Epic choke job by Pitt, but we've come to expect such.

3/19/2011 9:26:55 PM

IBT Pittsburgh lost so the Big East sucks haters.

That was an awesome game. Butler is a great team, much better than their #8 seed. They shot the lights out from three point range, got some good rolls, and benefited from some borderline calls. But seriously, hats off to them, I hope they go all the way.

3/19/2011 9:28:32 PM

pffht - it's not about being BE haters - it's knowing that year in and year out (as of late) the big east has been overrated and has not delivered on what they're propped up to be in the national sports media. when you get 11 teams in, you damn well better deliver. the big east isn't

3/19/2011 10:06:46 PM

I expect to see FSU over Notre Dame tomorrow as well...

3/19/2011 10:16:34 PM

I know this is going to be a hard concept for you to grasp, so I need you to clear your mind for a second.

OK, you ready?

Maybe, just maybe, the Big East has 11 tournament worthy teams, but none that are say.... in the Top 15 teams in the nation (I do think Pitt and UConn are in the Top 15, but I am using this to illustrate a point). So thus, they all make the tournament, but none of them really perform all that well. I would label these as a bunch of A- to B teams. So while the Big East has 11 teams in this range (A- to B), the other conferences with the A teams (Duke, UNC, OSU, Kansas) win come tourney time. And all these B+ ish teams struggle against other teams of the same caliber, because let's face it, most of the teams in the NCAA are at least B- quality.

Now breathe. I know this is a lot to digest at once. I know it hurts that you cannot throw up your hands and say "Ha!!!!! - The Big East is not doing well so there for I am teh rightzorz!!!!" You are indeed still the wrongzorz. The Big East just doesn't have anyone with a realistic shot at a National Title.

3/19/2011 10:30:24 PM

Five Big East teams finished with losing records

3/19/2011 10:33:16 PM

lol whatever helps you sleep at night buddy

Jamie Dixon has made the tourney every yeah he's coached.

he's had seeds of 3, 9, 5, 3, 4, 1, 3, 1 and made the elite 8 once

3/19/2011 10:36:36 PM

So you agree then.... they deserved to make the tournament each year.

I am not arguing that they are seeded correctly. I think that pretty much every team that made it from the Big East is a 3-7 caliber team, so in many cases, they are vastly overseeded. But I don't see how you can possibly argue that any of them didn't deserve to be in the tournament.

3/19/2011 10:39:54 PM

The Big Least: Where just making the tourney is good enough

3/19/2011 10:42:58 PM

The ACC: Where having Duke and UNC in your conference makes you feel like you're in a powerhouse conference, when in fact, without these teams you're a glorified Horizon League.

3/19/2011 10:45:32 PM

To be fair FSU and Clemson won as many if not more than at least 8 of those 11 big east teams.

3/19/2011 10:51:52 PM

^^ The ACC is kinda like a "Whose Line" cast. You've got Duke (Ryan Stiles), UNC (Colin Mochrie), most of the time, but not always, Maryland (Wayne Brady) and a rotating fourth castmember.

3/19/2011 11:10:29 PM

Seriously dude, get off the Big East's dick.

ACC has 12 members.
Big East has 16 members.

ACC has 12 National Championships. Since Big East was created, we have 10. Take out Duke/UNC, we have 3.
Big East has 10 National Championships. Take out when they weren't Big East members, they have 5. Take out their top 2 holders (Syracuse, UConn), they have 2.

ACC has 41 Final Fours total. 28 since the creation of the Big East. 9 removing Duke and UNC.
Big East has 16 Final Fours total. Remove, for consistency, Syrcause and UConn, they have 9.

Horizon has 0 National Championships, and 1 Final Four.

You are hyping the Big East way too much, and making out the ACC as worse than it is.

3/19/2011 11:23:37 PM

man the butthurt big east defenders are in defense mode big time here. face facts guys. your conference choked last year and they choked this year. call us when you get another melo (not a fat one) or calhoun is able to pay recruits again

i also like the "unc and duke" argument considering acc football always gets called out for never having a team like that

basically you gotta be the SEC in football or you suck balls

3/19/2011 11:30:11 PM

Oh yeah, FeebleMinded, about your RPI argument

http://statsheet.com/mcb/rankings/RPI/2004-03-16

2003-04 ACC had no teams outside of 91, all but one in the top 55, and 6 of 9 in the top 21.

