^ get the fuck outta here and go back to canada, yankee

"Southern man dont need you around anyhow"

3/1/2010 1:40:01 PM

I wasn't really talking about Super Two... I just figured he was really asking about when you can be called up so your "clock doesn't start" so to say...

[Edited on March 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM. Reason : suspend this ^ fucking assclown immediately]

3/1/2010 1:40:07 PM

Because if he gets called up after a certain point in time, he won't be arb eligible till after 2013 instead of 2012

But as long as he doesn't fuck himself like Longoria long term, he's going to be a very rich man by his 26th birthday either way

[Edited on March 1, 2010 at 1:42 PM. Reason : I may have used "Super 2" incorrectly, forgive my lack of proper terminology]

3/1/2010 1:41:01 PM

I don't think there's a cutoff date. It's based on days of service.

3/1/2010 1:42:11 PM

Right days of service, so if he gets called up after a certain date, he wouldn't be able to meet that days of service threshold

If its 140 days, Then he would need roughly 4.5 months in MLB this year to qualify

So the date of mid-May to early June is important, based on the season's end in early October

3/1/2010 1:43:55 PM

^^^ what you cryin to the mods about... you aint man enough to face me mano y mano? id like to see you talk sum shit to my face

i other words, if you gotta problem with me, then take it up with me... dont go bringin other people into our feud

[Edited on March 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2010 1:45:27 PM

Super 2's are relative. There is no magic number of service time or cutoff date. It's the top 17% of service time. So you could get avoid super 2 by waiting until june, but it could be may or july. It's just relative to what other teams do/how many players get hurt and go on the 60day DL/if players get sent back down/etc.

Basically, there's no way to know how long you need to wait to avoid super 2's


The reason some teams wait until June 1st is that avoids UFA for another year, as you can't get a full service year your 1st season.

[Edited on March 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2010 1:54:58 PM

Super Twos aren't entirely relative. There's a minimum service length of 85 or 86 days + top 17%.

3/1/2010 2:34:19 PM

Braves and Mets play today in a ST opener. Hanson going for the Braves while a Figero (spelling?) will be "pitching" for the Mess.

3/2/2010 8:37:47 AM

We're not wasting Johan in ST because we know he'll have to throw 350 innings for us to compete this year

3/2/2010 9:03:07 AM

Two day rest all season.

He pitches on March 9th for the first time FYI.

3/2/2010 9:10:04 AM

^ I'd actually like to see a pitcher try to go out like Cy Young and Christy Matthewson used to. I wonder if anyone could actually start 50-60 games in a season without their arm falling off.

3/2/2010 1:42:17 PM

Hinske could be a great bench player, very solid player

3/2/2010 2:01:26 PM

^^ somebody like mark buerhle probably could, or maybe david wells in his prime.

3/2/2010 2:04:39 PM

^^ no doubt. Much better than Greg Norton. Hinskie should be able to fill in a 1B, be a valuable pinch hitter, and a good veteran for the younger guys. I guess he could even play 3B or the OF in an emergency situation. Also if the Braves start to suck dick, he'd be good trade bait to a team needing some depth.

[Edited on March 2, 2010 at 2:05 PM. Reason : ^ I was thinking Tim Wakefield]

3/2/2010 2:04:58 PM

http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2010/02/25/hinske-brings-his-living-canvas-tattoos-to-braves/
gross.

3/2/2010 9:49:52 PM

I think Infante will fill in just about every position before Hinske ever does. At least I hope he does.

3/2/2010 11:47:37 PM

^^ Ha ha that is horrible. Some of the comments posted on that AJC link are pretty good too. Why some one would want a tattoo like that is beyond me.

3/3/2010 8:38:09 AM

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2010/03/03/heywards-ops-1-833/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_braves_blog

3/3/2010 6:36:04 PM

^ The AJC is treating Heyward like Europeans treat Obama. All this hype is not good for a 20 year old kid who has like 100 ABs above single A. I'd still like him to start in AAA until June just to get his feet wet, let him prove he belongs, and of course for the Super 2 shit. Spring training stats do not mean a damn thing.




