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"android devices are up to 20,000 apps and only going to grow as there's LOTS of android devices out there, there's only 1 iPhone"

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"What really makes a difference with an Android device is the version of it's OS, and the speed of it's processor. The reason why people made such a big deal about the Moto Droid is because it's the fastest in class of all currently available Android devices. Well, that, and HOLY SHIT Motorola made a non-shitty phone"

so how is this different than an iPhone? You've got different versions of the OS and you've got different devices that don't have all the same features. iPod Touch, iPhone 1G, iPhone 2G (GPS + 3G), and iPhone 3G (GPS, Compass, 3G, Video)...

and Holy Shit Motorola has yet to make a non-shitty phone...their droid looks like a Startack

[Edited on December 20, 2009 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

12/20/2009 4:26:59 PM

ha, and it took apple 3 iterations to get basic functionality into a phone. The droid may not be the prettiest phone on the market but it along with future android devices are going to give apple a serious run for their money.

[Edited on December 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM. Reason : ]

12/20/2009 4:36:32 PM

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"ha, and it took apple 3 iterations to get basic functionality into a phone"

o rly?

The “smartphone” market was entrenched with BB, Palm, and WinMo, and little old Apple, who had never made a phone, releases something that everyone loves, and literally changes the smart phone landscape.

The iPhone might seem “stale” now because it’s the top dog, but you can’t underestimate its impact. Without the iPhone, the Android wouldn’t exist.

Apple did the same thing to the MP3 market with the iPod. Who even remembers Sonic Blue, Creative, the Rio, or any of the other “winners” from the pre-iPod era?

But you’re right. The Android OS is probably the most serious competitor to the iPhone. The Pre seems to have faltered, but maybe Google can make something happen.

12/20/2009 5:38:58 PM

Palm continues to tank because they made a poor decision by putting the Pre on sprint exclusively. The Pre and WebOS has a lot of potential and could become a serious competitor if the rumored release of the Pre Plus happens on verizon next year.

[Edited on December 20, 2009 at 5:58 PM. Reason : ]

12/20/2009 5:49:26 PM

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"ha, and it took apple 3 iterations to get basic functionality into a phone. The droid may not be the prettiest phone on the market but it along with future android devices are going to give apple a serious run for their money."

This not being 'apple' specific...but what constitutes as 'basic functionality into a phone'?

12/20/2009 6:21:58 PM

Copy and Paste

12/20/2009 8:01:45 PM

I'd go with multimedia messaging, personally. The fact that it took 3+ years to get their phone in a position to receive images without going to a website where you have to type in a user name and password (that you couldn't copy and paste).

We can also go with the comedy option of "make calls".

12/20/2009 8:21:10 PM

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"'basic functionality into a phone'"

what part of basic phone functionality does multimedia messaging and copy paste fit into?

Those features were lacking, yes but they are far from basic. Whoever originally said it was lacking basic phone functionality is an idiot. Make call, receive call, voicemail, call waiting, etc etc...thats basic phone functionality.

[Edited on December 20, 2009 at 8:25 PM. Reason : .]

12/20/2009 8:24:35 PM

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"We can also go with the comedy option of "make calls"."

haha. I was going to say that. Maybe I should've said basic functionality in a smartphone but I digress. Not going to turn this thread into an argument. ^ and pretty much all other iphone challengers have had that functionality for a while.

[Edited on December 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM. Reason : ]

12/20/2009 8:46:02 PM

Smartphone != basic phone functionality.

12/20/2009 9:16:48 PM

Which the iPhone now has, so it's hardly a consideration for someone shopping for a phone today...

Also, please don't compare the droid to 'the iphone', there's a significant performance difference between them, paticularly the 3G and 3GS, the latter of which renders some web pages quite a bit faster than the droid, or really any other 'phone'.

12/20/2009 9:22:56 PM

I have a blackberry bold and I love the phone. The email is simply great. As soon as an email is sent to me I get it and can reply on my phone quickly. As someone who used to constantly check my email, this is something I absolutely love because I never have to check it. Also, Blackberry Messaging is pretty sweet if your friends have a BB. It is probably on both other phones but I do really enjoy having google maps and GPS with my phone. It has kept me from getting lost countless times.

