too. X is blue, Square is pink, triangle is green, and circle is red.

This argument is pretty dumb. Pick the one YOU want, not what others want.

10/26/2009 3:38:21 AM

Quote :

"Netflix streaming"

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=8914055

Quote :

"PlayStation 3 owners will soon be able to stream movies and TV shows from Netflix to their TVs using the gaming console, just as Xbox 360 owners have been able to do for a year."

10/26/2009 7:56:17 AM

looks like it's going to be a bit of a pain though compared to the Xbox system. Requiring a disc to use it over BD-Live.

Eh, I already ordered my disc.

10/26/2009 8:12:53 AM

Quote :

"certainly is. I don't play the PS3 nearly enough so while playing uncharted1/2 and a button is flashing on the screen indicating to mash it, the first time through each one of these cut scenes i ended up dying. I'm not familiar with the button layout except for x. At least a color coded button (the whole button) is easier to glance at if need be."

So you're saying that the PS3 controller is so complex it inhibits memorization of the button layout? Maybe that one's on you.

10/26/2009 8:38:19 AM

Quote :

"If i don't leave my PS3 on all night to charge my controller I'm forced to be tethered to the damn thing while playing until its charged. Also, because its bluetooth (And i hate bluetooth more than anything) I lose sync half the time and have to be tethered to the PS3. I am aware that this might just be an issue with my PS3"

just buy another controller. Unless you are constantly playing with a friend, which most likely you are not you should always have a spare ready to go. Plus, it doesn't take that long to fully charge a drained controller. I've drained my dual shock and continued playing with the original sixaxis for just about an hour until the dualshock was fully charged and ready to go again. and whoever said the USB cable was "laughably short", that's not Sony's doing...that's the nature of USB interface. You can't have a 15' USB cord. Also, the losing sync..that has to be your PS3. I've had several controllers running and bluetooth headsets all going at once and never had an issue.


and really, if you can't distinguish a square, triangle, circle, or X in nano second then something else is the matter with you.

and lets not forget the colorblind people, what's xbox saying to them!? jk

[Edited on October 26, 2009 at 8:40 AM. Reason : this thread is starting to turn where i really didn't want it to. still civil so far.]

10/26/2009 8:40:11 AM

Quote :

"looks like it's going to be a bit of a pain though compared to the Xbox system. Requiring a disc to use it over BD-Live. Eh, I already ordered my disc."

the press release says "initially", sounds like they are doing this to get this in the customer's hands as quickly as possible. I imagine a big ps3 update will arrive sometime Q1 of next year that will implement netflix fully into the XMB and then no more disc will be required. Until that time, i won't mind getting off my butt to change a disc.

10/26/2009 8:50:29 AM

Quote :

"just buy another controller. Unless you are constantly playing with a friend, which most likely you are not you should always have a spare ready to go. Plus, it doesn't take that long to fully charge a drained controller. I've drained my dual shock and continued playing with the original sixaxis for just about an hour until the dualshock was fully charged and ready to go again. and whoever said the USB cable was "laughably short", that's not Sony's doing...that's the nature of USB interface. You can't have a 15' USB cord. Also, the losing sync..that has to be your PS3. I've had several controllers running and bluetooth headsets all going at once and never had an issue. and really, if you can't distinguish a square, triangle, circle, or X in nano second then something else is the matter with you. "

lol buying a second controller is not a solution. I have no use for two controllers since the only games I've ever played on it (from start to finish) was uncharted 1 and 2. And that wasn't until recently that I actually took the time to beat uncharted.

Quote :

"So you're saying that the PS3 controller is so complex it inhibits memorization of the button layout? Maybe that one's on you."

no...if I only play the console once in a blue moon then 'memorization' isn't going to happen. Just like I can't even begin to tell you how nintendo labels their shit even though I've played the Wii several times and have owned their older systems in the past.

Colorizing the entire button and not just an outline would go along way imo.

10/26/2009 10:37:38 AM

10/26/2009 10:40:01 AM

Were you making a point or just padding as always?

10/26/2009 10:41:11 AM

They should really color that button. I have a hard time memorizing that button.