[Edited on March 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM. Reason : fixed]

3/20/2011 9:42:06 AM

I would say that ACC was better top to bottom easily. Of course the argument can be twisted that you guys always use and say it's a hell of a lot easier to be better top to bottom with 9 teams as opposed to 16.

I still think, and mostly all regular season and preseason tournament evidence points to it, that the Big East was the best conference all season long. But obviously not as good as I or many other media pundits thought.

Still they'll likely have three Sweet 16 teams and one or two Elite 8 teams.

^^ dumb post. What players did Calhoun "pay" in '99 or '04. Maggette played for Duke.

[Edited on March 20, 2011 at 9:46 AM. Reason : they need to start calling games tighter in conference -- hurts teams in ncaas]

3/20/2011 9:43:50 AM

Quote :

"Maybe, just maybe, the Big East has 11 tournament worthy teams, but none that are say.... in the Top 15 teams in the nation (I do think Pitt and UConn are in the Top 15, but I am using this to illustrate a point). So thus, they all make the tournament, but none of them really perform all that well. I would label these as a bunch of A- to B teams. So while the Big East has 11 teams in this range (A- to B), the other conferences with the A teams (Duke, UNC, OSU, Kansas) win come tourney time. And all these B+ ish teams struggle against other teams of the same caliber, because let's face it, most of the teams in the NCAA are at least B- quality."

You follow this line of argument and I guess ACC football is pretty damn good. We have a bunch of shitty teams that just barely qualify for bowls just like the big least has a bunch of mediocre basketball teams that go to the dance. The only difference is the media knob slobbing that overvalues these big least teams and seeds them favorably.
You could also argue that without the "A teams" the other ACC teams would have better records. In other words it would be easier for shitty basketball teams to end up in the tournament.

3/20/2011 10:31:40 AM

Except the Big East has won 3 national titles the last dozen years. The ACC is like 2-11 in BCS bowl games. The best Big East teams have been far better than the best ACC football teams the past dozen years and it's not really close.

And the best ACC has struggled OOC regular season while the best Big East teams have generally been the best in the country OOC.

[Edited on March 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM. Reason : x]

3/20/2011 10:41:53 AM

UConn410 defending the BIG BEAST is less surprising than PackPride thinking we're getting Rick Barnes

[Edited on March 20, 2011 at 11:06 AM. Reason : looked dumber than I thought it would]

3/20/2011 11:05:40 AM

I've already admitted I overrated it today, but it's a much better conference relative to ACC football. It just is.

3/20/2011 11:14:47 AM

"Much better" than ACC football? Granted, ACC football ain't great, but who do you have in the Big East?

Big East - UConn, WVU, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville, USF, Cuse, Cincy.
ACC - BC, Clemson, NCSU, FSU, Maryland, Wake, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami, Carolina, UVA, Duke

ACC football isn't as bad as people likes to say it is either. Yeah, we have some shitty teams. Yeah, we aren't as good as some other conferences. But do remember that the ACC had 4 ranked teams at the end of the season last year. And that NC State alone has beaten 3 Big East teams in the past 2 years.

3/20/2011 9:37:31 PM

Keep it up FSU

3/20/2011 10:19:09 PM

^

3/20/2011 10:25:25 PM

I still think the Big East was the best conference this year and last year and assorted years throughout the last decade

but its all about championships and they have 2 in the last 10 years, the ACC has 5

3/20/2011 10:29:16 PM

Nym I wasn't trying to say acc football was good I was just using it to point out how stupid that argument was.

3/20/2011 10:56:43 PM

^^I hope that was a joking post. Pretty clear now that Barkley was right about the Big East.

Top 2 teams beat by 8-seed Butler and 10-seed FSU.