I am not a fan of the iphone due to its lack of keyboard, just a personal preference though. I haven't played with a droid but I would be willing to switch over if the email service was as solid as my BB.

Of course maybe my love of my BB comes from the fact that my previous phone was the PPC-6700 the biggest piece of shit I have ever owned.

12/20/2009 9:41:20 PM

without a BES a blackberry is worthless imho

12/20/2009 9:46:12 PM

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"the latter of which renders some web pages quite a bit faster than the droid, or really any other 'phone'."

that's a meaningless sentence. the droid uses the same webkit rendering engine, tweaked for google's own use. i've used both devices and i don't see any performance difference when browsing. except for the network reception, which continues to be better for me on verizon than at&fail.

12/20/2009 10:03:21 PM

And I wouldn't say there's a "significant" performance difference since they're pretty much even hardware wise. And more often than not, the 3GS advantage is negligible in browsing.

12/20/2009 10:09:03 PM

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"what part of basic phone functionality does multimedia messaging and copy paste fit into?"

Dude, my free AT&T phone from 2007 had copy/paste and MMS. It's pretty much basic phone functionality in this day and age.

The shitty RAZR phones that people have had since even earlier had both.

12/20/2009 11:25:52 PM

^thats still not basic phone functionality. 'phone' functionality is what I had listed earlier. Everything else are extra features.

^but on that note...what can the iPhone do that those phones can't from day one? exactly.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 12:21 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2009 12:14:17 AM

I'd love to at least give a test run to a droid, but right now I'm pretty happy with my Blackberry.

I have a bunch of friends with Blackberries and Messenger is awesome.

12/21/2009 2:23:03 AM

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"Palm continues to tank because they made a poor decision by putting the Pre on sprint exclusively."

agreed. i never understood why they even considered using sprint with a phone that had so much potential.

12/21/2009 8:06:19 AM

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"without a BES a blackberry is worthless imho"

yea. Blackberries have underpowered hardware and a terrible UI. The only reason anyone uses them is they have far and away the best security and management features of any device. And thats entirely for enterprise users. Dont get a BB as your personal phone. You'll hate it.

12/21/2009 9:44:52 AM

at the time the mePhone came out, I think copy/paste & MMS were basic phone functions for a smartphone...a fucking SMARTphone. my 3 previous phones (smart and not) had these capabilities before the iphone. so yeh, I'd consider them to be basic for a smartphone.

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""without a BES a blackberry is worthless imho""

WAT? I don't have BES and I'm perfectly happy...

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"Dont get a BB as your personal phone. You'll hate it."

WAT? I love mine, it does exactly what I want and it's easy to use.


you two are coming off has pretentious dumbasses.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 9:50 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2009 9:49:32 AM

Hold on let me start up my blackberry (waits 20 minutes). Oh great here comes my home screen! (waits 10 more minutes for service book). Hmm ok let me make a call! (every number has a half second delay).

I had an 8700 and an 8310 over 3 or so years. Both of them were slow as shit (although the 8330 was worse). The device software is awful and so are most of the apps. Combine that with a low power processor and you have a device thats pretty painful to use. Its aggravating as hell to be waiting on the device to respond to something you clicked or something you typed.

12/21/2009 9:56:51 AM

not my experience at all. boots <10 sec, no typing delays., etc i don't give a shit about apps. the speed is just fine. in fact, of all my friends that have blackberries, none of us have those issues and we all enjoy them...

12/21/2009 10:00:46 AM

Unless you have actually owned/operated these phones extensively, you really should just STFU. Owning one phone, and throwing stones at another design without any operator experience is really silly. I hate annoying fan boys.

I own an Iphone, and really like it, but I cant really compare it to droid because I havent used a droid. I will make the statement that having an iphone as my next phone is NOT a foregone conclusion.

There is a feature the iphone still doesnt have, that I will be looking for in my next phone, and that is the ability to record phone calls. I consider that basic functionality that has been on the last few phones I have had (years previous).

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2009 10:02:41 AM

After owning an iPhone for about 6 months now, I can safely say that I have absolutely no interest in having another one once my contract expires.

