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11/17/2009 8:23:15 PM

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"what about going to war...? I figured that'd be a pretty stressful job "

how astute of you. i'm sure you won't meet much opposition on that front.

11/17/2009 8:25:04 PM

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"Average teacher is around 45 to 50 grand"

HA!

try $30k in NC right out of school. for $45k+, you're looking at at least 15 years experience and being National Board certified.
http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2009-10schedules.pdf

it's not just the kids that will make you rip your hair out. it's the awesome parents.

11/17/2009 8:37:44 PM

Stress is different for everyone. The only ones on that list I totally agree with are the worker and maybe assisted living director...they're probably very similar. Social work is a thankless job and you work your ass off for a ton of people who haven't worked a day in their life, only to have them shit all over your efforts by doing drugs, being stupid, getting arrested, etc. I'm sure there are plenty of people who need their help and are doing what they need to do to take care of themselves, but not enough to make the job worth it.

I have a ton of respect for the social workers who do their job and bitch minimally at the hospital. I don't know how or why they do it.

The problem with that list is that people hate their jobs no matter what, and even if they were making a ton more money they still would hate their jobs.

I don't like hearing teachers bitch about money b/c if they do it the right way, they can make a damn good living working 9 months a year, and at least the state teachers in NC retire with great benefits if they put in the time...and 30 years isn't that bad. If you have a masters degree and work 30 years you can retire at 55 with like 70 or 80 percent salary. Plus, if you've worked in the same school system for over 5 years they can't touch you unless you do something like touch a kid. Ridiculous job security, not bad pay for working 9 months a year especially with all certifications and masters degree, and great retirement. I'm sure it can be stressful, I have family members who will attest to that, but there is stress with any job. Of note, I'd be in favor of increasing teacher salary, but its not that bad if you're willing to put in the time.


^I don't think the average is far off of 40. I think most people would take 30K with a 4 year degree right out of school with some room for an increase.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 8:47 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2009 8:44:56 PM

i worked @ a shelter for teens as a residential counselor...job started @ $23k with benefits that were decent, but the hrs were about 55-60hrs/wk. it was waaaay too stressful. also, we had to stay @ the shelter every other weekend, and spend one of the nights there. creepy!

11/17/2009 8:46:17 PM

legal aid

11/17/2009 8:47:34 PM

since when do teachers work 9 months out of the year?


School is in for 10 months, and the 2 summer months are spent taking workshops, developing curriculum, gathering supplies, not to mention working summer jobs to pay the bills (the months we don't get paid) and such.

In fact, the only reason I got to stay home at all during this past summer was because I got the swine flu and I couldn't work at summer camp and be around kids.

I don't mind doing that stuff in the summer, but it is not accurate to say teachers get 3 months off. (and the time we do get "off" we are not paid for.)

11/17/2009 8:51:07 PM

Ok so you have kids in your class for almost 10 months, you get 2 weeks at christmas, and national holidays. I'll give you that you do work in the summer....but I know for a fact you're not working for most of those 2 months. School is out for almost 3, and the people I know usually start badk 2 weeks before the kids come, and do some planning here and there during the rest of the break but its still vacation.

I understand that you're not paid for your "off" time, but your salary is still averaging around 40k. I think it works out to about 20 dollars an hour if you work a 10 hour day 10 months a year and make 40,000....plus the benefits.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 9:00 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2009 8:55:48 PM

my mom was a teacher and worked retail during the summer, christmas break and other school holidays

retail sucks

and being an underpaid teacher sucks

so i wouldn't call that a vacation.

11/17/2009 8:56:48 PM

Teachers are not underpaid. They get 170 days off a year - and only work 6.5 hours when school is in.

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"taking workshops, developing curriculum, gathering supplies, not to mention working summer jobs to pay the bills (the months we don't get paid) and such"

Bullshit. Pure union bullshit.