10/26/2009 10:43:13 AM

Sounds like you have a personal problem.

10/26/2009 10:45:06 AM

Quote :

""If i don't leave my PS3 on all night to charge my controller I'm forced to be tethered to the damn thing while playing until its charged. Also, because its bluetooth (And i hate bluetooth more than anything) I lose sync half the time and have to be tethered to the PS3. I am aware that this might just be an issue with my PS3""

You realize, being USB, the PS3 controller will charge on ANY usb source? I plug mine into the cable box's USB port that's always powered on to charge it. If you have a laptop, just keep that near where you sit and charge it from that. You could plug it into your iPhone's charger to charge it, and it can be charged WHILE you're playing... amazing! And they do in fact make 10+ ft USB cables (some are marketed specifically for the PS3) that will allow you to leave it plugged in to your PS3 while you play, if this is really what you want to do.

And i've never lost sync with my PS3 controller, there may be something wrong with your controller.

And having owned a PS1 back in the days and having played a PS2 extensively, the PS3's button layout is ingrained in my brain.

[Edited on October 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM. Reason : ]

10/26/2009 11:03:40 AM

Quote :

"- You can't plug the USB cable into a powered hub or wall adapter to charge it up. Computers usually work, but the only reliable power source is the PS3 itself. - The mini-USB cable that is included with controllers is laughably short. - THE PS3 WON'T CHARGE YOUR CONTROLLER WHEN IT IS TURNED OFF. So you have to leave it on overnight if you want to charge your controllers then."

you can buy a charger if you want that will still be cheaper than piles of batteries for the 360 and since its USB you can get chargers or cables on the cheap. but why do that if you are like any other tech person and already have a zillion usb cables, sources, and chargers.

Quote :

"The buttons are color-coded letters instead of just shapes"

ps3 buttons are color coded too

Quote :

"I lose sync half the time and have to be tethered to the PS3. I am aware that this might just be an issue with my PS3"

i've never lost sync, talk to sony about that

10/26/2009 11:11:39 AM

Quote :

"Speaking of D-pads, Nintendo must have a patent or something on theirs, because it's forcing everyone else to make bad ones."

I actually think that Nintendo does have some kind of patent. Their D-Pad has always been a simple cross since the days of Game & Watch but if you look at the other console manufacturer's they never have a cross, it is always some variation of it.

10/26/2009 11:19:38 AM

Quote :

"You realize, being USB, the PS3 controller will charge on ANY usb source?"

Yes, luckily I own a 360, so if I want to charge my PS3 controller overnight I will just plug it into my xbox.

Of course, the PS3 not powering it's USB ports when off means that if you have a USB IR receiver for a remote you can't actually turn the PS3 on with it. Only the $70 IR-bluetooth adapters can do that.

10/26/2009 7:12:35 PM

i just spent all of an extra $15 for a charging station for my ps3 controllers... i use them to turn on and off the system, true, a nifty BT/IR remote fully programmable would be much easier but i'm not to that point yet of needing one...

none of the games that are 360 exclusive appeal to me on a console platform (prefer my FPS games and others of that ilk on the PC)

all of the types of games that I do like on consoles (racing, fighting, etc) are on the PS3 either exclusively or are cross platform.

i actually like the ps1/2/3 controllers, maybe i just take better care of mine or something but i've never had issues with the sticks. (only controller with stick issues was the n64 one (it would wear out pretty quick sometimes, but then again i played the hell out of them))

with a blu-ray player and now netflix OD as well as PS3 media server software, along with the combined above I never really had any interest in a 360 at all, except for the #'s of people with them that play some sports leagues (but i don't have the time to play them anyways so it's a wash)

10/27/2009 11:07:31 AM

^those are all the reasons why I like the 360 better, that and I started with a 360 first. So I guess it really depends on which system you bought first. At this point they're almost identical in what they have to offer with the exception of blu-ray.

The main reason I picked up a PS3 was for blu-ray back when it was the cheapest blu-ray player...and because SandSanta had one

and the only exclusive Playstation game i've ever been interested in was the GT series...although after playing forza 2 I haven't enjoyed it as much.

[Edited on October 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2009 11:18:06 AM