I've never used such an intentionally gimped (for no apparent reason) piece of hardware before in my life.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 10:22 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2009 10:22:34 AM

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"not my experience at all. boots <10 sec"

ha. I'm calling bullshit on that one. If you just power the phone off, it may only take a little while but if you have to pull the battery (which is pretty much guaranteed) it's going to take 2-5min+ to restart since it has to run through everything before it boots up. In blackberries defense the Pre isn't any better in this area either. When I originally got the storm in February, it'd take 5min or so after a battery pull but 5.0 has gotten it down to about 2 minutes and the memory management is much better so I rarely need to pull the battery.

I wouldn't say a blackberry is worthless without BES but you're going to have everyone laughing at you when you don't have email or internet because RIM fucked up again. It's also funny how a lot of blackberry owners look to leaked OS's like it's christmas. I probably would've jumped off a bridge if I wouldn't have been continuously upgrading to leaks on my Storm. They've made the phone a lot more usable but it took them a year to get there. seriously? I honestly can't think of one reason why a regular consumer would buy a blackberry over any of it's competitors(iphone, pre or droids). Only feature you're really missing is BBM.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 10:40 AM. Reason : ]

12/21/2009 10:35:45 AM

no bullshitting, but that was from full power off

10 sec from full power off
94 sec from battery pull

I've only experienced one major RIM issue when I went without internet, other than that, I haven't had any real issues at all (at least none that I have noticed, and I constantly check my phone). so I'm not sure about everyone laughing at me, in fact, I laugh at other people because I've had service everywhere... and others haven't. I don't go for leaked OSs... mine works just fine and when an update is available, I update. Now the Storm was pretty much a POS to start off with. and I like BBs for the email, BBM, keyboard, and the very few apps I use. I've played with a storm, iphone, and droid... they're all nice and have their pro's and con's, and honestly, I may get one of those in the next year, just as a change of pace. However, the 8330 has been a solid phone for me for years.

12/21/2009 10:48:19 AM

ha, just for shits and giggles I pulled the battery on 3 of the 5 blackberries in front of me. From a cold boot to being usable, I got:
Sprint 8330- 2:05
Sprint 8830- 2:15
Verizon 9530- 2:45

Need to go steal a pre now. Those things take forever to come back up.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 11:00 AM. Reason : ]

12/21/2009 10:57:23 AM

mine only takes that long after an update. I'm imagining that the amount of memory used must have affect the boot time - do those have a lot of stuff on them?

12/21/2009 11:00:38 AM

The first 2 have been wiped clean and have no 3rd party apps. The 8830 is inactive and not on a line and the 8330 is just a spare we have for bid days. Both boot with around 46megs available. The Storm is my personal phone with about 10 apps and boots with 30megs.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 11:05 AM. Reason : ]

12/21/2009 11:04:49 AM

interesting. well I don't know why they're so different then.

apparently I don't know how to read clocks... I just pulled it twice and got 1:57 & 1:59



[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2009 11:08:02 AM

There's a very clear speed difference between the 3G and the 3GS in rendering web pages, particularly if they're graphics heavy. I want to want a Droid, and was sure I'd get one until I spent some time with one. I'd say it's much faster than all previous iPhones, though a bit slower than the 3GS from my perspective. I do use data while on a voice call all the time though, and as much as I don't like AT/T as a company, that's one of the key features I'm not keen on giving up. Next year the decision should be harder to make with (hopefully) the ability to take the next iPhone on Verizon's network and vice versa...

12/21/2009 1:05:34 PM

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"apparently blackberry charges $30 for email now.... if that's a mandatory fee, it's a deal breaker for me"

You brought this BS up in some other thread-and were corrected. Why do you keep saying that? Do you have some brochure from 2006?

12/21/2009 1:23:40 PM

Guess he wants to stay with a little flip phone. Cause any smartphone today is gonna cost you extra for the data.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2009 1:29:20 PM

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"I like my iphone, but itunes is still a huge piece of shit"

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in terms of hardware, apple won't be outmatched for a while. but droid has my attention right now squarely for development.

12/21/2009 1:36:44 PM

what is wrong with itunes? i've never had a problem with it.

12/21/2009 1:37:58 PM

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"You brought this BS up in some other thread-and were corrected. Why do you keep saying that? Do you have some brochure from 2006?"

hey jackass, you are the only one that said there wasn't a charge. someone else posted that they were charged the extra $30 and so did my coworker.... maybe it's not true for all carriers or maybe someone is being lied to... but I have 2 votes saying there is a charge, versus your claim.