[Edited on March 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM. Reason : vn]

3/4/2010 8:23:49 AM

Griffey, Arod, Miguel Cabrera, the Upton Brothers and I'm sure plenty of others played their first full seasons in the bigs at 19 or 20

If he's ready, I say Cox brings him up...he's done it before with lesser talents like Schafer and Francouer who never had AAA experience

The unfortunate reality of delaying arbitration will play some what of a factor, but he could be good enough to mitigate it

3/4/2010 9:09:22 AM

Heyward is going to be a stud and he is ready right now IMO.

At 19 he put up a 1.000+ OPS in a half year at AA! That is insane. No sense, if there is a need at the highest level, to leave him in AAA to feast on their pitching.

Also, the amount of young talent in this division is fucking nuts. Keith Law had four of the five teams in the NL East in the Top 15 in terms of organizational rankings of the farm. The only one that wasn't was the Phillies who emptied their system for Lee and then for Halladay.

3/4/2010 9:15:17 AM

I'll be interested to see how Florida (to be renamed Miami) reacts financially to their new ballpark opening in two years. If they're able to support a payroll in the $70s or 80s, they could be a permanent powerhouse, with the way they develop young talent down there. If they could hold onto everyone they bring up, they'd be the class of the division, if not the NL.

3/4/2010 9:21:20 AM

^^^ Hopefully Heyward will be in the same class as those players, but you are talking about once in every 5 year type guys. Griffey in 89, A-Roid in 96, Cabrera in what 2003?, Uptons in 2006 and 2008 respectively?

I just do not want to the Braves to rush him and ruin his confidence if/when he struggles in the bigs.

You could also put Andruw in that group at 19.



[Edited on March 4, 2010 at 9:36 AM. Reason : l;]

3/4/2010 9:36:04 AM

Once every 5 years, sure, but whats to say he's not in that class?

Unlike most of those guys, he's already built like a grown man

Those other guys came in 6'1" 180 or so...Heyward's got 'em by 4 inches and 50 pounds

Let the kid play

3/4/2010 9:38:09 AM

Quote :

"Longoria famously waited two weeks for a call-up at the start of the 2008 season, with Joe Maddon slotting Willy Aybar into the third baseman slot until Longoria got the call on April 12. The reason was clear: Longoria would serve only 170 service days with the Rays that season. By Major League rule, a player is a free agent after six full seasons, which are constituted by 172 service days. By waiting two weeks, the Rays bought themselves another year of controlling Longoria. On the opposite side of the coin is the Detroit Tigers, who were so enthused by Rick Porcello's Spring Training a year ago that they started the season with the top prospect in their rotation. Porcello would post a 6.42 FIP in April, but was consistent enough to remain with the Tigers all season. As a result, Porcello will be a free agent after the 2014 season. The Texas Rangers, who waited three weeks to call up Derek Holland (for a Longoria-like 170 service days), will have control of Holland through 2015. There is simply no argument to be made that the marginal value gained by playing Jason Heyward over Matt Diaz for three weeks in April is worth losing Heyward's rights for the 2016 season. Yes, calling him up on April 25 will mean that Heyward will be a "Super Two", and thus, eligible for arbitration a year early. But arbitration contracts are still discounts over free agent ones, and I can already promise you that Heyward's first free agent contract will be a big one. Without delving into the Heyward vs. Strasburg argument, the Braves should certainly take note that Nats GM Mike Rizzo has already written off his right-handed star beginning the season in Washington. If you think it's because they want some minor league seasoning for him, you're crazy -- they just want an extra year of not dealing with Scott Boras. It should not matter that the Braves biggest star of the last decade is excited to play with the team's biggest prospect. Chipper Jones will be gone in 2016, and Jason Heyward could still be there. Maybe Eric Hinske can step in and set Chipper straight, too."

3/4/2010 11:18:59 AM

^ I agree with that argument. I have a feeling Heyward makes the team out of ST for two reasons:

1. The Braves have very little power in the lineup.

2. It is Cox's last season and I think the management is going to do everything it can to try and make the playoffs.

I still think the Braves need more offense (even with Heyward) if they are going to catch the Phillies. There is just not enough production from 1B, 2B, and the whole OF. Plus with Chipper, you can only count on him playing 130 games.

3/4/2010 1:58:25 PM

Did I just hear Tim Kurkjian say Cox has compared Heyward to Mantle and Aaron?

