You're just mad because this thread is a sincere failure.



If we had mods that paid attention to shit in Sports Talk, it would've been locked and deleted by now.

12/6/2009 11:17:24 PM

4-point field goals. Yeah, getting into the endzone should be worth more, but who decided on 133% more? It would make the 2-point conversion possibility more relevant too.

12/6/2009 11:20:08 PM

^^ why don't u actually stick to the thread and perhaps *gasp add some value by using your infinite sports wisdom and knowledge, sharing with us any flaws you think with the rules the NFL should correct.

No reason do be a prick about shit. If you do not like my thread then why not GTFO. You sports expertise could be adding worthless garbage to someone else's thread.

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"4-point field goals. Yeah, getting into the end zone should be worth more, but who decided on 133% more? It would make the 2-point conversion possibility more relevant too."

kiljadn: ZOMG wtf you are retarded and do not understand the intricate history of football. You want to turn football into some pussy sport and have no clue what your talking about blah blah blah rawr rawr rawr

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12/6/2009 11:20:36 PM

come on you guys, alternating kickoff returns is the future of the nfl

12/6/2009 11:24:01 PM

Overtime - play tug of war. each team takes turns running one offensive play at a time. the ball will move back and forth across the field, first to TD wins. (it would be awesome to watch, but admittingly it would get boring having to wait for the offense and defense to keep switching on and off the field...so maybe do it but you pick 11 players to play both sides of the ball)

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"Safety- As difficult and rare safeties occur I think they should be worth like 4 or 5 points."

worst idea ever. 5 points AND get the ball on a free kick? are you crazy? I think it should be no points but you get the ball on your opponent's 20 yard line automatically...a reverse touchback so to speak.

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"Challenges- If a challenge is successful; a team should get to keep the challenge. In contrast to the current rules that state a team has to get both right."

So if the coach gets it right everytime he can keep going? Even if a coach had reason to challenge more than 3 times and kept getting it right, it would be annoying to watch.

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"4-point field goals. Yeah, getting into the endzone should be worth more, but who decided on 133% more? It would make the 2-point conversion possibility more relevant too."

IIRC, at one point in football history TD's were worth 4 and field goals were worth 2. As long as TDs are worth double the field goal you can make it whatever you want. Its the same thing with a kick PAT being worth half of an endzone PAT.

[Edited on December 6, 2009 at 11:29 PM. Reason : -]

12/6/2009 11:27:19 PM

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"a reverse touchback so to speak. "

I could go with that.

12/6/2009 11:28:32 PM

i always thought it would be sweet to have the players come up from underneth the field , like an elevator straight up out of nowhere on the 50

it wouild be really sweet if they came up out oif the ground allready in formation and shit, and then hike the ball and do a badass play to set the tone

12/6/2009 11:33:19 PM

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"Yeah, getting into the endzone should be worth more, but who decided on 133% more?"

6 / 3 = 2

12/6/2009 11:35:29 PM

They really need to add a rule that makes it impossible to do that shit where they call timeouts that wipe out successful field goal attempts. It's classless and just really cheesy. Once everyone is lined up and the kicker is in position, you shouldn't be able to call a timeout.

12/6/2009 11:41:21 PM

5 pt Safety sounds absolutely recockulous. Would #1 defenses just never opt for the redzone FG in hopes that they destroy the other team on their 1yd line? Or would an offensive lineman's accidental (or improperly called) endzone holding penalty be completely game changing?

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12/6/2009 11:42:21 PM

They whistled the final play dead in the Skins/Saints game today after the holder already had the ball down. It was an 18 yard attempt, but still.

12/6/2009 11:43:01 PM

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"YOU ARE RETARTED"

I'm done here.

12/6/2009 11:43:49 PM

Excessive Celebration- Sure some players take it to the extreme, Joe Horn pulling a cell phone out, TO stomping on the cowboy star back in 2000, or Randy Moss pretending to moon the crowd. Otherwise I see no problem with dancing in the end zone, shouting (as long as your not taunting fans during an away game), or any other fun celebration action. This should not be enforced so heavily as was started in 2006.

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12/6/2009 11:46:31 PM

Heres an idea for a (admittedly quite radical) rule change:

Eliminate the game clock altogether, instead of 30:00 a half, do them in terms of "number of drives". I'd say a good number would be 6 drives per team per half, or 3 per quarter.

Advantages:
1 - no more clock draining, to me it would be far more interesting if a team couldn't win by just taking time but actually had to keep playing. Also if a team is coming back they aren't burdened by having to rush due to little clock remaining.
2 - if a game is a blow-out, it will end early. If a team is losing by 5 touchdowns, and they have 4 drives left, no reason to play anymore.

Still keep the play clock so you don't baseball-slow it down

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12/7/2009 1:50:02 AM

I'd like overtime to be a full quarter. Be ahead at the end of those 15 minutes.

I don't really care about the length of a pro football game. It goes until there's a real winner, not until someone gets a lucky field goal.

12/7/2009 8:36:51 AM

Wow. After reading this tread...