12/21/2009 1:42:16 PM

Yeah, all major carriers are going to charge you extra for a smartphone now. It's not just limited to blackberry.

12/21/2009 1:55:36 PM

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"I haven't had any real issues at all (at least none that I have noticed, and I constantly check my phone)."

So did you just completely miss the nationwide (worldwide?) email outage on Thursday? Never mind blackberry's horrible UI, the fact that you can't have email without going through their stupid BIS crap should be a deal breaker for just about anyone

12/21/2009 2:53:36 PM

maybe, I was in the field on not on my phone

12/21/2009 3:03:48 PM

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"what is wrong with itunes? i've never had a problem with it."

yeh there seems to be 2 camps on that POS. you either are fine with it, or you hate it and want to drive to 101 infinite loop and murder every apple employee in cold blood.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM. Reason : 3]

12/21/2009 3:45:18 PM

why though? what's wrong with it?

12/21/2009 3:45:50 PM

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"what is wrong with itunes? i've never had a problem with it."

Cant speak for him, but I completely agree. It is the most bloating POS software ever used in mass on an intel platform. They dont even try to optimize it for Windows users. It is super slow and hogs CPU.

Its Apple's way of saying, "Thank you so much for using our software, buying an iphone/ipod, and buying our music, but go FUCK YOURSELF FOR RUNNING WINDOWS"

12/21/2009 3:47:03 PM

I mean the software itself is slow as shit and the interface sucks. (Funny thing about why its slow, it constantly checks for debuggers and detaches them if found) Plus the way they handle the library. Lets say I put music on my iphone at home, now i want to transfer it from my phone to my comp at work. Cant do it with itunes. They dont want you moving your own music around. You have to wipe the device and sync whats on your work comp. Lets say I have a song at work I dont have at home. i want to put it on my iphone. Itunes decides since my phone is paired with my comp at home, if i want to add any music from my work comp i have to wipe it and then sync that single song.

I mean compare that shit to the zune. The zune software is 1000000x better than itunes at just being a media player and store. It also makes sync much easier. But the best thing is the zune is an external disk drive so you can just copy stuff willy nilly to it from explorer. So creating a 3rd party tool is braindead easy if you wanted to. Its kind of funny because itunes is such a piece of shit and everyone wants to come up with 3rd party tools, but apple always shuts them down. The Zune software is way better to the point where everyone would use it anyway rendering the fact that its simple to do a 3rd party tool moot.

The iPhone itself is pretty damned good, but itunes + the restrictions on media + the lack of open development are kind of a pain. I really wish Ballmer would get his head out of his ass and do up a zune phone. Replace windows mobile with an embeded NT (like 360) w/ full .net and directx support.

12/21/2009 4:38:58 PM

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"why though? what's wrong with it?"

i dont have time to read what they wrote up there ^, but i'll put it this way...

have you ever used IE for a while and then suddenly switched to google chrome?

for me, itunes is like IE, but 10000x worse. something way better could be designed... if i need to explain WHAT that is. then you are already hooked and no point in arguing it out.

12/21/2009 4:50:38 PM

say what you want about iTunes' performance...but the UI is great and thats partially one of the main reasons I use it.

After using Zune Marketplace, I find their UI too over the top. They tried too hard and now its just a mess. Not the whole UI, there are still parts of it i like.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 6:49 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2009 6:49:10 PM

^ i heard you had an Apple tattoo, is that true?

12/21/2009 7:16:11 PM

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"say what you want about iTunes' performance...but the UI is great and thats partially one of the main reasons I use it."

The UI is just as slow and buggy as the rest of the software. And really, what's the point of having a piece of software the (debatably) has a nice UI when it crashes constantly?

"Well thank god I got to see that nicely drop shadowed play button right before it crashed while trying to get Genius results."

12/21/2009 9:35:51 PM

yeah itunes is an utter piece of shit that apple should be ashamed of on windows.

[Edited on December 21, 2009 at 9:45 PM. Reason : although i barely use it so whatever]

12/21/2009 9:45:49 PM

set 'em up

12/21/2009 9:55:35 PM