11/17/2009 9:04:02 PM

RAWR RAWR

11/17/2009 9:05:22 PM

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"and only work 6.5 hours when school is in."

where did you get this number? I am at school from probably 6.45-3.30.

11/17/2009 9:10:30 PM

right.

11/17/2009 9:13:14 PM

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"your job and others like it fall into that category, but there are a lot within the military that are not as stressful. you kind of have to get into specifics with the job rather than just saying "the military" because it encompasses so many positions. that's all i'm saying."

Yeah, although I make decent money (enough that I'm no contender for that list, at least, regardless of job stress. I prob have more stress per dollar than most of those jobs, but that's not what that list is about).

I would say that most very junior military personnel don't have THAT stressful of a job (with stuff like infantry, etc, being the exception)...but then again, their pay is comparable to that of a burger-flipper at McDonald's, which is like orders of magnitude less stress.

In the pay range of most of those jobs, you'd be something like a Sergeant. Some of them have pretty low stress, but I'd say that most of them would be quite stressful compared to the jobs on that list (again, not necessarily due to kicking in doors and getting shot at. Recruiting duty, just as one example, is pretty stressful by most accounts.)

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I don't really view teachers as being underpaid, either. I've thought about maybe being a teacher someday, after I'm done with the military and whatever I do next (maybe engineer/consultant for a defense contractor or some sort of secret-squirrel beltway job for a government agency like the CIA or NSA, or MSIC, etc).

I think being a teacher would be pretty fun/rewarding, with pretty low stress (to me, anyway), and I'd have a ton of time off for travel, having fun, spending time with my daughter, and working on political contacts for making a run at elected office.

Plus, I think that kids need a few people like me to be teachers--people with a ton of life experiences. I think that career teachers are necessary, too, but I could bring a bunch of stuff to the table that they never would be able to.


Oh, and lots of states (NC included, I think) let years of military service count for you on the teacher's payscale...so you end up getting a lot more pay than you otherwise would just starting out (I don't know how it works for retirement).

11/17/2009 9:13:38 PM

6:45-3:30? Call me when you're checking out of work past 8 regularly

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 9:18 PM. Reason : l]

11/17/2009 9:18:08 PM

^i'm glad I am not putting in as many hours as other professions. I just wanted to show that 6.5 hours is not a teachers day

11/17/2009 9:21:12 PM

I have not been home before 3:30 my whole life.

11/17/2009 9:22:14 PM

not even on weekends? sucks to be you



how about at work by 6:45?

11/17/2009 9:23:30 PM

being a troll seems like a stressful job for ggmon - he always seems uptight.

i wonder how much it pays?

11/17/2009 9:23:52 PM

7.50 per hour

11/17/2009 9:24:18 PM

Neurosurgery residents work 100-120 hours a week and get paid about 38-50k for at least 7 years. How's that for low pay and high stress? Thats less than 7 dollars an hour with peoples lives in your tired ass over-caffinated hands

11/17/2009 9:41:02 PM

I usually work from 6:45 to ~5 with no lunch break or other time off.

Then I go to grad school classes usually until 9. (the nights I don't have class I'm working on homework.)

Weekends are consumed with catch-up shit.

11/17/2009 9:41:40 PM

On confusing stressful life with stressful job:
Some jobs will become your life, some jobs make the rest of your life more stressful.

On the teaching plus coaching not being stressful if you're really into coaching:
During your season you could go to work at 6:30 in the morning and you're not going to get home till 8 or 9 at night at the earliest most nights. Then factor in as a high school coach a lot of times you have to be 60-70 kid's daddy, preacher, teacher, brother, etc. in a lot of situations (I can name 3 or 4 high schools in Charlotte where that's the case). You put in an extra 40+ hours a week for maybe a thousand extra bucks. Most coaches in CMS aren't actually paid extra to coach too. Plus, it's your job to deal with college recruiters, go out and make sure your guys are noticed, and if anything goes wrong even if it isn't your fault, you're going to take crap from parents, teachers, students, the community, the press, etc. Tell me that's not stressful. The only way you stay with it is if you really love coaching, because either way it's still stressful.