3/20/2011 11:11:21 PM

Refs are trying their best to help nd now

3/20/2011 11:30:49 PM

I'm tired of these announcers saying that the 10 second count rule to get the ball across mid-court should be changed. It serves it's purpose and results in either a turnover or a wasted timeout. If a team has to waste a timeout, then the other team benefits toward the end of the game when timeouts are more valuable.

3/20/2011 11:35:28 PM

^^^i'm talking about throughout the regular seasons

hope you dont think my point about championships was a joke though

3/20/2011 11:36:37 PM

^^missed that...did they suggest it be shortened or lengthened?

3/20/2011 11:39:37 PM

they probably suggested that taking a timeout shouldn't restart the 10 second count

3/20/2011 11:43:57 PM

Big 10 and Big east proven to be overrated. ACC, SEC underrated.

3/20/2011 11:47:08 PM

Yeah they said that it shouldn't be restarted. I don't see what's wrong with how it is now. It's just like trying to in-bounds the ball. If you can't get it in in 5 seconds the team calls a timeout, and the count is reset.

3/20/2011 11:47:13 PM

Can we rename this "Big East Credibility Watch"?

3/20/2011 11:53:58 PM

get some

its things like FSU beating Notre Dame that make me temporarily forget that 5 of my Elite 8

fuck you Syracuse

[Edited on March 21, 2011 at 12:04 AM. Reason : .]

3/20/2011 11:59:30 PM

Big east: 11 tourney teams, 2 sweet 16 teams
ACC: 4 tourney teams, 3 sweet 16 teams


Honestly I was pulling for ND to win the championship though

3/21/2011 12:01:24 AM

Quote :

"Big east: 11 tourney teams, 2 sweet 16 teams"

if thats not evidence for the big east being overrated, i dunno what is

3/21/2011 12:03:11 AM

^^^my entire SE bracket is destroyed, mostly because of the big east

[Edited on March 21, 2011 at 12:03 AM. Reason : bhtbgvt5rb]

3/21/2011 12:03:46 AM

Don't forget that the. Big east has two sweet sixteen teams because they played other big east teams, they were guaranteed to get two

3/21/2011 12:05:57 AM

true

3/21/2011 12:07:47 AM

IMO if two big east teams even have a remote chance to play each other by the second round (third round these days) then the selection committee did a shitty job

either too many big east teams or bad matchups...i'm leaning towards too many big east teams in the tourney

3/21/2011 1:05:52 AM

Cant believe that hansbro Jr. got POY over kemba walker.


Just found that out today after assuming that kemba got it.

3/21/2011 1:28:12 AM

well i mean, they did finish like 9th in the conference or something. kinda hard to justify giving it to a player when his team went .500 in conference, even if he did deserve it

3/21/2011 1:35:08 AM

The Big East is simply too big, and it's interpreted as depth during the regular season, and then interpreted as disappointing during the tourny. Most of the schools that make the tourny from the Big East would probably just as likely make the tourny if they went back to their respective conferences before expansion. But because they're now in such a huge conference, when they lose, it looks bad on the whole. Realistically, it's hard to get 2 or 3 teams in the Sweet Sixteen regardless of conference. But when you go 2 for 11, obviously it looks bad. So, as far as basketball perception goes, it will always look like this come tournament time, and the only way to alleviate that would be to break up the conference. But they probably don't want to do that because of the money generated. So this is what we're stuck with.

3/21/2011 7:23:46 AM

Most. Overrated. Conference. Ever.

3/21/2011 7:28:02 AM

^

3/21/2011 9:35:09 AM

Huge choke by the whole league. If the committee had done their job, Villanova and Georgetown (who lost a lot more than they won in February and March) would have been left out and you wouldn't have had any Big East matchups in the round of 32... and there very well may have been zero or one Big East team in the Sweet 16.

3/21/2011 10:15:07 AM

Conference Rankings:

1. ACC
2. Big Ten
3. Big East

3/21/2011 10:44:21 AM

The city of Richmond has as many teams in the sweet sixteen as the Big East.

Quote :

"Conference Rankings: 1. ACC 2. Big Ten 3. Richmond Colleges 4. Big East"

3/21/2011 10:49:33 AM

3/21/2011 10:59:32 AM