[Edited on March 4, 2010 at 6:44 PM. Reason : He's going to be our Tebow]

3/4/2010 6:44:20 PM

So Glaus is now 6-9 so far in Spring Training and apparently has been playing good defense at 1B. If he is truly healthy and can be 75% of what he used to be, then the Braves might be able to actually score some runs this year.

So far I cannot help but be optimistic about this team so far. Oh yeah and Heyward hit a 450-500 ft homerun yesterday off Max Scherzer (spelling?).

3/9/2010 10:13:23 AM

Try not to get too caught up in early ST numbers. I kind of get carried away too during this time of year.

For instance, Fernando Martinez is NOT a going to put up a 1.700 OPS this year! Ike Davis will not get on base 7 out of every 10 plate appearances. Jason Heyward is not going to hit 65 HRs. Etc, etc.

Glaus, at best, will put up a mid-.800 OPS... at best.

3/9/2010 10:22:11 AM

^ If he puts up an 850 OPS, I will be happy.

3/9/2010 10:41:59 AM

That would be LaRocheian!

3/9/2010 11:27:37 AM

Quote :

"Jason Heyward is not going to hit 65 HRs. Etc, etc."

Get that bullshit outta here. Nobody needs your pessimism towards our savior.

3/9/2010 11:53:19 AM

Hanson has some nasty stuff... jeez. If there was ever a sure thing to be an ace he is it (jinx please).

3/17/2010 2:36:48 PM

they just interviewed chipper and asked him about the buck commander 3 that is coming out soon. i misheard them and thought they were asking him about butt commander, and I was like wtf is the butt commander. so i googled butt commander and was very pleased

3/17/2010 2:40:27 PM

Interesting article about Leo Mazzone. Cannot believe some other team has not given him another shot. The Braves need to hire him back as some type of minor league player development guy if nothing else. The last time the Braves made the playoffs = 2005. Year Mazzone left = 2005. Coincidence? I think not.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2010/03/23/mazzone-misses-braves-says-they-can-top-phillies/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_braves_blog

3/24/2010 9:14:46 AM

It begins

Quote :

"Jason Heyward's productive spring left manager Bobby Cox no choice: The Braves' rookie will start the season in right field. "How could we keep him off the team?" Braves manager Bobby Cox said Friday. "He's done everything this spring." The 20-year-old Heyward went into Friday's game against Detroit batting .366 with a tape-measure homer and five RBIs in 41 at-bats this spring. He had a .500 on-base percentage and .537 slugging average. "He'll be in there every day," Cox said of the left-handed hitter. "With him, it doesn't matter if a lefty or righty is pitching."

3/26/2010 1:09:12 PM

DOB just jizzed in his pants

--

Quote :

"So there you have it, the funny-looking 71 Heyward has been wearing all spring (and last spring too, I think) will gave way for a good number, suited for an every-day player, and who the heck knows, maybe a place up on the Braves outfield wall before this is all over."

I don't know that I can take an entire season of this

[Edited on March 26, 2010 at 1:36 PM. Reason : ]

3/26/2010 1:27:19 PM

He's a beast.

3/26/2010 2:03:16 PM

so we're seriously gonna lose a year of him (most likely) by not waiting a few weeks to call him up? makes sense

3/26/2010 2:29:23 PM

It's Bobby's last year, not surprising

3/26/2010 2:34:01 PM

Tim Tebow weeps over the hype this kid is getting.

3/26/2010 2:38:53 PM

The picture was key, because the name alone didn't ring a bell.

3/26/2010 2:39:58 PM

Tebow is getting anti-hype

Good try though

3/26/2010 2:43:54 PM

Yeah. Nobody liked him in college.

^^ look, man.. it's nearly baseball season. We gotta have each other's back.

[Edited on March 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM. Reason : ass]

3/26/2010 2:46:11 PM

Sorry, don't follow college baseball

3/26/2010 2:46:58 PM

let's get-r-done today

4/5/2010 10:53:09 AM

Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth, Tim Tebow, Jesus Christ and Tyler Hansbrough all rolled in to one.

If he doesn't cure cancer by his 23rd birthday, he's a disappointment.

[Edited on April 5, 2010 at 4:36 PM. Reason : x]

4/5/2010 4:35:57 PM

Heyward just hit a bomb in his first big-league at bat. Unbelievable.

4/5/2010 4:36:55 PM

Welcome to the Show Jason Heyward!!!

4/5/2010 4:37:12 PM