On retail minimum wage dealing with pissed off customers all day not being stressful, or whatever bullshit argument you wanna pull:
You have to stand for 8+ hours at a time and get yelled at by people who want to make sure you know that they think you're unsuccessful and suck at your crappy job. How is that not stressful? Couple the low pay with it and you have more stress. There's no "What I do sucks, but I make a difference" factor like in teaching or community service. There's no "What I do sucks, but I make money" like that 40k a year tv reporter job. Most times you're not even getting any benefits. It's a shitty job with shitty pay, that can be VERY stressful. If you think your job is more stressful, then I suggest you quit it and get a shitty retail job so you can live a stress free life!

I'd cover all the dieing 5 year olds with cancer shot by crack whore stories you want and not complain for 40k a year if I had to choose between that and the shitty retail customer service job that pays 13k a year.

11/17/2009 9:48:01 PM

Most any gov't job dealing with the public has got to suck. Medical, education, social, etc. You're stuck dealing with ungrateful sons-of-bitches.

11/17/2009 10:00:17 PM

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"On retail minimum wage dealing with pissed off customers all day not being stressful, or whatever bullshit argument you wanna pull: You have to stand for 8+ hours at a time and get yelled at by people who want to make sure you know that they think you're unsuccessful and suck at your crappy job. How is that not stressful? Couple the low pay with it and you have more stress."

You seem to have no concept of what hard work or stress is. I've worked retail (Advance Auto Parts). I did it for years while I was in college for $8/hour (not minimum wage, but not much money). There is nothing even slightly stressful or hard about that work. Not even a little bit. Yeah, so some customers are douchebags? Who cares? Now, granted, I always had the satisfaction of knowing that in a year or two, I'd have a degree in mechanical engineering, and that dumbass I was dealing with would still be a barely literate dumbass with a broke-down car, but still.



and I've never coached, but I've played a couple of highschool sports, and with the exception of a handful of top-tier programs, there is no way that's stressful. Long hours for not much pay, maybe, but not otherwise stressful.

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"If you think your job is more stressful, then I suggest you quit it and get a shitty retail job so you can live a stress free life![/quote I suggest you just sit back and listen until you're not 19 and completely lacking a clue about life in the real world. [quote]Most any gov't job dealing with the public has got to suck."

Totally agree. Most people are annoying douchebags. That doesn't mean it's stressful, though...that just means it sucks.


Working at Advance Auto Parts sucked, but it wasn't stressful at ALL. Being a USMC officer doesn't suck, but it's stressful like a mad dog.

11/17/2009 10:37:50 PM

I'm shocked that President of the US isn't number 1 (I know, it's a common man list). No matter what you do there is someone who hates you. You can't go out in public because of the fear that someone might kill you. You have to deal with the entire world, and you still don't make near what Bill Gates does.

11/17/2009 10:39:23 PM

dealing with douchebags talking down at you all day and not getting paid shit for it isn't stressful? seriously guys?

my age has nothing to do with it. sure if you make a mistake it isn't the end of the world, but if some idiot catches you they will treat you like it was.

11/17/2009 10:39:37 PM

Yeah, seriously. Not stressful. Not to me, anyway.

and yes, your age does have something to do with it. Being 19 doesn't make you less of a human being, and it doesn't make you stupid (though stupidity and age 19 are not mutually exclusive), but it certainly means you haven't experienced a lot of stuff. I know I hadn't really experienced any real stress at 19. Engineering school to an extent, but that still wasn't the kind of pressure and stress I've dealt with since.

11/17/2009 10:44:58 PM

all i'm saying is that dealing with douchebags is more stressful than reporting on douchebags. that was the original argument.

getting cussed out all day and degraded can be pretty stressful though, and if you don't think so how about someone follows you around your work for a few days and cusses you out the whole time and see how you like that.

the lack of money would only further stress you

11/17/2009 10:49:33 PM

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"There is nothing even slightly stressful or hard about that work."

that's because you worked here

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"Advance Auto Parts"

11/17/2009 10:55:28 PM

that would never happen, because I would've chewed their ass hard after about the first 5 minutes.