The NFL rules are absolutely perfect.

12/7/2009 9:09:39 AM

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"I don't really care about the length of a pro football game."

The big corporations that control the media care. Fooball is obviously about making money first. Fair competition, team tradition, fun, and fans are just an added by-product. Just look at the whole
BCS system

12/7/2009 9:47:22 AM

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"just made this thread to spread my ignorance"

smartest thing HUR has ever said on TWW

12/7/2009 9:50:46 AM

horse-collar penalty is ridiculous, not being able to bring someone down by the back of their jersey is just plain retarded

12/7/2009 11:07:44 AM

I'm still pushing my idea of the "First to 5" overtime rule

A touchdown or two field goals beat you, but you can give up one field goal, get the ball back and score and touchdown to win

5 instead of 6 so that if you're on your own goaline, you can't take a safety intentionally to give the ball back and have the other team still need to score a touchdown

[Edited on December 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM. Reason : x]

12/7/2009 11:13:24 AM

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"not being able to bring someone down by the back of their jersey is just plain retarded"

Except the rule isn't about bringing someone down by the back of their jersey. It is bringing someone down by grabbing the back inside of their shoulder pads.

The theory is if you are able to get to someone to take them down with a horse collar you should be able to take them down in another way that isn't a high injury play. This isn't like taking out some sensational hit that we all love... you can go for the legs/waist just as easy if you are in proper position to make the tackle from behind.

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I actually think in overtime the ball should be on the 25 yard line and teams should alternate kicking field goals. But your field goal kicker can only kick one time until the remaining players on the team have kicked. Similar to soccer, keep score of successfully kicked field goals until 5 kicks, and after that if still tied it is alternating until someone misses and someone makes to win the game. I think we can all agree football would be more exciting if we heard the words, "And here is Orlando Pace with the 42 yard field goal attempt to win the game..."

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12/7/2009 2:26:27 PM

I haven't read anything in this thread yet, but the only thing that pops up in my mind is the whole Overtime situation.

12/7/2009 2:34:15 PM

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" Except the rule isn't about bringing someone down by the back of their jersey. It is bringing someone down by grabbing the back inside of their shoulder pads. The theory is if you are able to get to someone to take them down with a horse collar you should be able to take them down in another way that isn't a high injury play. This isn't like taking out some sensational hit that we all love... you can go for the legs/waist just as easy if you are in proper position to make the tackle from behind. "

"The first year of the ban, only two penalties were called by referees for the horse-collar tackle. Owners voted 25-7 in 2006 to expand the rule to include tackles by the back of the jersey in addition to tackles by the shoulder pads"

12/7/2009 9:42:21 PM

I've been pushing the first to six rule since I first heard of it 4-5 years ago. It keeps the game intact because field position, kicking, etc is still meaningful but it doesn't allow the gay endings we see now.

i.e. Team gets a 12 yard pass, then runs for 2 yards, then a questionable 20 yard pass interference is called against the visiting team, then they run for 3 yards, run for 3 yards, run for 1 yard then kick a routine 43 yarder to win it in a dome where the wind can't even affect the kick.

That ending is gay, period.

12/7/2009 10:25:10 PM

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"5 instead of 6 so that if you're on your own goaline, you can't take a safety intentionally to give the ball back and have the other team still need to score a touchdown"

You have swayed me to thinking 5 would indeed be better than 6...nice thought.

12/7/2009 11:15:47 PM

I wouldn't mind them having the players on primetime recite their hometowns instead of colleges, that might be more interesting than just hearing the ohio state yadda yadda constantly

12/8/2009 12:46:56 AM

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"Why is this not a concern in other full contact sports like rugby???"

there are plenty of rules protecting players in rugby, and the refs have a fairly generous range to call a dangerous hit.

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"I dunno how lucrative rugby is...but lets be honest"

in other parts of the world its huge

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"Rugby players don't hit each other as hard."

you hit differently in rugby, you wrap up people and tackle instead of putting a shoulder pad or helmet into them

12/8/2009 1:00:41 AM

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"Team gets a 12 yard pass, then runs for 2 yards, then a questionable 20 yard pass interference is called against the visiting team, then they run for 3 yards, run for 3 yards, run for 1 yard then kick a routine 43 yarder to win it in a dome where the wind can't even affect the kick. "

For real.

Alternatively, have a good return to your 40 yd line. Run for 2 yards, get the first down for 12 yards putting you at the
oppenents 46 yard line. Get a personnal foul call your way via Tom Brady rule as Eli barely eeks a pass off as the Right End's momentum
carries him into the QB. Now you are on the 36 yd line. Rush 2 yard. Rush 3 yards. Now kick the 46 yd routine kick.

Yippee your team sure showed itself to be better in OT with a decent kick return, 3 mediocre runs, one good pass, and one
bullshit call in your favor.

Someone poopooed the coin flip statistic but it is not a fair competition if 60% of your Overtime victories is the team
to get "lucky" and win the flip.

12/8/2009 8:46:36 AM

Pass interference shouldn't be a spot foul. It should be 15 yards like in college.

