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"You people really have no clue what it truely means to be married. When you are married you have an agreement between the two individuals and God. You don't get married to have your relationship "blessed", you get married to make an eternal promise to God to be true to your spouse. Ever wonder why the divorce rate and such is so high in today's society, it is in direct relations to people not understanding the true meaning of marriage a society with dying morality."

LOLOLOL post of the year so far

you people

1/11/2010 11:39:39 AM

I'm at the point where I really can't believe a majority of Americans can't accept the argument for gay marriage. I know they don't-- I just can't wrap my head around it.

Then I read the comments on Fox's website for an article covering the legal challenge to the ban in California.

1/11/2010 12:05:51 PM

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"I think a word other than "marriage" should be used to define it because of the roots of the word marriage in religion but I think they should enjoy all the same rights, privledges, laws and consequences of it."

as other people have already mentioned, "marriage" is not a religious term

the term and ceremony predate Christian religion completely

it's ridiculous to attempt to protect the word for its "religious meaning" when it didn't have one to begin with

Greeks and Romans could marry, but apparently they should not have called it that because Christians would come along and try to claim the word as solely their own when another group wants to use the word for the exact same thing

[Edited on January 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM. Reason : that semantic argument is bullshit: it should be gay marriage, so call it by its correct name]

1/11/2010 12:22:31 PM

if you want to talk about Greeks and Romans, fine. you are 100% correct.

However, I am trying to talk about reality. In our reality, the reality of the United States, marriage is a religious institution. While marriage existed long before Christianity, it doesnt change the fact it has been adopted by the majority of religious peoples in our country as being "theirs."

Again, you can beat your head against the wall and lose public votes, or you can change the word you are trying to use and win equal rights.

1/11/2010 5:36:18 PM

Horse shit. IF it were a semantics debate it would be over and done with. The problem is that when "civil unions" have been proposed as an alternative to "marriage" they have not granted equal protection under the law and have not granted the legal status that marriage confers.

I can assure you with great confidence that were it only about the wording the gay rights crowd would have happily taken their civil unions and shut up by now.

1/11/2010 5:39:08 PM

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"The problem is that when "civil unions" have been proposed as an alternative to "marriage" they have not granted equal protection under the law and have not granted the legal status that marriage confers."

everyone should have equal rights, no matter who they want to marry/civil union with.


for the record, I personally have no problem with the semantics. call it marriage for all I care. I am only making an observation.

1/11/2010 5:42:23 PM

I agree. I couldn't care less what kind of contractual obligations two consenting adults choose to enter into (which is all marriage is, legally). I was disagreeing with your statement that it's a semantic argument and that's why the gay marriage groups won't budge. It's just not factually accurate.

1/11/2010 5:45:50 PM

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"In our reality, the reality of the United States, marriage is a religious institution. "

Then why can marriage ceremonies be performed by public officials?

1/11/2010 6:35:00 PM

I don't understand why people can't grasp this, "separate but equal" DOES NOT WORK. We learned this several years ago.

1/11/2010 6:55:36 PM

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/divorce-rates-appear-higher-in-states.html

Divorce rate higher in states with gay marriage bans

1/12/2010 6:40:50 PM

I've got to say, the entire premise of this thread is flawed; it's attempting to apply "arguments" and "rationale" to social conservatism.

1/12/2010 6:43:03 PM

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"One of the planks of the conservative platform upon which presidential candidate John McCain ran in 2008 was his opposition to gay marriage. So imagine the surprise of the organizers of the "No H8 Campaign," which is a photo project devoted to collecting images in protest of the passage of Proposition 8, when McCain's wife Cindy volunteered to be included. “In the year since we’ve started the NOH8 Campaign, we’ve been surprised at some of the different individuals who have approached us showing their support. Few, though, have surprised us more than Cindy McCain — the wife of Senator John McCain and mother to vocal marriage equality advocate Meghan McCain. The McCains are one of the most well-known Republican families in recent history, and for Mrs. McCain to have reached out to us to offer her support truly means a lot." Currently, Proposition 8, which took away the rights of gay couples to marry in California last year, is being debated in federal court. The trial is not being broadcast, but live-acted reenactments are expected to be streamed here after each session, starting today."

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/01/cindy_mccain_joins_californias.html

[Edited on January 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2010 5:17:12 PM

It's not terribly surprising that not all families are in lockstep. John's daughter is for gay marriage, doesn't strike me as shocking that his wife could differ from her husband on this issue. I'm more surprised that John McCain opposed it actually given his tendency to act out of line with his own party.

1/21/2010 5:49:48 PM

I wonder if she is trying to take (or has in the past at all) a stance on DADT? I've seen the duct used generically for any time one feels silenced, but most often in the gay rights movement as taking a stance on Don't Ask Don't Tell because the silencing there is a lot more obvious. Whereas the No H8 is a much more direct reference to Prop 8.

1/21/2010 5:49:56 PM

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"if you want to talk about Greeks and Romans, fine. you are 100% correct. However, I am trying to talk about reality. In our reality, the reality of the United States, marriage is a religious institution. While marriage existed long before Christianity, it doesnt change the fact it has been adopted by the majority of religious peoples in our country as being "theirs.""

What kind of argument is this? "Well factually sure it's a secular term, but our religions came along and adopted it as their own so the government should respect that"

Separation of church and state? The only way I can possibly see how someone can argue that marriage is now a religious institution should then follow that argument up with, "So now that we have established that, it is clear the government shouldn't be recognizing ANY marriage whatsoever, since it's religious"

1/21/2010 5:56:47 PM

Well yes, that would be logically consistent, but you can't expect anything like logical consistency from religious kooks who oppose gay marriage.

1/21/2010 6:04:44 PM

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"The only way I can possibly see how someone can argue that marriage is now a religious institution should then follow that argument up with, "So now that we have established that, it is clear the government shouldn't be recognizing ANY marriage whatsoever, since it's religious"

Which is precisely what needs to happen.

1/21/2010 9:24:19 PM

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"I wonder if she is trying to take (or has in the past at all) a stance on DADT? I've seen the duct used generically for any time one feels silenced, but most often in the gay rights movement as taking a stance on Don't Ask Don't Tell because the silencing there is a lot more obvious. Whereas the No H8 is a much more direct reference to Prop 8."

Almost all of the photos for the NOH8 campaign have duct tape over their mouths

1/21/2010 9:36:50 PM