When you're making a few bucks an hour, there's not much reason to take any shit from anyone.

(my boss didn't care if I did this when I worked retail, because I only did it when they deserved it. He usually chewed their ass even worse if they complained to him about the ass chewing I gave them...he grew up in the projects in Philly, had been shot/cut about 5 times, and then had been a Navy Corpsman on a SEAL team...haha. On top of that, when you're getting paid $8/hour, your boss will overlook some customer ass-chewing if you are leaps and bounds better than the vast majority of other employees...i.e, you are fairly professional and competent at your job...or hell, at least you can be counted on to show up on time when you're scheduled.)

but still...dude, I've worked a low-paying retail job, dealing with the most pissed-off, pain-in-the-ass customer base imaginable (a bunch of trailer trash and hood rats pissed off about their broken cars). It is not even slightly stressful. That doesn't mean it's enjoyable, but it is NOT stressful, at least to me. Maybe I have thick skin, and/or maybe my frame of reference is waaaaaay skewed, but I always thought it was mostly just mindless and boring.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 10:57 PM. Reason : ^ how is that not exactly the sort of job he's describing?]

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 11:12 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2009 10:57:03 PM

working at a bar could be kinda stressful if everyone wasn't like working innnnnnnn sync or whatever on a certain night

and i would really stress when it would be like dead but i wouldn't get cut so i'd just be sitting there not making money and have like homework and lots of other shit to do

it wasn't the work that was stressful i guess - just the situation

and cleaning up throwup and shit was kinda stressful just cause it sorta made me wanna vom. and i don't like puking at all.

11/17/2009 10:58:49 PM

^^^truth. places with more rawr rawr douchebags trying to get an item for half their cost since they were pushed slightly to the left over a product on sale when they found them that are willing to bitch at you until you make them happy = more stress

11/17/2009 10:59:23 PM

haha, I specifically remember one dude who came in to buy ONE quart of oil. He grabbed a bottle of the house brand stuff--it was like 79 cents for a quart. He came up to the counter, and it rang up for...79 cents. (***I'm making these #s up, but they're close, if not correct)

He said "That should've actually been 59 cents." I said "No sir, it's 79 cents. I just stocked it and put the price tag above it. Maybe someone put it in the wrong place?"

We go back and forth about this for a minute or so, with him getting more and more pissed off that I won't override the price to save him a couple of dimes, and he finally goes "WELL HOW ABOUT I JUST DON'T BUY IT?!", then storms to the back of the store and puts it on the rack, giving me a look like "OOOOHH, I JUST SHOWED YOU, DIDN'T I?"

I just laughed at him and said "Dude, I get paid by the hour. I don't give a damn if you buy it or not. Besides that, you're the one driving your car around without oil in the engine because I won't give you a break on the price for 20 cents." I, along with all the other customers watching, were laughing at him until after he left the store.

If you take shit from them, you're just enabling their behavior.

^ that's exactly it...people will throw tantrums to get their way like children, and that's exactly how you have to treat them.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 11:09 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2009 11:08:05 PM

yea at my boutique job we got/get (sometimes i still work there) paid by the hour, no commission so when people were rude to me i was just like, whatev.

i mean sometimes we'd get "prizes" for selling a lot but it didn't hurt me if people were rude and didn't buy something (not that they were rude BECAUSE they didn't buy something, but if they were rude and i stopped helping them and moved onto someone else, it didn't really hurt me personally. but since it was a small business and i really liked my bosses/owners i would try to even force the rude people to buy shit)

11/17/2009 11:10:46 PM

working at places like target/walmart also suck because of the crying babies/toddlers

11/17/2009 11:11:03 PM

i worked in a baby boutique

there were a lot of sticky, hyper, crying babies and children up to age 8 up in there. who pulled very expensive clothes off the rack and shit themselves and like spit up on the floor

but i still kinda like that job better than going to school!