12/8/2009 8:48:32 AM

I think it should be the other way around...a spot foul on both levels

Football should not incentivize bad behavior. No realm of human endeavor should incentivize bad behavior

12/8/2009 8:57:25 AM

I've seen a lot of bullshit PI calls go for 40+ yards though. At least if it's only 15, a bad call doesn't have that much impact.

12/8/2009 9:11:42 AM

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"Pass interference shouldn't be a spot foul. It should be 15 yards like in college."

agree. the nfl rule makes the game all about the officials.

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12/8/2009 9:33:50 AM

HUR cant even follow basic parking rules that are written on signs, why is this a credible thread?

12/8/2009 9:49:13 AM

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"HUR cant even follow basic parking rules that are written on signs, why is this a credible thread? "

?

12/8/2009 10:04:52 AM

selling booze in the 4th quarter

12/8/2009 10:05:57 AM

^^you're the same idiot who got your car towed from food lion and made a ridiculous whiny college kid thread about it, right?

12/8/2009 10:16:31 AM

Actually dick fuck my car was never in the food lion parking lot that night. I was making a thread in support of friends and acquaintances of mine that were questionably towed from food lion. Of course some selfish prick like yourself would never speak up in defense of others; not that ANY of that pertains to this thread 2 years later.

By the way this is sports talk not chit-chat so gtfo

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"selling booze in the 4th quarter "

I support this.

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""Pass interference shouldn't be a spot foul. It should be 15 yards like in college.""

My only problem with this is that a corner would have nothing to lose when the QB throws a bomb 30 yards down field near the goal line. If it seems the WR will likely make the catch instead of having to make a goal line stand you can simply interfere and make it 1st and 10 from the 30 yard line.

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 10:51 AM. Reason : a]

12/8/2009 10:47:28 AM

HUR was, is and always will be a euphemism for sopping cunt on these boards

Anything he says should not be taken seriously

12/8/2009 10:54:26 AM

surprised nothing is mentioned about touchy pass interference penalties.

12/8/2009 11:06:24 AM

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"I think it should be the other way around...a spot foul on both levels"

I agree with this completely.

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"I've seen a lot of bullshit PI calls go for 40+ yards though"

While this is true sometimes, refs do a pretty good job of using the illegal contact call to penalize the defense, but not screw them in most cases.

12/8/2009 11:28:37 AM

oh and you're also a racist piece of shit

you should be given the Limbaugh treatment on topics concerning the NFL

12/8/2009 11:33:25 AM

you don't know shit about me fool. Just b.c i do not attain to reach nancy liberal polisi level of political correctness and you are so hypersensitive to racial issues that you take offense to sarcastic remarks on this board does not mean I am the problem. Sounds like you have some issues and have your own racist tendencies to deal with. I recommend you seek psychiatric help warrior of the online argument.

Agent 0 and kiljadn must be butt buddies. As they do nothing but wank off about putting down others whose knowledge and opinions on the NFL are not on the towering level of their understanding that they believe their's to be.

Most people seem to also disagree with the overtime rules. Others have pointed out why falsestart penalties are the way they are. Alternatives are been posted beyond just shortening the play clock to increase action or decrease clock run off. As well as the safety award of only 2 points being defended. Along with other rule suggestion changes.
Seems Agent 0 that this thread is not completely worthless. Why not take your trolling self back to defending Tiger

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=582153&page=2#13499422

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12/8/2009 11:58:07 AM

I THINK THEY SHOULD PLAY WITH A SQUARE BALL!!!!11

12/8/2009 1:37:23 PM

I dont like the whole "ball crosses the plane" idea in football.

A player can run and dive at the corner of the endzone over the pylon and it counts. But a QB can pass the ball to a reciever in the corner of the endzone, he can catch it in the air, have full possession in the air over the endzone, but because he dosent have 2 feet inbounds, it dosent count. Gimme a break

Yeah, I dont like the two feet inbounds rule either.

12/8/2009 2:33:19 PM

NO MORE TV TIMEOUTS AFTER KICKING PLAYS


XP...
TO
Kickoff...
TO

REDICULOUS

12/8/2009 2:37:54 PM

1st Do away with IR. 2nd Reinstate bump and run coverage. This has had a direct effect on WRs' ypg since this rule was abandoned. Inversely the effect on DB INT stat has been stagnant creating a perfect milieu for hype machines like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM. Reason : /]

12/9/2009 4:46:05 PM

OT should be first to seven points.

12/9/2009 4:59:44 PM

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"Yeah, I dont like the two feet inbounds rule either."

usually if it's a question of getting 2 feet inbounds then the ball is usually out of bounds... if they were to do away with the 2 feet inbounds rule and just have the ball inbounds and across the plane, then nothing would really change because it's almost impossible to catch a ball out of bounds and put it back inbounds before your feet land out of bounds... that would make for some sick catches though.

12/10/2009 3:18:13 AM

The QB slide rule.

If you are gonna run then you need to find a sideline.

Also, chop-blocking needs to be taken away.

12/10/2009 3:26:03 AM