11/17/2009 11:12:36 PM

^^dude, on the stressful scale of 1-10, that's about a 1.0001.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 11:13 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2009 11:12:55 PM

putting up shit in the moving baby dolls aisle would really piss you off after a while

standing in one place at a cash register would piss me off too

11/17/2009 11:14:00 PM

i think maybe i just have a better perspective or something because i don't think any job could really make me feel THAT stressed. and the only jobs i've ever had were nonpaying or low paying jobs. i dunno, its a job. i actually liked my bar job and my retail job. yes, i had bad days and stressful situations but on the whole i liked them. i like interacting with people and being like, on the go all the time. instead of sitting around. sitting around (like in an office job) stresses me out more because at the office job i worked at i could finish my entire days work in like the first 2 hours. but i still had to sit there for 6 more. that stressed me - thinking of all the other shit i could be doing with my time.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 11:16 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 11:16:02 PM

i'd still rather sit for 6 hours than stand for 6 hours. shit will make your feet hurt

11/17/2009 11:17:32 PM

stress is proportional to how many other people you are responsible for and how much is at risk. retail and what not is pretty damn easy if all you have to do is stock shelves and pretend to care about the customer. hence, i dont think teachers are anywhere near the extremes.

11/17/2009 11:18:30 PM

the getting bitched at factor is being ignored ITT

11/17/2009 11:19:50 PM

i thought theDuke866 was usually the one doing the bitching

11/17/2009 11:23:34 PM

^^that's because it isn't very stressful. it's just annoying/unpleasant/whatever.


dude, talk to me when you've been starved for a week and beaten/tortured, and slept outside for days in nothing but your clothes and a jacket in 33 degree weather. Or when you're working 14 hours every day, and probably 3-5 hours/day on weekends, and can go from doing well to flunked out within 3 days, and you're doing all this with ex-girlfriend hiding your baby daughter from you and suing you, and calling you 30 times per day at the most inopportune times. Or when you're landing on an aircraft carrier, at night, with a pilot who's NEVER DONE IT BEFORE. Or when you're coming in to land, watching to make sure no MANPAD missiles are getting shot at you, and the landing gear don't come down. Or when you're in charge of a couple dozen guys about your age--making sure they do their jobs well, making sure you take care of their paperwork/evaluations/counseling them on what they're doing well/poorly...having them charged under the UCMJ when they fuck up (and then after hammering their tits, trying to build them up into a non-fuckup)


Who gives a fuck if someone is rude to you a Wal-Mart while you're stocking the shelf? That is NOT even slightly stressful.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 11:32 PM. Reason : ^ haha, i'm really easygoing, actually, but i'm not going to take shit from some asshole.]

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2009 11:32:00 PM

I worked at a place called Media Play. Yeah the job sucked but it wasn't a stressfull job. Because it was a job and not a career. If I was trying to make a career out of that job I may have been more stressed out. But honestly, doing retail, most people are there to just have gas and beer money.

Also, once you leave and you clock out you don't have to worry about that anymore. Every other job on that list once you leave work you still have shit to do at home.


also, ggmon has be a troll or just really stupid to say that shit about teaching.

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 11:37 PM. Reason : ]

11/17/2009 11:34:31 PM

i just looked at the NC teacher's payscale...doesn't seem bad at all to me.

11/17/2009 11:50:04 PM

at least you'd be doing something meaningful

11/17/2009 11:55:20 PM

GGMon is one dumb motherfucker

11/18/2009 12:03:28 AM

I mean the pay of teaching sucks, but I'm doing it for more than the money. I want to teach because I enjoy working with kids. I will be stressed out by crazy ass parents and by some of those rotten kids who just refuse to want to be at school, but I think overall it will be a very rewarding job.

11/18/2009 12:06:42 AM